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Old 02-28-2013   #141
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76Texan, I ve had barkley in 3rd rd forever. Even last yr when people said he should've come out he was a 3rd rd prospect. He doesn't have any special traits. If you want a statue, at least get one with a arm like Bray who is a better athlete and can challenge every blade of grass.
Fair enough! We'll see what happens down the road.

As far as QB evaluation, I don't know if we can count on one or two special traits.

I remember Greg Cosell gushing over Jamarcus Russell about "the big arm", "intuition", "can make every throw"... "From any platform".

Well, I disagreed with Cosell on 2 and 4.
Cosell thought very highly of Jamarcus, when I thought Russell was way-overhyped (even by some QB coaches, scouts, and GMs; even Al Davis.)

Or I strongly disagreed with Cosell's comparison of Russell Wilson to Seneca Wallace. (Cosell eventually changed his tune on Wilson, starting after the PS games.

So like I said, I like Cosell, but I didn't agree with him here and there.
I think he was quite high on VY, too???

Obviously, nobody is going to hit on every prospect that they study/scout.

I try not to overwhelm myself, and perhaps because of that, I've been quite consistent (never too far off my evaluation.)

I think I will continue my post later on for fear of losing this one for any reason (Internet connection for example.)

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Let's backtrack to 2006.
I like VY as a college QB; he has great athleticism; I had concern about him being able to develop his passing game in the pro; I had concern about him running too much when he shouldn't, he may injures himself; or worse, he may rely on his feet too much to become a competent passer.
I like Reggie Bush; he's tremendous in space. I had concern about him being able to run between the tackles to be a great 3-down back.

I had separate discussion/bet with posters on the old TT board, but it was all tied together with Mario Williams.

My thinking is that Mario will have a better career overall than VY and Bush.

To a degree, they were all injured at some point(s) in their career; Mario's injuries has been more of a freakish nature, while VY's and Bush's have been more of a natural nature of the kind of players they are.

And yet (at least so far) Mario is still way ahead of the other two.

I think my evaluation here isn't too shabby.
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I remember Greg Cosell gushing over Jamarcus Russell about "the big arm", "intuition", "can make every throw"... "From any platform".

Well, I disagreed with Cosell on 2 and 4.
Cosell thought very highly of Jamarcus, when I thought Russell was way-overhyped (even by some QB coaches, scouts, and GMs; even Al Davis.)

So like I said, I like Cosell, but I didn't agree with him here and there.
I think he was quite high on VY, too???
Jamarcus & VY are brain damaged. That's something Cosell had no way of knowing. You've got to sit down with a player & find out where their head is. They either love football, or they love what football can provide for them. You've got to figure out if they love it enough to do what it takes for a long time. The answer with VY & Jamarcus was no.... had nothing to do with their ability.
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Regarding Schaub, again, it originated on the old TT board, TexanMike mentioned him first. I looked into it and I agreed that we should make a trade. My original price was a third round pick!

Obviously, I wasn't all that "thrilled" with Schaub.
Sure, I understood that we have to pay more for a previous third round pick that had shown "something" after a couple years on the bench.

Sure, eventually, we learned that the Falcons put a "first and third" designation on Schaub; it doesn't mean that I was happy with the swap in the first round and the two seconds we exchanged, on top of the contract that I thought was more than a bit high, especially considering the guaranteed money.

You can see that I thought we overpaid for Schaub.

And I've never been a Schaub's hater!
All I'm interested in is to build a team to compete, then go to the play-offs, then to contend to go deep as many times as you can.
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Jamarcus & VY are brain damaged. That's something Cosell had no way of knowing. You've got to sit down with a player & find out where their head is. They either love football, or they love what football can provide for them. You've got to figure out if they love it enough to do what it takes for a long time. The answer with VY & Jamarcus was no.... had nothing to do with their ability.
This might be where some of us differ; and I am not talking about anybody in specific at all.

For a QB, my first criteria is the brain.
The brain helps the QB to run the other 10 players (and the substitutes), and to realize when they can let the D take over, and when the O needs to be the force, etc.
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This might be where some of us differ; and I am not talking about anybody in specific at all.

For a QB, my first criteria is the brain.
The brain helps the QB to run the other 10 players (and the substitutes), and to realize when they can let the D take over, and when the O needs to be the force, etc.
It wasn't that they lacked the ability to grasp the game. They let the outside stuff mess with their football. Jamarcus got fat, Vince... let's just say he had that sausage thing going.
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It wasn't that they lacked the ability to grasp the game. They let the outside stuff mess with their football. Jamarcus got fat, Vince... let's just say he had that sausage thing going.
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At the end of the day, the guy I want at QB is the guy who can make the best out of the eleven guys on the field at one time.

The more consistently he can do it , the better.

I am not looking for a crazy good individual; I'm looking for a guy who can make the best out of the eleven on the field at a given time; and on top of that, a guy who can manage a changing eleven on the field so as to bring about the best outcome/results.

It works the same in most situations in real life.
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At the end of the day, the guy I want at QB is the guy who can make the best out of the eleven guys on the field at one time.
Is there a guy in this draft that you like better than Tj or Keenum for this, that can be had for a 5th or later?

Is there a guy you like in this draft that you like better than Tj or Keenum, that is worth spending a 4th or better
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A'ight, I'm going out on a limb here and predict that teams will not revert to norm and push QBs up the list this year.

I think we may see QBs drafted more in line with value, which means 2nd round & that's bad for the Texans imo.
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Is there a guy in this draft that you like better than Tj or Keenum for this, that can be had for a 5th or later?

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Didn't see this.

I'm too biased to answer the question anyway,
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I desperately want a quarterback to groom behind Schaub as I see his play tailing off...agree or not thats been hashed out repeatedly. I didn't watch much college ball this year but i've been reading a LOT of scouting reports on the position...

This is a dreadful year to draft a qb in the top 4 rounds. I cant find anybody I really like. Even Geno wouldnt be a consideration for me till the early 2nd. Some schaub clones out there and that kinda defeats the purpose of drafting one for me.

I've gotta agree with playoffs on this. Teams ALWAYS reach...we'll see less this year.
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I desperately want a quarterback to groom behind Schaub as I see his play tailing off...agree or not thats been hashed out repeatedly. I didn't watch much college ball this year but i've been reading a LOT of scouting reports on the position...

This is a dreadful year to draft a qb in the top 4 rounds. I cant find anybody I really like. Even Geno wouldnt be a consideration for me till the early 2nd. Some schaub clones out there and that kinda defeats the purpose of drafting one for me.

I've gotta agree with playoffs on this. Teams ALWAYS reach...we'll see less this year.
It's never too early or a BAD year to look forward.
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YEAR: 2013
Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59
Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59
James Vandenberg, Iowa 57
Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56
Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56
Geno Smith, West Virginia 55
Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55
EJ Manuel, Florida State 54
Matthew Scott, Arizona 54
Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53
Collin Klein, Kansas State 52
Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51
Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51
Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49
Matt Barkley, Southern Cal Did not throw
Sean Renfree, Duke Did not throw

YEAR: 2012
Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59
Nick Foles, Arizona 57
Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55
Case Keenum, Houston 55
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State 52
Kellen Moore, Boise State 52
Robert Griffin III, Baylor Did not throw
Andrew Luck, Stanford Did not throw
Brock Osweiler, Arizona State Did not throw
Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M Did not throw

YEAR: 2011
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58
Andy Dalton, TCU 56
Cam Newton, Auburn 56
Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin 55
Jake Locker, Washington 54
TJ Yates, North Carolina 52
Christian Ponder, Florida St 51
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa 50
Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50
Greg McElroy, Alabama Did not throw
Blaine Gabbert, Missouri Did not throw

YEAR: 2010
Colt McCoy, Texas 56 (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball.
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma Did not throw
Tim Tebow, Florida Did not throw

YEAR: 2009
Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57
Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57
Chase Daniels, Missouri 57
Matt Stafford, Georgia Did not throw

YEAR 2008:
Joe Flacco, Delaware 55
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Greg Cosell said he had a conversation with a former NFL head coach who told him Bills would be crazy not to take Ryan Nassib at 8.
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**** like that scares the hell out of me but then realize he must be on someones payroll.
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Bob McGinn: Rating the NFL draft prospects: Quarterbacks

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QUARTERBACKS

1. GENO SMITH, West Virginia (6-2, 217, 4.58, 1-2) - Started for three seasons...

2. MATT BARKLEY, Southern California (6-2, 231, 4.92, 1-2) - Posted a 34-13 record...

3. E.J. MANUEL, Florida State (6-4, 238, 4.62, 1-2) - Failed to beat out Christian Ponder...

4. RYAN NASSIB, Syracuse (6-2, 228, 4.98, 2-3) - Led the leading QBs on the Wonderlic with...

5. MIKE GLENNON, North Carolina State (6-7, 222, 4.99, 2-3) - Several scouts said he has the best arm...

6. LANDRY JONES, Oklahoma (6-4, 225, 5.09, 3-4) - "Erratic" was a scout's ...

7. TYLER WILSON, Arkansas (6-2, 215, 4.98, 4-5) - Much better in 2011 under coach Bobby Petrino...

8. TYLER BRAY, Tennessee (6-6, 229, 5.07, 4-5) - Third-year junior with a 13-11 record....

9. MATT SCOTT, Arizona (6-2, 212, 4.65, 5) - Benched early in 2010 in favor of Nick Foles...

10. ZAC DYSERT, Miami (Ohio) (6-3, 227, 4.81, 5-6) - Four-sport athlete in Ada, Ohio...

OTHERS: Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah; Jordan Rodgers, Vanderbilt; James Vandenberg, Iowa; Sean Renfree, Duke; Collin Klein, Kansas State; Jeff Tuel, Washington State; Dayne Crist, Kansas; Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech; Alex Carder, Western Michigan.
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There's something wrong with those guns.
Glennon easily has the best arm.

Also, I've recently rewatched 5 Volunteers games the last couple of days (to verify that smoke screen about C Patterson - that director must be a crack head if he truly believes what he claimed and should be fired on the laptop).
Bray was clocked between 50-55, normally closer to 50 than 55.
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Coach, tell me I'm not looking at M.S., Jr. here?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfE52Ef8wsc

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