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Old 03-11-2013   #41
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I'm a firm believer that Schaub held all the cards back then.
Schaub was coming off a major injury. He held no cards. If the Texans could have afforded a $60+ million deal in 2012, they certainly could have done one this offseason. Joe Flacco always had the tools and the upside. He finally played up to them in the most opportune time. Schaub was never going to become what Flacco became. He's a pretty smart system QB with zero athleticism. The market would have been the Texans and...maybe the Jets. Maybe. Schaub might have gotten a $25 million, 3 year deal. Not the $60+ million he got from the Texans.
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Getting outbid for players isnt necessarily being shrewd. handing out deals before the contract is fulfilled is stupid. Most good GM's want to be sure of what they are about to mortgage the farm for. Doesnt use the franchise tag to his advantage tokeep quality players on the team, even when the team isnt in danger of going over the cap to keep guys around an extra year to see if they continue the upward trend and truly deserve the long deal. Overpaying his guys because he thinks 'they deserve it' is dumb.

I like the truly shrewd GM's. like the guy from baltimore,denver,san francisco,seattle. Our GM is just like the majority of the brass, good enough.

Who is being overpaid.

Not overpaying? You mean giving $120 million for Flacco... Baltimore is about to fall apart. Good thing Flacco was so good that he made the Denver safety fall asleep on his basic responsibillities in a prevent defense... Baltimore won't have another shot at a Superbowl for a long time!

Because of the Flacco deal, the Ravens dumped Anquan Boldin for almost nothing to get below the cap and that is in addition to the retirement of Ray Lewis, Ed Reed free agency, along with the following free agents:

Paul Kruger
Ellerbe
Chris Johnson
Considine
Kemoeatu
Cary Williams

Bryant Mckinnie
Bobbie Willilams

and many other contributors. With all those players off the book, the Ravens have $5 million more room in the cap than the Texans...

By the way, in 2014 the following players are scheduled to consume $70 million of the Ravens cap:

Flacco, Rice, yanda, Suggs, Ngata, Rice, L.Webb.

Seattle and San Fran are in great shape right now because of their youth and the fact that they hit on young QBs in the mid rounds. as long as they are working off their rookie deals, they will have a $10 - $15 million advantage over teams with veteran Qbs.

by the way, the Seattle GM gave Lynch a deal almost identical to Foster. Also, he sign Sidney Rice to a 5yr $41 million contract and Zach Miller to a 5yr $34 million contract (yikes!), and he also spent significant money bidding for Matt Flynn one year ago.

I'm not seeing the distinction you are making. I think all these organizations are doing a good job.... but I certainly don't see how Smith is less shrewd. Explain with evidence, please.
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The NFL is confirming that Rick Smith has become a shrewd S.O.B.... Look at how his very difficult and controversial decisions the past few seasons have turned out:

1. Dunta Robinson- Falcons cut him 3 years into that monster deal.

2. Asomugha- remember how many people wanted us to get him. Disaster for Phillie! Joseph was cheaper, younger, and has been much better.

3. Winston- Surprising cut by Houston last year. Less surprising, KC cut him this year.

4. Demeco- We got out from under that contract and received to mid round picks. A year later, Phillie is struggling to keep him and he was part of an awful defense.

5. I wanted Barwin signed before last year. Smith didn't and he's going to be cheaper now.

6. Briesel- hardly worth $20 million he received last year (and we are about to get a 5th or 6th round pick as compensation for not letting him destroy our cap)

7. Jason Allen? Didn't miss him and about to be rewarded a 6th round compensatory pick for him.

8. Mario- Anyone doubt that anymore? (plus a 3rd rounder this year)

9. Kareem Jackson pick- Not looking too bad after last season.

10. 10-11 picks this year in the draft.

11. Literally, according to my info, Texans have $73,000 of dead money this year. Wow!
When Rick Smith learns how to make trades where he can dump poor assets and acquire strong players consistently instead of having this "follow behind poppa Kubiak" with his "build through the draft only" approach then I'll refer to him as "shrewd." Until then, he'll continue to be a guy that is average at best that looks good because of Kubiak and Wade's cherry picked guys in the draft. Rick Smith doesn't seem to know how to make strong trades at all and I hate that about him. He has only had one off season where he went after some help in free agency and it worked out very well, but we haven't seemed to have figured out how to free up cap money since.

Lol at the idea of Rick Smith being shrewd.
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LOL

How long has Rick been here?

How many playoff wins? Super Bowls?

Tell me more about the Texans annual cap situation?

What is Rick Smith's actual role with the Texans? Somehow he's managed to keep his job despite being avg at best. That's kinda schrewed I guess.
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How long has Rick been here?

How many playoff wins? Super Bowls?

Tell me more about the Texans annual cap situation?
I don't think he has to win a SB to prove that he is a good GM. As long as he can consistently whip out strong teams from year to year and build a really strong one back if we have a lousy season, then that's the sign of a good GM to me. When I see Rick Smith standing pat every off season with this mythical dream that some rookies out of the draft are going to cover up the gaping holes we have on this team from year to year, then that shows me that the guy doesn't learn from his past mistakes, nor from other mistakes in history with other franchises. I certainly don't expect to see him making the Texans a major player in free agency or trades in every off season, but since he has been here it has only taken place in one off season out of what 6 or 7 now?? That's a horrible ratio and I don't see him managing the cap situation that well. Not that the Texans cap is easy with a lot of the successful 1st round picks and all, but I find it incredibly challenging for anyone to make a case that Rick Smith is some rennaisance man as a GM in this league.
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When Rick Smith learns how to make trades where he can dump poor assets and acquire strong players consistently instead of having this "follow behind poppa Kubiak" with his "build through the draft only" approach then I'll refer to him as "shrewd." Until then, he'll continue to be a guy that is average at best that looks good because of Kubiak and Wade's cherry picked guys in the draft. Rick Smith doesn't seem to know how to make strong trades at all and I hate that about him. He has only had one off season where he went after some help in free agency and it worked out very well, but we haven't seemed to have figured out how to free up cap money since.

Lol at the idea of Rick Smith being shrewd.
Umm, we got a 3rd and a 4th for Demeco Ryans last year. Not bad for an aging, MLB, one year removed from a torn achilles tendon who was a liability in pass coverage when he was young and healthy.

How about the trade down in 2008 to drop back and grab Duane Brown one pick before the Chargers grabbed him. How does that move look now?

How about last off-season when he got us cap healthy without sacrificing the season and landed us (likely) 4 compensatory draft picks for this year, including a 3rd rounder?

How about outbidding the Bears a few years ago for an UDFA, offering a rare two year contract to lure him out of Chicago: Arian Foster?


He has let Dunta walk, and he let Mario walk away despite a lot of noise suggesting it was very foolish to do so... The Texans did have a choice, by the way. They could have restructured contracts and chosen not to pay some of Foster, Brown, Myers, Schaub... electing to "win now" with Mario and worry about the future when they had to. Good thing Rick and company avoided that nonsense!
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what about the Ahman green signing LOL whos idea was that ..?????

Or Alex brink .. i know a 7th rounder but dammm that had to be a Kubes pick
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what about the Ahman green signing LOL whos idea was that ..?????
I would venture a guess that Mike Sherman had something to do with it

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gotta dig deep in order to find the mythical 7th round bust
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How long has Rick been here?

How many playoff wins? Super Bowls?

Tell me more about the Texans annual cap situation?

What is Rick Smith's actual role with the Texans? Somehow he's managed to keep his job despite being avg at best. That's kinda schrewed I guess.
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He has only had one off season where he went after some help in free agency and it worked out very well, but we haven't seemed to have figured out how to free up cap money since.

Lol at the idea of Rick Smith being shrewd.
Not that I disagree with you about Rick Smith's prowess, but Wade Smith was a good signing, he was excellent his first year, similar to Jjo's first year.

Then Antonio was a mixed bag. I don't think he was the guy we paid him to be, a threatening pass rusher opposite Mario, but recently with Wade, he's been playing lights out.

He got Matt Schaub through trade & he's been as productive as any QB in the league since 2008 (when he's healthy), not exactly free agency, but a decent trade for a starting QB.
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what about the Ahman green signing LOL whos idea was that ..?????

Or Alex brink .. i know a 7th rounder but dammm that had to be a Kubes pick


Yes, occasionally Rick Smith used to make mistakes. There is no better evidence of how good he has been than people in disagreement using A.Green and Brink as possible examples. Green was an awful move 5 years ago. And, Brink was not one of his better 7th round picks.
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Not that I disagree with you about Rick Smith's prowess, but Wade Smith was a good signing, he was excellent his first year, similar to Jjo's first year.

Then Antonio was a mixed bag. I don't think he was the guy we paid him to be, a threatening pass rusher opposite Mario, but recently with Wade, he's been playing lights out.

He got Matt Schaub through trade & he's been as productive as any QB in the league since 2008 (when he's healthy), not exactly free agency, but a decent trade for a starting QB.
Antonio was an excellent free agent signing. The Texans got value for him. As with most deals, his contract was back-loaded. For the first three years, he only counted $3-$5 million against the cap. The fact that the Texans aren't going to cut him on the last year of his deal despite the $9 million cap charge is a great indication of how valuable he has been.
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Yeah, we should fire Smith. He's an awful 7th Round drafter. Throwaway picks.

Except for David Anderson. And Zac Diles. And Troy Nolan. And Dorin Dickerson. And Derek Newton. If we'd have had a 7th rounder in 2012 he would have blown it. Fire his azz.
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Yeah, I like how Rick Smith tried to get us Boldin for a throw away pick, wish that would have worked out.

Not saying he is a bad GM by any means, but, wake me up when training camp starts, Texans off season "moves" are as boring as golf usually.

As long as the Texans keep making the second round of the playoffs (despite whether or not they obviously blow balls down the stretch and fans pretend everything is A-ok) expectations will have been met, Queue up the next season after that, rinse, repeat.
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Yeah, we should fire Smith. He's an awful 7th Round drafter. Throwaway picks.

Except for David Anderson. And Zac Diles. And Troy Nolan. And Dorin Dickerson. And Derek Newton. If we'd have had a 7th rounder in 2012 he would have blown it. Fire his azz.
Arian Foster, undrafted.
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Yeah, we should fire Smith. He's an awful 7th Round drafter. Throwaway picks.

Except for David Anderson. And Zac Diles. And Troy Nolan. And Dorin Dickerson. And Derek Newton. If we'd have had a 7th rounder in 2012 he would have blown it. Fire his azz.
I brought up a few articles recently that show the percentage of draft picks in each round that became starter, contributor, place-holder, or nothing.

A 7th rounder usually is a "nothing" or a place-holder.
His chance of being a contributor is very low; of becoming a starter is very rare.

6th and 7th rounders have a little better of a chance to amount to something, but not much better.

You need 5 or 6 of those guys to find a starter; the Texans surpassed those figures rather handsomely.

They have been doing a good job on this part.
You have to give them that credit.
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Arian Foster, undrafted.
Braman and Jamison have been doing quite well also.
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I like Smith overall but damn; Amobi Okoye???????
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I don't think he has to win a SB to prove that he is a good GM. As long as he can consistently whip out strong teams from year to year and build a really strong one back if we have a lousy season, then that's the sign of a good GM to me. When I see Rick Smith standing pat every off season with this mythical dream that some rookies out of the draft are going to cover up the gaping holes we have on this team from year to year, then that shows me that the guy doesn't learn from his past mistakes, nor from other mistakes in history with other franchises. I certainly don't expect to see him making the Texans a major player in free agency or trades in every off season, but since he has been here it has only taken place in one off season out of what 6 or 7 now?? That's a horrible ratio and I don't see him managing the cap situation that well. Not that the Texans cap is easy with a lot of the successful 1st round picks and all, but I find it incredibly challenging for anyone to make a case that Rick Smith is some rennaisance man as a GM in this league.
I think it's been shown year in and year out that teams that rely upon free agency to build their teams don't win. How much money did Philly shell out for their "Dream Team"? They should be cutting Nnamdi today and they're no closer to competing for a playoff spot than Cleveland ever is.

I think the fact that Smith has built a playoff team without having to buy players every year shows that he's doing a good job. Yeah, we're only 2-2 in the playoffs, but considering this was still an expansion team as far as talent goes when he took it over we're in good shape. We have a strong foundation and good players at many key positions. Do we have holes? Yep. Every team has some. You can't have All-Pro caliber players at every position with a hard cap. As long as we get into the playoffs each year we have a chance at winning the Super Bowl. No team is a lock and no team is a guaranteed one and done once the playoffs begin. I think most people felt Baltimore would lose to Denver if not to Indy, but look what happened.

Build through the draft.
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Default Re: Rick Smith looks smarter every day

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Originally Posted by TexanBacker93 View Post
1. We wanted to keep Dunta, but we weren't willing to overpay him. Rick could have gone the Falcons route, but didn't and let him walk.

3. We don't know if the Texans approached Winston to take a pay cut. They may have and I'm sure he would have said no. It's the last year of his contract so he's going to get the money. I agree that maybe a trade could have been found, but if teams know you need to move someone they might not be as quick to answer that call.
Paying Dunta 7+ million a year is overpaying him, and that's what we offered before franchising him for 10 million. We were stuck paying top dollar to a guy who never made a probowl because we had no depth at the position. 7 million a year in 2010 was too much, but we lucked out that he didn't take that deal and instead of paying him about 23 million, we only paid 10 for a one year rental. If you want to give kudos to Rick for that, then I don't know what to tell you. The situation was bad regardless of what we did.

On Winston:

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“Unfortunately I have bad news,” Winston wrote. “The Texans have decided to release me today. Although it is a surprise, I have nothing but positive memories and great relationships that I have built over the years. While my future seems uncertain, I am confident I will land on my feet. Let me say thank you to Mr. McNair and the whole Texan organization. They have had big role in the player and person I have become. And last but not least to my fans and teammates. You guys are the absolute best! I will miss all of you more than you know.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-eric-winston/

I believe it was on Twitter that he was angry about not getting asked to at least renegotiate. He did have two years left on his deal, so there was room to maneuver. Signing a deal worth more money (5.5m a year with the Chiefs, vs 4.5m salary on the Texans) goes to show the Texans missed an opportunity to trade him. Why wouldn't the Chiefs or someone else trade a 6th or swap picks a round apart for Winston to take on his non-guaranteed deal? If he doesn't work out, cut him and he costs less than what they paid for him this year. If Winston Justice can be traded for a swap of 6th round picks and a salary of 3.25m, then Winston ought to be worth at least a 6th outright...
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