Texans Draft QB in 1st or 2nd

[Mr teX]

I actually could see us taking a qb in the 2nd round...seems like some good value could be had there & you'd have to take that....might have to move up a little though. This qb class isn't exactly overwhelming. Could easily see it.

I think the 1st is going to the defense though...Lb of some sort....people don't want to hear it b/c they feel it throws shade on JJ's amazing season but our defense let us down just about as much our offense did down the stretch.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

While I do agree with you the Texans should wait to draft a QB, unless Bray falls to the bottom of the 2nd/3rd rd.

Getting a QB of the future is hardly crap. Getting a QB that has accuracy/arm strength and a little bit of mobility, as well as being able to read a defense is kind of important.

Right but with how crappy this class is a guy with issues like Bray has is probably not worth a 1st or 2nd (like the article insinuates). I'm really big on looking at the draft overall and seeing which position groups are strong and which are weak.

There will be guys who are way way better than the guys who will probably go in the bottom of the first/top of the second that will probably be available at whatever pick the Texans have next year as opposed to this year. To me it just seems like they would be taking a QB just to take one to develop. Do that with one of the guys listed below Manziel on my list next year. Don't do that this year.

(Post is null and void if somebody like Geno Smith is available at #27 this year.)

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by b0ng

Right but with how crappy this class is a guy with issues like Bray has is probably not worth a 1st or 2nd (like the article insinuates). I'm really big on looking at the draft overall and seeing which position groups are strong and which are weak.

There will be guys who are way way better than the guys who will probably go in the bottom of the first/top of the second that will probably be available at whatever pick the Texans have next year as opposed to this year. To me it just seems like they would be taking a QB just to take one to develop. Do that with one of the guys listed below Manziel on my list next year. Don't do that this year.

(Post is null and void if somebody like Geno Smith is available at #27 this year.)

This is my approach as well with the thinking that whichever position group is the deepest is the position that there will be a run on in the 1st. Happens every year. I remember in 2008 all the talk about who we should have available to us at the tackle position by the time we pick..Clady.....Cherilus...Otah...Albert. Duane Brown was an after thought. I remember folks on this board were upset b/c Brown was thought to be a project player..I'd say we nailed that one though lol.


Now If Geno falls that far,the football gods might've finally smiled down on us a little....can't see it though...dude was rumored to be the top overall pick at 1 point.

[leebigeztx]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

If Barkley was there , I might do it . He is bigger than they thought at 6'3 with 10 inch hands . A four year starter at a name school and good character to boot . This is how the Packers got Aaron Rodgers .

Except he has a 3rd arm with slow feet.

[76Texan]

You know Leebig, I went back and watched about 8 of Barkley's game, and I must say I don't see the negativity you did.

He reset his feet just fine on several occasions when he had to avoid the rush and completed some tough throws.

His arm strength is better than Schaub (about 5 to 7 yards).
He can whiff the ball 40 yards downfield on the run.
He can make the transcontinental pass (and complete it.)
He can put the ball in the air some 62 yards.

In about 3 or 4 games, he already completed as many passes longer than 15 yards than E.J. Manuel did the whole year.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

If Barkley was there , I might do it . He is bigger than they thought at 6'3 with 10 inch hands . A four year starter at a name school and good character to boot . This is how the Packers got Aaron Rodgers .

Originally Posted by leebigeztx

Except he has a 3rd arm with slow feet.

Originally Posted by 76Texan

You know Leebig, I went back and watched about 8 of Barkley's game, and I must say I don't see the negativity you did.

Yeah, I don't see what lee is looking at, either. I just watched every throw Barkley made against Oregon, which was the best team USC faced in 2012. Barkley threw the ball downfield very well. Better than he did the shorter passes, really. He threw a lot of short passes because he plays in a WCO. Saw a lot of pressure and looked pretty fearless in the pocket. My criticism would be his decision making while under pressure. That's the difference between good and great QBs.

Still, he's young and has a lot to learn. I think he's a sure fire 1st rounder and will be gone well before the Texans pick at #27. Arizona, Buffalo, NY Jets (#7-#9), one of these QB starved teams will take Barkley.

[76Texan]

I don't see Barkley lasting to #27.

I'm not even sure that Geno Smith is the first QB off the board.
Smith does have very good athleticism and a pretty good football acumen.
I heard that he also has a great work ethic and spent a lot of time in the film room. Those are reasons that will probably notch him the honor, but there's no guarantee that he will be as successful in a pro system (or WC) as he would be in a shotgun spread offense.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

This is my approach as well with the thinking that whichever position group is the deepest is the position that there will be a run on in the 1st. Happens every year. I remember in 2008 all the talk about who we should have available to us at the tackle position by the time we pick..Clady.....Cherilus...Otah...Albert. Duane Brown was an after thought. I remember folks on this board were upset b/c Brown was thought to be a project player..I'd say we nailed that one though lol.


Now If Geno falls that far,the football gods might've finally smiled down on us a little....can't see it though...dude was rumored to be the top overall pick at 1 point.

Alex Gibbs made that pick.

Funny how a HOF OL coach can pick projects that actually reach their potential. Regardless of how a large contingent of this MB felt about the Brown pick. The Brown pick was one of the few times that Rick/Gary took a chance by trading down and picking a project like Brown. You can do things like this if you have great asst coaches.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Alex Gibbs made that pick.

Funny how a HOF OL coach can pick projects that actually reach their potential. Regardless of how a large contingent of this MB felt about the Brown pick. The Brown pick was one of the few times that Rick/Gary took a chance by trading down and picking a project like Brown. You can do things like this if you have great asst coaches.

To be successful, you need to surround yourself with competent people and let them do their jobs; I think that works in any field.

[TexansCountry]

Barkley actually threw really well at his pro day. Every throw was on target and released before the wr went into his cut. Could wind up being a good qb

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by TexansCountry

Barkley actually threw really well at his pro day. Every throw was on target and released before the wr went into his cut. Could wind up being a good qb

That is what set him apart from other QBs in this draft (maybe with the exception of Geno); anticipation. When you can throw "on time", arm strength becomes less of an issue.

[TexansCountry]

I heard mayock and a few others saying after seeing him throw there's a big chance hell be the first qb off the board. I still like the idea of us taking ej Manuel. If he's willing to put the work in he could be another good one

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by TexansCountry

I heard mayock and a few others saying after seeing him throw there's a big chance hell be the first qb off the board. I still like the idea of us taking ej Manuel. If he's willing to put the work in he could be another good one

Same as I've said before; my thinking has been that there's no guarantee Geno Smith will be the first QB off the board.


Regarding Manuel, to me, he has all the tools; whether he can put it together is up to him.

[TexansCountry]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Same as I've said before; my thinking has been that there's no guarantee Geno Smith will be the first QB off the board.


Regarding Manuel, to me, he has all the tools; whether he can put it together is up to him.

Agree he could be real good or be a jamarcus Russell. To me there's only 3 qbs in this draft with a legit chance to play. Every other one will make decent backs and we already have schaub so no back up needed lol