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Default Comp picks for 2013 FA's

Alright im only fair to middling in my knowledge of the comp pick process so hoping somebody more knowledgeable will clarify this:

we've lost our 3 main FA's who all got good deals elsewhere and figure to see plenty of PT with their new teams next year. Although none of these guys are going to net us a 3rd like mario will, am i right in currently expecting three 4th/5th rounders back for them next year?

Also it also seems likely we'll sign ed reed which will most likely cause us to lose one of those picks (plus we'll prob sign at least one extra vet FA to replace barwin/cody which may or may not cause us to lose another pick)

and we still have to see what kind of deals, if any, teams sign mccain, dobbins, ball (lol jags) to

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I got this from another post on another message board

...The salary cap is same as 2009. In 2009:

3rd round comp players had signed for at least $6.5 million per season
4th rounders signed for $4.8 million to $6 million
5th rounders signed for $4 million to $5 million
6th rounders signed for $2.7 million to $3.9 million
7th rounders signed for less than $2.65 million per season.
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We are almost assured of collecting 4 picks... ranging between round 4 and 7. It appears we will lose a dozen qualifying free agents and it is highly unlikely we sign more than 8. You are right that all three so far would garner a 4th or a 5th, most likely and Reed would wipe one away. Here are others to watch for:

McCain
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Dobbins
B.James
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R.Harris
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M.Alexander
Graham
Donnie Jones
Demps

We want to end up -4 or more losing/signing free agents. And, we want ours to be signed away for more than we sign to come here. At this moment, we are at -3.
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Does Routt count?
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Does Routt count?
why not? He was signed last season and reached the end of his contract and became a free agent. It will depend upon how much he is signed away for.
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why not? He was signed last season and reached the end of his contract and became a free agent. It will depend upon how much he is signed away for.
I dunno; I figure maybe his playing time and how much we signed him for are also factors.

In another word, I doesn't seem to me like he should count at all.
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I dunno; I figure maybe his playing time and how much we signed him for are also factors.

In another word, I doesn't seem to me like he should count at all.
what matters is that he ended his contract with us. Then, the factors include how much money he signed to play with the new team and his playing time, as well as his productivity for the upcoming season.
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what matters is that he ended his contract with us. Then, the factors include how much money he signed to play with the new team and his playing time, as well as his productivity for the upcoming season.
In that case, I think he'll help.
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QUOTE=Dutchrudder;2137201]Last year the comp pick AAV ranges were:

3 - $6.5/$7 million and greater
4 - $5 to $6.5/$7 million
5 - $4 to $5 million
6 - $2.5/2.75 to $4 million
7 - $1 to $2.5/2.75 million


Glover got 4.7 a AAV
Barwin got 6 AAV
Casey got 4.833 AAV
Ball got ?
Forsett got ?

If we don't sign anyone of note, we should get a pair of 5ths and a 4th in compensation. Probably a 7th for Ball or Forsett. I imagine they didn't sign for much. It's better than nothing

And before anyone asks, Kevin Walter doesn't qualify for comp picks because he was cut, so it doesn't matter what he signs for elsewhere.[/quote]


This is some good information for this thread

I count it as a creditable source :thumbsup:
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The 4th comp pick is not guaranteed.

I believe last year, only 2 teams were awarded with a 4th pick.
You have to compete with other teams to get it.
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The 4th comp pick is not guaranteed.

I believe last year, only 2 teams were awarded with a 4th pick.
You have to compete with other teams to get it.

There is not "competition" for the comp picks. Not very many teams have the gap of four qualified palyers leaving to four qualified players signed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...dure_and_rules
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There is not "competition" for the comp picks. Not very many teams have the gap of four qualified palyers leaving to four qualified players signed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...dure_and_rules
I was using that term very loosely just to say that it's not automatic (theoretically), but I agree that there aren't that many teams that qualify.

But who knows, there might be a few teams that gut itself to build for the long term.
Let's say the Eagles and the Ravens decide to save their cap to roll over next year, they would be "competing" with the Texans for the 4th comp picks.
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I was using that term very loosely just to say that it's not automatic (theoretically), but I agree that there aren't that many teams that qualify.

But who knows, there might be a few teams that gut itself to build for the long term.
Let's say the Eagles and the Ravens decide to save their cap to roll over next year, they would be "competing" with the Texans for the 4th comp picks.
You don't know the compensatory rules. You are trying to spin and twist a previously wrong post and have just made a more wrong post.
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You don't know the compensatory rules. You are trying to spin and twist a previously wrong post and have just made a more wrong post.
Can you explain it, please?
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Can you explain it, please?
He provided a wiki link with a pretty good explanation.

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In addition to the 32 selections in each of the seven rounds, a total of 32 compensatory picks are awarded to teams that have lost more or better compensatory free agents than they signed in the previous year.[58] Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick. awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7


If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").
Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.
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OK, so we know the NFL award a maximum 32 comp picks each year.

For the sake of simplicity, let's say there are 14 teams that somehow lose 2 more qualifying players than they sign. And let's say they are all at higher level of losses such that those 14 teams are awarded 28 comp picks total.

There are 4 possible comp picks left.

The Texans lose 4, sign 1
The Jets lose 4, sign 1
The Eagles lose 4, sign 1


How many comp picks do each of these 3 teams get?

There's a complex formula with different criteria which we don't know for sure which is more prevalent.

The Texans may have a bigger burden financially with the contracts originally.

But the Jets have a couple of players injured and didn't play much.

Same thing with the Eagles.

The Texans have all those players start all 16 games.

Who gets how many comp picks?

I know I stretch it, but in theory, there's no guarantee at first sight.
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OK, so we know the NFL award a maximum 32 comp picks each year.

For the sake of simplicity, let's say there are 14 teams that somehow lose 2 more qualifying players than they sign. And let's say they are all at higher level of losses such that those 14 teams are awarded 28 comp picks total.

There are 4 possible comp picks left.

The Texans lose 4, sign 1
The Jets lose 4, sign 1
The Eagles lose 4, sign 1


How many comp picks do each of these 3 teams get?
The 14 teams that lose a net 2 would not supersede the 3 teams that lose net 3. So your premise is off. What would likely happen is the teams that lost the top 32 players in terms of largest contract amounts/year would get the comp picks. In your scenario, the players who signed for lowest 5 contracts/year would not be compensated for.
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The 14 teams that lose a net 2 would not supersede the 3 teams that lose net 3. So your premise is off. What would likely happen is the teams that lost the top 32 players in terms of largest contract amounts/year would get the comp picks. In your scenario, the players who signed for lowest 5 contracts/year would not be compensated for.
I have already assumed that the first 28 comp picks were due to highest difference in qualifying players. That premise is solid.

Just concentrate on the remaining 3 teams.
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And then there's a matter of this:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...s-to-15-teams/

Looks like the Rams and the Colts each got a comp pick last year because they sucked and "not based on the formula".
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Looks like the Rams and the Colts each got a comp pick last year because they sucked and "not based on the formula".
Did you read the 2nd paragraph of the linked quote?
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