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Old 03-14-2013   #141
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But those are the kinds of things that need to happen to win SB's these days..rare do teams dominate from start to finish these days...the last team i remember like that was probably one of those 90's cowboys teams.
Exactly- I was being sarcastic but for all the regular season domination by teams in the 2000's, rarely did that reg seas domination reslut in a SB win.

Just look at Denver this year
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Please excuse my cynicism, but usually when there is a "high profile" player being wined and dined (even a 34 y/o), I always get the feeling that the Texans too often are being used as a red carpet............to another team......ala, leverage.
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Yeah, they were 10-6 in regular season, a 4th and 29 in Sandiego away from collapsing, a 70 yd bomb lucky in Denver, and a non called DPI in the SB away from failure....
I think he's being facetious. At least I hope he is.

Your criticisms of Reed remind me of when Mario Williams left for Buffalo, and Texans fans and opinion writers offered Buffalo fans some "buyer beware" warnings. Buffalo fans interpreted it as sour grapes. Houston analyst Lance Zierlein had a point-by-point article about Mario that reminds me a lot of your post. As fans of the team inheriting a player that you have followed closely for many years, I think it's best that we weigh those criticisms heavily when we set our expectations.
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Please excuse my cynicism, but usually when there is a "high profile" player being wined and dined (even a 34 y/o), I always get the feeling that the Texans too often are being used as a red carpet............to another team......ala, leverage.
I just don't see McNair on his dime flying Rick Smith on his personal jet unless they already offered a contract and Reed accepted it.
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I think he's being facetious. At least I hope he is.

Your criticisms of Reed remind me of when Mario Williams left for Buffalo, and Texans fans and opinion writers offered Buffalo fans some "buyer beware" warnings. Buffalo fans interpreted it as sour grapes. Houston analyst Lance Zierlein had a point-by-point article about Mario that reminds me a lot of your post. As fans of the team inheriting a player that you have followed closely for many years, I think it's best that we weigh those criticisms heavily when we set our expectations.
Yes I was.

I absolutley love Ed Reed- but he is past his prime. I like Ray LEwis but got sick of hearing how great he was, etc., when I am watching TE's run away from him across the middle, OL destroy him 4-6yds into the second level, and him celebrating a tackle after a 7-8 yd gain.

Ed did the same when he didn't guess wrong- for a long time he was our offense 03-05, blocking kicks for TDs, strip sackss for TDs, INT returns fo TDs, punt returns for TDs, etc....

But he is a freelance artist who cannot wrap up anymore. How many time this year I saw him backpedaling, running backwards, trying to throw a guy down by his shoulder pads or hold him up til a LB caught up and tackled the guy.

Mario Williams came to mind also.

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Please excuse my cynicism, but usually when there is a "high profile" player being wined and dined (even a 34 y/o), I always get the feeling that the Texans too often are being used as a red carpet............to another team......ala, leverage.
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Yes I was.

I absolutley love Ed Reed- but he is past his prime. I like Ray LEwis but got sick of hearing how great he was, etc., when I am watching TE's run away from him across the middle, OL destroy him 4-6yds into the second level, and him celebrating a tackle after a 7-8 yd gain.

Ed did the same when he didn't guess wrong- for a long time he was our offense 03-05, blocking kicks for TDs, strip sackss for TDs, INT returns fo TDs, punt returns for TDs, etc....

But he is a freelance artist who cannot wrap up anymore. How many time this year I saw him backpedaling, running backwards, trying to throw a guy down by his shoulder pads or hold him up til a LB caught up and tackled the guy.

Mario Williams came to mind also.

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Here's the problem with that comparison. We're not committing $100 million to get Reed, and I'm pretty sure his replacement will be drafted this year. Buffalo thought they were getting an all world sack specialist who's a freak athleticly and gives his all on every play.

While we'll be excited to have the quality of Reed's resume on our team, we kind of understand what we're getting. A guy looking to close out his career with one last run or 2.
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Ed Reed is one of my all-time favorite players, and probably one of the top two safeties to play this game in my lifetime (Ronnie Lott the other). But the guy is done. The guy is Ahman Green all over again. Still, I'd rather have Ed Reed than Shiloh Keo or Troy Nolan for depth and spot play. Use him sparingly and keep him healthy for the playoffs. The only way that works is if he's paid accordingly, and as I said in another thread, I actually do NOT trust the front office.
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Coachspeak- thats some serious bullshart right there.

Jared Gaither was his first example. Other guys left as soon as they could in FA. Ellerbe was in Harb's ''doghouse'' all last year, starts this year, gets big FA deal in Miami, McKinnie on the bench this year, Pollard release, etc...more examples...
Or, it could be...

Ozzie drafts well and poorer run teams overpay to harvest players from the Ravens, and

Jerad Gaither got paid and has started 9 games since leaving after '09 season .... and McKinnie is still a slimeball wannabe rap producing underperformer who Harbaugh showed remarkable patience with after he took the $500,000 bonus while showing up late & overweight .... and Reed is old & Pollard is one dimensional (see SB).
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I just don't see McNair on his dime flying Rick Smith on his personal jet unless they already offered a contract and Reed accepted it.
Wouldn't go that far, the Texans are pretty desperate to fill the Quinn void.

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History has made me somewhat cynical..........but not to the point that I still don't continue to hope for good things to happen.
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For the long-term obviously any team would prefer a 27-year-old Quin over a 34-year-old Reed if they have the cap resources to execute the deal. So for the very short-term I don't care if Reed is a stop-gap solution to Quin's departure as long as the Reed acquisition dosen't create any adverse cap implications beyond the current NFL Fiscal Year.
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Here's the problem with that comparison. We're not committing $100 million to get Reed, and I'm pretty sure his replacement will be drafted this year. Buffalo thought they were getting an all world sack specialist who's a freak athleticly and gives his all on every play.

While we'll be excited to have the quality of Reed's resume on our team, we kind of understand what we're getting. A guy looking to close out his career with one last run or 2.
He's closer to the back end than the front end...
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Or, it could be...

Ozzie drafts well and poorer run teams overpay to harvest players from the Ravens, and

Jerad Gaither got paid and has started 9 games since leaving after '09 season .... and McKinnie is still a slimeball wannabe rap producing underperformer who Harbaugh showed remarkable patience with after he took the $500,000 bonus while showing up late & overweight .... and Reed is old & Pollard is one dimensional (see SB).
The saga with gaither started when the ravens drafted the Blind Side M Oher. gaiother was making min salary at LT, Oher 1st rd LT pick money at RT ; Harbaugh switched them (even after Gaither being named in thetop 10 LT's) and Gaither suddenly developed a back injury, was cut a year later.

McKinnie was brought in as insurance; he paid off when Oher was exposed as a LT; McKinnie shut down some of the best pass rushers in the game when he finally got into the lineup- Giants, Freeney, Mathis, Dumervil, Von Miller, Aldon Smith, etc.....
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That may be true, but I guarantee you Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, & the great Joe Flacco would rather see Demps between Kj & Jj than Ed Reed.
The point was our worst S who we benched for poor decisions rated ahead of Reed.
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He's closer to the back end than the front end...
Fair or not though...... contracts set expectations and Reed's won't be anywhere close to Mario's so its a pretty ridiculous comparison when that's considered. I think the Texans are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. A guy motivated to prove his doubters wrong and show he can still play. If you read through this thread not many people are expecting the Reed of old though so comparing him to Mario doesn't make sense from this standpoint.
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Thje point was our worst S who we benched for poor decisions rated ahead of Reed.
Ravens defense was very bad for much of the year. Ngata was hurt. Webb was IR'd. Lewis and Suggs missed much of the year...

What Reed can still do is ballhawk and make plays in centerfield. With the pressure our front 7 gets on QBs, Reed will have lots of playmaking opportunities. I think this is the point. Quin is solid. However, he doesn't fit the makeup of their high pressure, big play defense... At $1 million per year, he was an asset. However, they can't spend $5 million a year on a non-playmaker at safety and also spend all the money they plan to in the front 7 (Cushing, Watt, A.Smith, Mercilus, Reed, Barwin or replacement)
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Ravens defense was very bad for much of the year. Ngata was hurt. Webb was IR'd. Lewis and Suggs missed much of the year...

What Reed can still do is ballhawk and make plays in centerfield. With the pressure our front 7 gets on QBs, Reed will have lots of playmaking opportunities. I think this is the point. Quin is solid. However, he doesn't fit the makeup of their high pressure, big play defense... At $1 million per year, he was an asset. However, they can't spend $5 million a year on a non-playmaker at safety and also spend all the money they plan to in the front 7 (Cushing, Watt, A.Smith, Mercilus, Reed, Barwin or replacement)
What pressure? That was our biggest problem. When your DE in a 3/4 is your leading sacker you have problems.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this, other than to trust Wade.....for now
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Ed Reed is one of my all-time favorite players, and probably one of the top two safeties to play this game in my lifetime (Ronnie Lott the other). But the guy is done. The guy is Ahman Green all over again. Still, I'd rather have Ed Reed than Shiloh Keo or Troy Nolan for depth and spot play. Use him sparingly and keep him healthy for the playoffs. The only way that works is if he's paid accordingly, and as I said in another thread, I actually do NOT trust the front office.
This is where I'm at, as well.

I've got mixed feelings. I saw the ticker on NFLN last night and I was instantly stoked. It's Ed freakin' Reed for crying out loud!

But, then the other side hit me. We are probably being used as leverage. And if he does sign, will Wade vary his offense to meet the talent? Or will he make the talent fit the system, which might not be the players' strengths? Like Vinny mentioned, this is a man coverage defense, and Reed has been in a cover 2.

I like his veteran presence and leadership that he'd bring, but with age and probably injury, plus diminishing skills, I'm seeing this as a temporary patch as much as anything else.

That said, I won't be unhappy if we sign him.
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I like Ed Reed but this move is simply a desperate move and a move to appease the fans base. They badly miscalculated on Quin.
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