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Old 02-27-2013   #21
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I don't think either Hunter or Rodgers are NFL ready and I don't think the Texans will pick either in the 1st. If the Texans are looking for a WR to come in and help right away then Hopkins or Allen are their best bet. No, neither one would be an eventual replacement for AJ. But, are we looking for a WR to groom to replace AJ or are we looking for someone to come in and replace K-Dub? There is NO, I repeat, NO, WR in this class that will ever come close to doing what AJ does, on or off the field IMO! If Megatron, Green, or Julio Jones were there and the Texans had a top 10 pick, then heck yeah, but that's not the case.

I can't sit here and tell you that Hopkins or Allen will turn out to be the best WR from this class and that they'll light up the NFL, but I think they are both more NFL ready than either Hunter or Rodgers. And, I think that's what the Texans are looking for, a WR who can come in and, with a little coaching, could start opposite AJ and give them some sure hands, good blocking, good route running, and hopefully a little more speed and play making ability then K-Dub.
No Wr is expected to replace AJ or matched his production this next season, they are expected to be a starting Wr 2 who will match AJ when he leaves in 2-3 years. Rogers does exactly that. Hopkins will never replace AJ as WR1. We may end settling for a good WR2 but why not get one that can become #1? Allen is a possibe WR1 in two years but concern about injury exists.
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No Wr is expected to replace AJ or matched his production this next season, they are expected to be a starting Wr 2 who will match AJ when he leaves in 2-3 years. Rogers does exactly that. Hopkins will never replace AJ as WR1. We may end settling for a good WR2 but why not get one that can become #1? Allen is a possibe WR1 in two years but concern about injury exists.
& probably only reason why Keenan would drop. Just shows even mild ACL impact on speed & cutting ability. If you covet AJ type he has best physical package, blocking & yards after catch.
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I guess I'm the only guy who thinks Hopkins can be a number one. Hopkins is a beast.
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& probably only reason why Keenan would drop. Just shows even mild ACL impact on speed & cutting ability. If you covet AJ type he has best physical package, blocking & yards after catch.
Absolutely correct. If he is 100%, I'd take him over Rogers.
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No Wr is expected to replace AJ or matched his production this next season, they are expected to be a starting Wr 2 who will match AJ when he leaves in 2-3 years. Rogers does exactly that. Hopkins will never replace AJ as WR1. We may end settling for a good WR2 but why not get one that can become #1? Allen is a possibe WR1 in two years but concern about injury exists.
Because Rodgers is not NFL ready and he may never be ready. He lacks discipline on and off the field. Besides, the Texans will never pick him. Allen and Hopkins are more NFL ready and both may have the talent to become the #1 WR. If you compare the Combine #'s of Rodgers and Hopkins, they are close. Rodgers is 1" taller and 3 lbs heavier (Rodgers 6'2" 217, Hopkins 6'1" 214). He ran 0.05 seconds faster in the 40 (Rodgers 4.52, Hopkins 4.57). He did 5 less benches (Rodgers 10, Hopkins 15). He jumped 3.5" higher in the vertical (Rodgers 39.5", Hopkins 36"). But all measurements aside, I think the Texans are looking for someone to come in now and replace K-Dub, not try to bring in AJ's replacement now and let him play K-Dub's spot while he learns. They want to win now and I think Hopkins or Allen give them the best chance at that.
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LSU: 3 for 63 yards; Georgia: 5 for 71; Florida 5 for 62; Arkansas 5 for 106; Vanderbilt 10 for 116; Alabama 2 for 32.

Patterson in 2012: Florida 8 for 75; Georgia 2 for 31; Vanderbilt 3 for 52; Kentucky 4 for 88; did not play Arkansas or LSU; Alabama 1 for 25

Keep in mind that Rogers played for Tech while Patterson played for Vols. with Tyler Bray. maybe it's Patterson who should be drafted in 3rd at best.
The numbers you posted for Rogers were from 2011 while he was at Tennessee. Not when he played for Tennessee Tech in 2012.

If Rogers did not have the drug issues, yes he would be right there with Patterson, Allen, and others. But he did fail those tests, and the others have not. My point is that why would a team take a gamble on Rogers rather than taking a WR that is just as talented that doesn't have the baggage? And realisticly, we know the Texans aren't going to be the team that takes that (unnecessary) gamble.
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While Tyler Bray missed a bunch of games in 2011, Rogers wasn't to get better served with Bray at QB, at least not much. Bray was wildly erratic in 2011.

In either 2011 or 2012, Hunter was the guy that normally stretches the field for the Vols.
In 2011, Rogers made most of his living running the crossing routes and underneath routes with a few deep routes here and there.

I like Rogers, but I don't think his ceiling is as high as Hunter.

The guy that took his place in 2012 was Patterson, who is more explosive before and after the catch. He was also much better with the reverse and the receiver screens.

I don't think Rogers will become a number one.

I'm not sure if I would slot him in the second round with his off-the-field problem.
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The numbers you posted for Rogers were from 2011 while he was at Tennessee. Not when he played for Tennessee Tech in 2012.

If Rogers did not have the drug issues, yes he would be right there with Patterson, Allen, and others. But he did fail those tests, and the others have not. My point is that why would a team take a gamble on Rogers rather than taking a WR that is just as talented that doesn't have the baggage? And realisticly, we know the Texans aren't going to be the team that takes that (unnecessary) gamble.
My mistake but stats comparisons are same and so is my point. Also, Rogers has been clean for a season. I have him rated behind CP and if Allen is 100% behind him but on my board both gone by 27. My position is no other WR is just as talented AND has his size/skills/speed. My next player would be Terrence Williams.
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I don't think Rogers will become a number one.
I'm even saying that. Rogers reminds me some of Eric Moulds, who was a Pro Bowl #1 for the Bills for years. But that's not a sure thing. And add on his baggage, and that makes Rogers a gamble. There are other WRs with high ceiling and low floors. Not a lot of sure thing at WR, or really any position, in this draft. Lots of potential, and Rogers is in that group. If Rogers were there at the bottom of the 3rd (where the Texans have 2 picks), then I would say go for it. The Texans won't, but I would. But 1st round? No way.
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My mistake but stats comparisons are same and so is my point. Also, Rogers has been clean for a season. I have him rated behind CP and if Allen is 100% behind him but on my board both gone by 27. My position is no other WR is just as talented AND has his size/skills/speed. My next player would be Terrence Williams.
Maybe. Do you really know that as a fact? Neither does the NFL. If he's clean for the combine test, that's a positive that could sway a team that's looking for a physical WR in the 2nd round. The Texans could be one of those teams. But, is he head and shoulders above guys like Williams, Hopkins, Woods, Hunter, or Patton? No, and they don't have the bad rap that Rogers has.
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Maybe. Do you really know that as a fact? Neither does the NFL. If he's clean for the combine test, that's a positive that could sway a team that's looking for a physical WR in the 2nd round. The Texans could be one of those teams. But, is he head and shoulders above guys like Williams, Hopkins, Woods, Hunter, or Patton? No, and they don't have the bad rap that Rogers has.
Every one of those players could be off the board when the Texans pick in round two .... I have Rodgers slotted as a late 2nd early 3rd.

I do have to wonder if Bob would take that gamble .... Just saying that I would based upon the tools in the shed and performance on the field.


If taking that gamble at the end of round two allowed me to solidify DT , S or RT a round earlier .... and get a guy compared to Julio Jones I think its a gamble worth taking.
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Maybe. Do you really know that as a fact? Neither does the NFL. If he's clean for the combine test, that's a positive that could sway a team that's looking for a physical WR in the 2nd round. The Texans could be one of those teams. But, is he head and shoulders above guys like Williams, Hopkins, Woods, Hunter, or Patton? No, and they don't have the bad rap that Rogers has.
With Rogers history would not media be all over him saying he passed ten screens if he did not? When evaluating him compared to those you mention:

T. Williams, Hunter and Hopkins imo are outside guys playing the sidelines but not as good at over the middle passes. Rogers as good as any here except Williams.

Woods: I really like and think he is more of an over the middle guy but lacks strength of Rogers

Patton: I see as a Z with short and deep skills but not so much over the middle.

Rogers does it all.
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Maybe. Do you really know that as a fact? Neither does the NFL. If he's clean for the combine test, that's a positive that could sway a team that's looking for a physical WR in the 2nd round. The Texans could be one of those teams. But, is he head and shoulders above guys like Williams, Hopkins, Woods, Hunter, or Patton? No, and they don't have the bad rap that Rogers has.
I agree with Lucky here.
Not only that, even without the baggage, I don't know which of these guys are better than one another.

The only two sure firs rounders for me is Patterson and a healthy Allen.

I love Austin, but I'm not thrilled about his size.
Granted, he can do other things well.
So to me, he also belongs with the second group.

I'd like to wait until their pro days to get a little better read on them.

Right now, I'm not even sure I would take Rogers over Marcus Wheaton or Aaron Dobson. All these guys are different; each brings certain things to the table.

It's so difficult to scout these receivers because of the variables around them.
The QB, the O-line, the competition they faced, the calls that dictate the routes they run, depending on how the games were going.

And there we other factors involved.
Like I can say that Bailey is a real playmaker.
He runs side line route with room to spare for the QB.
He made a lot of tough catches where he had to adjust to the ball, or with tight coverage on him, or because he has to outmuscle or whatever to win the posession, or how he managed to keep both feet in bound, or how he was able to draw an interference call.

Bailey might be a sleeper for whatever reason, but the guy is just a football player and he earned most of the things he got on the field.

Where do we slot him?
It's not that easy.
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Every one of those players could be off the board when the Texans pick in round two .... I have Rodgers slotted as a late 2nd early 3rd.

I do have to wonder if Bob would take that gamble .... Just saying that I would based upon the tools in the shed and performance on the field.


If taking that gamble at the end of round two allowed me to solidify DT , S or RT a round earlier .... and get a guy compared to Julio Jones I think its a gamble worth taking.
I agree with bolded except for safety. I also do not see a RT in first. I have mocked B Williams in first but just cannot convince myself Wade will want to use a first for that. I also think S. Williams will be avail in second if Brandon gone. I want Rogers and Williams and have Rogers rated over the nose at what they bring. To express it better I guess is Da'Rick is a starting 2 that could be WR1 in 2-3 years. Brandon is a starting Nose but not the ceiling that Rogers has.
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I do have to wonder if Bob would take that gamble .... Just saying that I would based upon the tools in the shed and performance on the field.
There's nothing in the Texans' history that suggests they would. I'm not saying the Texans are the most conservative team in the NFL. Just that they are the 32nd least conservative team in the league.
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