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Old 03-09-2013   #41
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Lots of Schaub data compiled in one place. Thoroughly enjoyed going through it all.
So what's the answer? The data tells me that Schaub has been a pretty decent QB for us but picked the worse time ever (Dec. 2012) to have a drop off in performance/have a slump/run out of gas/have a lisfranc setback/suffer a bad bio-rhythm month/whatever.
Hell, what was the question?
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QB for us but picked the worse time ever (Dec. 2012) to have a drop off in performance/have a slump/run out of gas/have a lisfranc setback/suffer a bad bio-rhythm month/whatever.
Hell, what was the question?
Too much credit & too much blame. That's what I think the problem is. Every team that made it past us in the play offs had several players who had exceptional games..... Wes Welker, Steven Ridley, Shane Vareen, Torey Smith, Anquan Boldin, Jacoby Jones, Tony Gonzales, Julio Jones, Roddy White, Jaquis Rogers, Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Frank Gore.... all in addition to the QB, but we didn't.

I understand the train of thought, that it starts with the QB. But what if Andre caught that TD vs Atlanta, what if he'd have stopped & caught that one that Matt threw behind him in New England... what if OD, or Walter would have caught the ones they dropped for sure first downs, what if LeStar Caught that one to extend the drive vs New England.... what if we got on a roll by completing these passes?

Matt has to play better, I'm not denying that in any way. But we were seeing great play from TEs, WRs, & RBs from WildCard weekend to the Super Bowl, from all but two teams (imo) the Texans & the Bengals.
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Just 9 weeks ago most people said the same thing about Flacco.
I must not be most, I've always thought Flacco could lead a team to the SB. 2 yrs ago he was a dropped pass or a missed FG from playing in the SB.

Schaub after 6 yrs? Remember I used to be a Schaub guy and think he's a great person/leader etc.... but SB winning QB= doubtful. Seems we were having this discussion about HWNSNBM a few yrs ago. Whenever this discussion is being had chances are the QB being discussed will never lead their team to a SB. (Excrption being Flacco)

Looks like Gary picked the wrong QB to lead the Texans to a SB. He should pay for that decision with his job.IMHO However BoB would never do anything that traumatic. How could the Texans ever find a HC that could replace Gary and still be able to run the WC system? Isit impossible? 7 yrs and counting? I really feel for guys like AJ.
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I must not be most, I've always thought Flacco could lead a team to the SB. 2 yrs ago he was a dropped pass or a missed FG from playing in the SB.
Alex Smith was in a similar situation, yet most people are convinced he can't take his team to a Super Bowl, much less win one.

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Schaub after 6 yrs? Remember I used to be a Schaub guy and think he's a great person/leader etc.... but SB winning QB= doubtful. Seems we were having this discussion about HWNSNBM a few yrs ago. Whenever this discussion is being had chances are the QB being discussed will never lead their team to a SB. (Excrption being Flacco)
I am not a Schaub fan. My comments lately come from the increased negativity. He's being criticized about things that have been part of his game for a long time, yet he manages to be successful despite them.

Right now, imo, the only thing he should be criticized about is his ability to lead the team, that's the only thing that he's not demonstrated to be able to do at a high level (& the evidence is so subjective anyway, you won't know until he wins one so it's pointless to even argue).

People putting Schaub in the same category as Carr just don't know what they're talking about. 6 years into his career, he was still working on footwork & throwing through ladders. There was a basic understanding of the game that was missing.... Schaub doesn't have that problem. He's smart enough to make the most of his capabilities & minimize his limitations.
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Alex Smith was in the process of leading his team to the SB last yr before he suffered the concussion and lost his job. He was in the same situation as Flacco 2 yrs ago, a couple of fumbles away from being in the SB.

Now that he's with the Chiefs the chances of him winning a SB are slim. I mean if Montana couldn't win a SB with the Chiefs it is doubtful Alex Smith will.
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I say give Schaub one more year before we throw him under the bus. Yes, he faded down the stretch against some teams the Texans should have beat. But dang, the dude led us to a 11-1 record at one point. He's got some work to do, like his deep throws. He got picked off too many times this last year trying to throw a bomb. But I still remember the Denver game where he beat Peyton Manning at his own game. How about the butt-whooping of the Super Bowl Champs? There was lots of good last season, on top of the bad at the end.

If Schaub comes out and has a poor season, then it's time to re-evaluate our options. But in the meantime, let's see what the Texans can do by addressing some of the holes on the team that currently exist...like the fact that Schaub only has ONE player he can throw the ball to for passes greater than 15 yards, where as guys like Brady have Welker, Hernandez, Gronkowski, etc. Also, let's shore up a defense that had some big gaps. They can't just rely on JJ Watt to get pressure every down. Brian Cushing's return will help, but the defense needs depth that wasn't there last season. Granted, how many ILBs were hurt?

If Schaub gets upgrades to his offense and still can't perform, then it's time to head into next offseason with a QB in mind. But give the guy one more season to lead the team.
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Alex Smith was in the process of leading his team to the SB last yr before he suffered the concussion and lost his job. He was in the same situation as Flacco 2 yrs ago, a couple of fumbles away from being in the SB.

Now that he's with the Chiefs the chances of him winning a SB are slim. I mean if Montana couldn't win a SB with the Chiefs it is doubtful Alex Smith will.
Well, Matt Schaub was on the way to lead the Texans to the SB in 2011, too ... until he suffered that injury.
Don't you think the Texans would have beaten the Ravens with Schaub instead of the rookie?

Can Schaub carry a team?
Heck, NO!

Can the Texans go to the SB with Schaub?
Yes, they have a good chance with him if all the pieces come together (like the Ravens did for Flacco, and like the Pats did for Brady - their defenses played well in the play-offs.)

The better question is does the Texans get value out of the money they spent on Schaub last year?

Did the Broncos get it's worth from Manning?
No, he performed at least as poorly as Schaub did in their play-off loss.

Did the Pats get it from Brady? No, they didn't either.
Brady didn't play well, especially considering the money.

You have the same amount of cap space as other teams to build a football team.
Those that spend more on their QB should expect better results.

If you dig deep into all the contracts; considering the cost of acquisition (draft, trade), the value of the contract, the real money depending on the year of the contract, the hidden cost, the year of service (a younger guy may earn a little less, but only because he might be only in his second contract - Kelvin Kolb for example.)

Look at this long list: Eli Manning, Carlson Palmer, Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez, Jay Cutler, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, Phillip Rivers, and on and on.
Not very many team get more value out of their QB as the Texans did with Schaub.

But the rest of the guys had to contribute. We pay a lot of money for those other guys; they need to figure into the blame game as well.
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If Schaub gets upgrades to his offense and still can't perform, then it's time to head into next offseason with a QB in mind. But give the guy one more season to lead the team.
There's no other choice. The Texans can't afford to bring in veteran competition. It's unlikely that the backups improve enough to challenge for the starting job. It's not a good rookie crop of QBs (supposedly), and it's rare that a rookie QB makes an impact (well, it used to be rare). It's Schaub or bust.
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There's no other choice. The Texans can't afford to bring in veteran competition. It's unlikely that the backups improve enough to challenge for the starting job. It's not a good rookie crop of QBs (supposedly), and it's rare that a rookie QB makes an impact (well, it used to be rare). It's Schaub or bust.
there will be more than one QB coming out of this draft who will produce @ the next level sooner than later, it usually happens just a matter of Luck or Skill during evaluation process. Our central issue is Kubiak & his spotty resume considering his "QB Guru" status as coach. That is the conundrum
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I guess I am in the mindset if guys like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer can win ring with a team that Matt Schaub can. I think he's easily better than both.

I think the differentiation that should be made here is can Matt LEAD the team to a SB or can he win one. I tend to fall more in the later.

Offensively my bigger concern is not necessarily having a guy on offense that the rest of the team can feed off like the defense has with Cushing, Smith, and of course Watt.

AJ has shown that he is still more than capable of being that guy on this offense several times this season. Butt, it just annoys me to no end sometimes to not see Gary or Matt make the call to just start feeding him the ball when this offense struggles. There's nothing wrong sometimes with just simplifying the game and just getting the ball to your best player.
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There's no other choice. The Texans can't afford to bring in veteran competition. It's unlikely that the backups improve enough to challenge for the starting job. It's not a good rookie crop of QBs (supposedly), and it's rare that a rookie QB makes an impact (well, it used to be rare). It's Schaub or bust.
At least we'll have a better supporting cast by the time Schaub's replacement sees the field... well, might not have AJ by then, but hopefully a plethora of weapons... other than the ones we've got now that is.
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when you've had as much starts and experience as schaub and you are in your 30s already....

everything is known. There are no more unknowns.

Sad matt schaub has conned so many people here in houston. The rationalizing of his piss poor play is just nauseatingly pathetic.
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Well, Matt Schaub was on the way to lead the Texans to the SB in 2011, too ... until he suffered that injury.
Don't you think the Texans would have beaten the Ravens with Schaub instead of the rookie?

Can Schaub carry a team?
Heck, NO!

Can the Texans go to the SB with Schaub?
Yes, they have a good chance with him if all the pieces come together (like the Ravens did for Flacco, and like the Pats did for Brady - their defenses played well in the play-offs.)

The better question is does the Texans get value out of the money they spent on Schaub last year?

Did the Broncos get it's worth from Manning?
No, he performed at least as poorly as Schaub did in their play-off loss.

Did the Pats get it from Brady? No, they didn't either.
Brady didn't play well, especially considering the money.

You have the same amount of cap space as other teams to build a football team.
Those that spend more on their QB should expect better results.

If you dig deep into all the contracts; considering the cost of acquisition (draft, trade), the value of the contract, the real money depending on the year of the contract, the hidden cost, the year of service (a younger guy may earn a little less, but only because he might be only in his second contract - Kelvin Kolb for example.)

Look at this long list: Eli Manning, Carlson Palmer, Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez, Jay Cutler, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, Phillip Rivers, and on and on.
Not very many team get more value out of their QB as the Texans did with Schaub.

But the rest of the guys had to contribute. We pay a lot of money for those other guys; they need to figure into the blame game as well.
The Texans are tied to Schaub thru the 2016 season. Do you see him getting better or worse as time goes on?

If you see him getting better I understand. Although I haven't seen a QB that had great footwork (Schaub 2009-2010) fall off the cliff in terms of footwork suddenly regain his lost footwork. But hey, there's a 1st time for everything. (I hope you're right)

As far as all of the other stuff, Brady has 3 rings he deserves his $$$$. Manning was one dumb play by a S from reaching an above avg chance at reaching a SB. Schaub? Bottom line is when was the last time a QB with Schaub's skills won a SB? Dilfer/Johnson 10-15 yrs ago?

Your fandom says Schaub is good enough to win a SB. (Which I respect and hope your right) The type of QB Schaub is and his medical issues have me thinking Schab isn't the man for the job.
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There's no other choice. The Texans can't afford to bring in veteran competition. It's unlikely that the backups improve enough to challenge for the starting job. It's not a good rookie crop of QBs (supposedly), and it's rare that a rookie QB makes an impact (well, it used to be rare). It's Schaub or bust.
Yep

You can thank BoB/Rick/Gary for this situation. They jumped the gun re-signing Schaub. kinda like they jumped the gun re-signing HWNSNBM. (History repeating itself)
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You can thank BoB/Rick/Gary for this situation. They jumped the gun re-signing Schaub. kinda like they jumped the gun re-signing HWNSNBM. (History repeating itself)
Totally different situation. David Carr has never done anything to make you think he was worth the $8M kicker he got. Schaub on the other hand led the league in passing in 2009, has had a QB rating of 90+ for 5 years running while throwing for (or being on pace to throw for) more than 4,000 yards.

It's just stats & I'm not saying that makes Schaub elite or anything, only that he shouldn't be compared to that scrub.

Matt's biggest issues, & the only ones that really matter, has been his health & his ability to lead this team. When he's healthy, there aren't many QBs better. I know there are a lot of QBs that many here say are better than Schaub & they rate them higher, but most of those guys have not performed as well as, or produced as much as Schaub. They'll rate them on potential, age, or athleticism; not production.

But Production wise, Schaub beats them hands down. Not extending Schaub in September would have only added one more contract Greg Olsen & Rick Smith would have to work out this offseason. You're fooling yourself if you think the Texans would have let him walk, or that we would have been able to sign him for less.
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Oh, I don't buy that one bit. If we waited to see how Schaub would play during a full season after coming from a game-changing injury instead of a knee jerk re-signing after one of our most dominating defensive games in team history, his contract would not be looking the same.

What a stupid risk that was. Why wouldn't you not want to wait and see how a 30-something year old QB does after a pretty fkn serious injury on his throwing foot? But no, we decided to not even do a legitimate evaluation. Of course Matt may look 100% during drills and his first game. How's he going to look at the end of the season after some hits and also when the games actually matter a lot more? Well, what he has so far shown us makes me sick to my stomach that he's guaranteed 24 million. One of the most unclutch QBs when the games are on the line. Losing HFA twice..

But hey, good for him. He doesn't have to worry about money again.
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What a stupid risk that was. Why wouldn't you not want to wait and see how a 30-something year old QB does after a pretty fkn serious injury on his throwing foot? But no, we decided to not even do a legitimate evaluation. Of course Matt may look 100% during drills and his first game. How's he going to look at the end of the season after some hits and also when the games actually matter a lot more?
It was a mistake. A miscalculation. There would not be a market for Schaub right now, after what he showed in 2012, combined with his injury history. They could have still re-signed Shaub for less $$$ and fewer years. If Schaub cannot come back to pre-injury form, it will haunt this franchise for the next 2-3 years.
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2014 at the most.

And really, it could be as soon as after the 2013 season. But knowing this franchise's tendencies, I'd place money on after 2014.
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We're not tied to Schaub through 2016.

2014 at the most.

And really, it could be as soon as after the 2013 season. But knowing this franchise's tendencies, I'd place money on after 2014.
That's probably correct. Releasing Schaub before the 2014 would be close to breakeven against the cap. Prior to the 2015 season, would be a cap savings of close to $10 million. But that would still have $7million of dead money against the cap. Just like Casserly did, carrying around cap space for guys that are no longer playing.
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LOL - hard to burst my bubble when you don't have a clue. We were 30th in the league in rushing. Slaton averaged 3.3 ypc and didn't even have 450 yards on the season. Now work your magic on spinning that into above average.
sorry, I merged 2008 and 2009 in my mind. So Schaub did carry us offensively in 2009, 4 years ago. We gonna continue to live on the past and ignore the lack of clutchness gene and lack of playing in the spot light? doesn't matter why he lost his mojo, it matters that he has. And hasn't proven he will regain it. Not to mention he has always had massive short comings and the way the nfl evolves year in and year out, we're not gonna be able to over come those. The lack of mobility in todays nfl from the qb is a BIG negative and IMO a reason for failure in crucial moments. When a team pins back and rushed the qb, schaub and his LEAGUE slow 3 cone time (I did a study and will post later about 3 cone times and their ability to predict mobility for qbs in the nfl) really hurts the team as he tries to elude rushers and make a play.
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