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Old 03-15-2013   #161
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Do the Broncos take a cap hit for cutting him? If they do, it would make them less likely to want to sign him for the deal they had agreed on due to cap implications.
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Do the Broncos take a cap hit for cutting him? If they do, it would make them less likely to want to sign him for the deal they had agreed on due to cap implications.
Yeah, that's what they are saying:

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"@greggrosenthal Dumervil release creates $4.87M in dead money per @MaseDenver" Ouch. Will be tough to re-sign him

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Costly error. RT @adbrandt Dumervil, if cut, will not be resigned, makes no sense. Team will take a big hit on dead money upon release.
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Yeah, that's what they are saying:

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"@greggrosenthal Dumervil release creates $4.87M in dead money per @MaseDenver" Ouch. Will be tough to re-sign him

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Costly error. RT @adbrandt Dumervil, if cut, will not be resigned, makes no sense. Team will take a big hit on dead money upon release.
Ha, I bet Elway's rip-snortin pissed off.
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It's not Elway's fault, the agent didn't return the signed fax in time for submission. Actually it was smart of Elway to release him 1 minute before the deadline because he protected the team. Take the 4m cap hit instead of committing 12m guaranteed.

Elvis will find a new team where he can be the main man in the pass rush. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he left to avoid fighting with Von over sacks. In any case, if he ends up anywhere but the Patriots, it's good for the Texans. Weakening the Broncos is good for us
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Do the Texans have enough capspace to sign Dumervil?

I would suspect we are still twirling our thumbs waiting on Ed Reed fiasco to end.
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It's not Elway's fault, the agent didn't return the signed fax in time for submission. Actually it was smart of Elway to release him 1 minute before the deadline because he protected the team. Take the 4m cap hit instead of committing 12m guaranteed.

Elvis will find a new team where he can be the main man in the pass rush. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he left to avoid fighting with Von over sacks. In any case, if he ends up anywhere but the Patriots, it's good for the Texans. Weakening the Broncos is good for us
It doesn't matter.
Elway still looks incompetent, doesn't he?
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It doesn't matter.
Elway still looks incompetent, doesn't he?
How does he look incompetent? They agreed to a salary reduction around 1:30 and didn't get the signed contract back from the agent before 1:59. He can't force the guy to send them the contract or make up a fictitious one. It was either take the paycut or get cut. Dumerville's agent is the one at fault here, though it might have been intentional in an attempt to get that 12m guarantee to kick in at 2pm.
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Elway still looks incompetent, doesn't he?
No. They would've taken a cap hit either way. Now, they're off the hook of guaranteeing a 12m salary.

No way Dumerville can get 8 mill in this market now. So really, Dumerville and co. should look incompetent
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Alan Ball going to the hags too

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No. They would've taken a cap hit either way. Now, they're off the hook of guaranteeing a 12m salary.

No way Dumerville can get 8 mill in this market now. So really, Dumerville and co. should look incompetent
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him get 5 years 40 million with a 10-12m signing bonus. He will get paid if he goes elsewhere, there are a lot of teams with capspace that need pass rushers. The Colts, Browns, Jags, Packers, Vikes, Bengals all have plenty of space left. Several of those teams could really use a pass rusher. Elvis can play 43 DE or 34 OLB, so I think he will have a good market.
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No. They would've taken a cap hit either way. Now, they're off the hook of guaranteeing a 12m salary.

No way Dumerville can get 8 mill in this market now. So really, Dumerville and co. should look incompetent
They were supposed to get the salary reduced to $8M; now they don't have a pass rusher.

I would have my guy at the agent's office to get the signature and not wait for a fax.
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Pardon me, but did this error happen because the agent didn't file in time or because Broncos didn't file in time?
If I'm not mistaken, I think the Broncos couldn't file in time because the agent didn't get the paperwork to them in time.
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Pardon me, but did this error happen because the agent didn't file in time or because Broncos didn't file in time?
All the reports are saying it's because the agent didn't fax the signed contract to the team in time for them to send it to the league office. It's on the agent and Elvis. Elway made the tough call to release him to protect the team, great move on his part.
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All the reports are saying it's because the agent didn't fax the signed contract to the team in time for them to send it to the league office. It's on the agent and Elvis. Elway made the tough call to release him to protect the team, great move on his part.
Great move? I think I will have to disagree. They had to cut the loss; that's all they did.

A great move would have been to get all the paperwork to the league office on time. All he had to do is to have one of his guys there to get the signature and do the faxing instead of relying on the agent.

It was an honest mistake, but they still lost nearly $5M in cap space for nothing but wasted time and agony.
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All the reports are saying it's because the agent didn't fax the signed contract to the team in time for them to send it to the league office. It's on the agent and Elvis. Elway made the tough call to release him to protect the team, great move on his part.
Curious timing, isn't it?

Ed Reed leaves without contract...Elvis' agent misses a deadline...since when does an agent commit that level of error, with that level of client?

We had a house on market, guy puts contract on it after we agreed to lower our price by $4,000. His contract, though, contained 24 items for us to repair. Ouch for us! That same day, a surprise buyer offers us FULL PRICE, in cash, says he doesn't want anything fixed, and he'll pay all fees. We played it cool, had our agent tell the a-hole buyer that we would not fix not even the cheapest, easiest item on his list.

That buyer was so insulted, he did not convert his contract into full purchase. He withdrew. We made out like bandits at the expense of his arrogance/pride.

So, this is a long shot explanation as to why maybe the contract wasn't sent in time. A clerical error looks better than a player and agent giving big middle finger to Elway and the Cult he's got going on in Denver now.

Meanwhile, Wade and Rick get buzz of the chances of getting a damn fine LINEBACKER (Bye, Carwin, hello Elvis!) so we stick to our guns in Ed, knowing Ed and his advisors will stumble over small issues just like my first buyer did.

That's be giving wayyyyy much credit to the savvy nature that Rick has been warning here (or being disdained for?) but hey, in the land of NFL free agency, what exactly IS real and what's spin???
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If I'm not mistaken, I think the Broncos couldn't file in time because the agent didn't get the paperwork to them in time.
Tell me, what agent fails to get a contract to a team "in time"?

One who might be getting word of other opportunities. Just cannot see how an agent could let that happen in real life.

Unless his agent is a family member?
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