Reasonable price for Barwin? *UPDATE* Signed by Eagles

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by tru80texan

And once again, by your sites own admission the rating does not tell the whole story. I'm a big stats guy myself & believe for the most part the numbers do tell the story, BUT in this case I have a very hard time believing players such as Nading & Victor Butler are ranked higher then the likes of Van den Boche( I'm pretty sure I spelled that wrong...sorry), Cliff Avril, & yes Barwin. That rating system seems a bit skewed to say the least because I would take the latter 3 over Nading.

I don't endorse PFF, but I have to admit they are not the worst site out there.
They have improved their grading over the years.
There are still instances when I don't agree (mainly when they can only guess what a particular player was supposed to do on any given play,) but at the very least, they attempt to "grade" the players on every snap and record the grades.

Obviously, with a guy like Nading and all of his 22 snaps, you just have to disregard him altogether.

VB played as a sub and so you have to take that into consideration.

I think Vandebosch has been injured off and on for the last few years; it's not surprising that his plays tailed off.

[HOU-TEX]

Wonder what offers will be

Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora

At least three teamsd vying for the services of Texans pass rusher Connor Barwin. Likely next man up after Avril/Kruger ...

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Wonder what offers will be

If Barwin's gone, I feel bad for Cody.

Bad enough he's going to lose his best friend..... but he'll probably lose his job as well.





Edit: on second thoughts, no I don't feel sorry for him.

[Mr teX]

based on what he's done thus far in his career, i'd say 2M...

[IDEXAN]

Paul Krueger just got 40 M for 5 years with the Browns (don't know the guaranteed number ?). While Barwin won't get that kind of money, just 2/3 of that is > 5 M a year.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by IDEXAN

Paul Krueger just got 40 M for 5 years with the Browns (don't know the guaranteed number ?). While Barwin won't get that kind of money, just 2/3 of that is > 5 M a year.

Why I think Barwin is a gonner.
Hey, but at least Kruger's deal will leave less money on the table for the next guy.

[Goldensilence]

His production fall off this last year was really significant. Though he's got the athleticism to play OLB when his weight is down.

I'd be hard pressed to pay over 3 mil a year considering we have bigger concerns at WR and safety.

Perhaps I am the only one who did start to see some flashes from Merciless when he got more PT? Can he hold it down as as a starter yet? It's a gamble. But this team can't afford to overpay Barwin.

[thunderkyss]

According to our poll, we have 82 votes for a total of $264M dollars. Averages to $3.2M/yr. That sounds about right to me. If we weren't so cap strapped, or if we could free up an extra couple mil without hurting our future I'd be okay with a 1 year $5M contract for Connor to try & raise his stock, I'd be extremely clear that he would be playing the SOLB position though. Meaning to be seen as the pass rusher he wants to be seen as he'd need to count for 8-12 sacks (along with the pressures & hurries that go along with that).... or if he wants to be seen as a premier OLB, 5-8 sacks along with a strong contribution to pass defense (& there are several numbers that could be used here to determine that, PDs, INTs, opposing QBR, etc...)

I want to do this, so I can move Brooks to ILB, then I'm only having to worry about drafting a pass rushing specialist that I can get in later rounds. I'm looking for a rotational player to rotate with Merci/Barwin/Braman, someone who can get 5 sacks playing spot duty. If this guy, or Braman, challenges Merci for the starting job at WOLB (either through stellar play by them, or disappointing play from Merci) we'll be in fine shape.

But I'm convinced, while Barwin & Reed are damn fine football players, they are not pass rushers. If Barwin does not stay, I need an ILB & a pass rusher.

Originally Posted by Goldensilence

His production fall off this last year was really significant. Though he's got the athleticism to play OLB when his weight is down.

I'd be hard pressed to pay over 3 mil a year considering we have bigger concerns at WR and safety.

Perhaps I am the only one who did start to see some flashes from Merciless when he got more PT? Can he hold it down as as a starter yet? It's a gamble. But this team can't afford to overpay Barwin.

I may be the last delusional fan that thinks our window is still open. With Cushing coming back & hopefully a healthy Jjo, I think our defense will be good enough to go all the way. With the NFL shaping up the way it is, I don't think we'll ever see a shutdown defense again.

We need an offense that pressures the other team to score.

[Yankee_In_TX]

Anyone else starting to think Barwin and the Eagles sound far apart? Maybe he'll still be a Texan yet....?

[Playoffs]

Wade Phillips @sonofbum

I really hope we retain Connor --great guy, leader & player-one of my all time favorites to coach

[IDEXAN]

Originally Posted by Playoffs

Wade Phillips @sonofbum

Hey maybe we've still got a shot ?! Honestly, I'd rather have him more than Quin, though maybe it's my bias that safetys (like RBs) are a dime a dozen while edge-rushers are anything but that. Don't get me wrong, I like Quin who is of course gone, but I don't think he'll be that hard to replace.

[Playoffs]

Originally Posted by IDEXAN

Hey maybe we've still got a shot ?! Honestly, I'd rather have him more than Quin, though maybe it's my bias that safetys (like RBs) are a dime a dozen while edge-rushers are anything but that. Don't get me wrong, I like Quin who is of course gone, but I don't think he'll be that hard to replace.

I fully expect Barwin to be here. He has options with playoff teams, but I think this is home for Kosmo.

[HOU-TEX]

Eagles?

Jason La Canfora‏@JasonLaCanfora
Eagles are on the verge of a deal with former Texans pass rusher Connor Barwin

[ASidd_1990]

Adam Caplan (@caplannfl)

For those 100 of you asking, things are progressing with Barwin and the Eagles. We'll see what happens.

[pissknocker]

Deal not finalized yet. Barwin reviewing contract.

Will rick match?

[htowntexans1985]

Man this team is going to look a whole lot different next season. Kinda sad yet optimistic.

[jukhan]

@JasonLaCanfora

Eagles are on the verge of a deal with former Texans pass rusher Connor Barwin

[HoustonRaven]

Originally Posted by jukhan

@JasonLaCanfora

Crap.

I was hoping we'd snag him. Oh well.

[htowntexans1985]

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

Crap.

I was hoping we'd snag him. Oh well.

Y'all can't "snag" no one. Flacco took all your snag money!!!

[JamesBill]

We have more depth behind Barwin and his production nose dived.