Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

thunderkyss · 02-26-2013

With #27?

Let's say the top rated safety is still on the board at 27, do you think the Texans should draft him?

This is what I'm thinking. Danieal didn't have a great 2012. To me, it looked like he was "trying" to be as good as he was in 2011, found himself out of position a lot & his man cover skills are suspect (jmo).

I know Quin is our main cover TE. But Danieal is asked to do it as well, more times than I like, leaving Keo/Demps to play center field. I much rather Manning stay back & play center field.

So let's say we pick the best safety in this draft (I don't know who that would be) & as the best, I'm going to assume he has good man coverage skills, he's versatile enough to play in the box, & he's got pretty good range when needed.

We could start Quin (if we resign/franchise him) start Manning, then on passing downs, bring the rook in, leaving Manning back deep. He'd get playing time, he'll be allowed to acclimate, he'll be "earning" playing time.

If everything works out, we cut Manning after 2013, saving $4.5M against the 2014 cap.

What do you think?

**PapaL** · 02-26-2013

With as often as we use 3 Safety's I would not mind this at all.

I do however like what Manning brings to the team and don't see him being booted anytime soon...especially w our leadership in question since last year's cuts.

aussie_texan · 02-26-2013

the only reason i would be mad is because if we are drafting S in the 1st its because we lost quin in FA

**badboy** · 02-26-2013

Yep pretty mad. Too many lower round guys who are quite satisfactory.

mussop · 02-26-2013

NOPE!! I don't really care what position we draft in the first so long as they start. I really really want one of the top DT's but as long as we are adding high quality starter ill be happy.

steelbtexan · 02-26-2013

Yes I would be mad.

If a S was drafted he wouldn't be a starter. The Texans need a starter coming out of the 1st rd.

TexansSeminole · 02-26-2013

Not at all. Like Papal said, he would be used alot even as a 3rd safety.

WolverineFan · 02-26-2013

I would be ecstatic if we drafted Matt Elam.

Brandon420tx · 02-26-2013

I'd be good with it

Wolf6151 · 02-27-2013

Yes I'd be mad. We've got much bigger holes on the team than backup Safety. I agree we should get better at #3 Safety but not in the 1st round or even the first 3 rounds. There's much bigger needs at NT, WR, ILB, and O-line depth. Besides I want a really tall Safety like TJ McDonald, or a converted CB like Tharold Simon.

greekdbag · 02-27-2013

Yeah, I hope the first four picks include a DT, a WR, an LB, and an OT. Then with their fourth round pick they can get a DB.

TexansSeminole · 02-27-2013

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Originally Posted by Wolf6151

Yes I'd be mad. We've got much bigger holes on the team than backup Safety. I agree we should get better at #3 Safety but not in the 1st round or even the first 3 rounds. There's much bigger needs at NT, WR, ILB, and O-line depth. Besides I want a really tall Safety like TJ McDonald, or a converted CB like Tharold Simon.

Why a really tall safety? I don't understand the thought process behind that.

Also Simon is garbage, he pretty much got beat by every quality receiver he ever faced. He is one of those guys I watched and scratched off my list awhile ago.

I think people are going to be surprised how quickly Manning's game declines. It may not happen this year, but we should prepare for it to happen here in the next two or three years.

Dread-Head · 02-27-2013

So you're asking if I would be upset if the sharks in our shark tank suddenly had lasers attached to their heads? Uh...NO. I'd be doing a happy dance!

Wolf6151 · 02-27-2013

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Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Why a really tall safety? I don't understand the thought process behind that.

Also Simon is garbage, he pretty much got beat by every quality receiver he ever faced. He is one of those guys I watched and scratched off my list awhile ago.

I think people are going to be surprised how quickly Manning's game declines. It may not happen this year, but we should prepare for it to happen here in the next two or three years.

The idea of having a tall Safety is that we'd have better coverage on these new era tall/athletic TE's.

As for Simon, he got burnt by WR's, thus the idea of moving him to Safety so that he can cover TE's on 3rd down situations.

**beerlover** · 02-27-2013

you mean the top rated safety drops to the Texans? I could live with Dee Milliner. I really think that's his best position next level. Rhodes & Banks as well.

Trufant is easily the best CB & I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to Chip Kelly & the Eagles instead of Milliner @ #4. But there are about 4 or 5 CB's I would take over the top classified top safety prospect Kenny Vaccaro. Like BB said plenty of good safeties later as well, not the smartest move, IMO.

**Playoffs** · 02-27-2013

Milliner, Trufant, and Vaccaro will be off the board before 27. Maybe more, so we won't have a shot at the top rated DBs.

thunderkyss · 02-27-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

Yes I'd be mad. We've got much bigger holes on the team than backup Safety.

In the short term, I agree. We have much bigger needs. However, the salary cap won't be going up next season either & cutting or trading Danieal Manning would save us $4.5M against the cap.

Right now, we're in trouble if we aren't able to hold on to Glover Quin & even though franchising will hurt cap position, we may not have a choice... at least not a good choice.

The time to prepare for possibly losing Danieal Manning is now. If his replacement is already on the team, then we have options next offseason we don't have now with our Quin situation.

**badboy** · 02-28-2013

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Originally Posted by beerlover

you mean the top rated safety drops to the Texans? I could live with Dee Milliner. I really think that's his best position next level. Rhodes & Banks as well.

Trufant is easily the best CB & I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to Chip Kelly & the Eagles instead of Milliner @ #4. But there are about 4 or 5 CB's I would take over the top classified top safety prospect Kenny Vaccaro. Like BB said plenty of good safeties later as well, not the smartest move, IMO.

100% agree with your evaluation of DBs. Banks cost himself a bit of $ during his combine. I wished we could get Trufant somehow and still get NT and WR. I guess it is possible especially if we could end up with 3 second round picks.

JimBaker488 · 03-01-2013

Absolutely

Corrosion · 03-02-2013

I wouldnt be bothered by it at all .... With as much as they play nickle and dime coverage I think its a good investment even if they retain Quin which I really hope they do as he is key to what they do on the back end.

The other needs they have like WR and ILB have depth and value into the 3rd and 4th rounds respectively.

The only issue I'd have is not getting one of the top NT's .... but they might be able to fill that void in FA - Dont see Cody returning as the cost and injury issues just dont add up.

Ideally you would trade out of the first round to an early #2 and pick up two of NT , WR , S.

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thunderkyss Hopkins Beyatch Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pt Arthur Texas Age: 40 Posts: 25,712 Rep Power: 51478	Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety With #27? Let's say the top rated safety is still on the board at 27, do you think the Texans should draft him? This is what I'm thinking. Danieal didn't have a great 2012. To me, it looked like he was "trying" to be as good as he was in 2011, found himself out of position a lot & his man cover skills are suspect (jmo). I know Quin is our main cover TE. But Danieal is asked to do it as well, more times than I like, leaving Keo/Demps to play center field. I much rather Manning stay back & play center field. So let's say we pick the best safety in this draft (I don't know who that would be) & as the best, I'm going to assume he has good man coverage skills, he's versatile enough to play in the box, & he's got pretty good range when needed. We could start Quin (if we resign/franchise him) start Manning, then on passing downs, bring the rook in, leaving Manning back deep. He'd get playing time, he'll be allowed to acclimate, he'll be "earning" playing time. If everything works out, we cut Manning after 2013, saving $4.5M against the 2014 cap. What do you think? __________________ I swear it's for real this time!

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mussop Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,315 Rep Power: 10291	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety NOPE!! I don't really care what position we draft in the first so long as they start. I really really want one of the top DT's but as long as we are adding high quality starter ill be happy. __________________ "I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." Albert Einstein

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steelbtexan Hall of Fame Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 50 Posts: 8,865 Rep Power: 22920	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety Yes I would be mad. If a S was drafted he wouldn't be a starter. The Texans need a starter coming out of the 1st rd.

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TexansSeminole Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 25 Posts: 6,862 Rep Power: 10437	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety Not at all. Like Papal said, he would be used alot even as a 3rd safety.

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WolverineFan Hall of Fame Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 1,391 Rep Power: 5233	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety I would be ecstatic if we drafted Matt Elam. __________________ "Those who stay will be champions." - The Immortal Bo

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PapaL Loose Screw Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 8,629 Rep Power: 16635	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety With as often as we use 3 Safety's I would not mind this at all. I do however like what Manning brings to the team and don't see him being booted anytime soon...especially w our leadership in question since last year's cuts. __________________ Tried and true, I'm rep'in Texan (Steel) Blue.

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aussie_texan All Pro Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 751 Rep Power: 5876	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety the only reason i would be mad is because if we are drafting S in the 1st its because we lost quin in FA

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badboy Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Clear Lake Posts: 19,004 Rep Power: 30910	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety Yep pretty mad. Too many lower round guys who are quite satisfactory. __________________ The sound of marine engines and superchargers soon shall fill the air!

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Wolf6151 Hall of Fame Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pearland, Texas Posts: 2,706 Rep Power: 6036	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety Yes I'd be mad. We've got much bigger holes on the team than backup Safety. I agree we should get better at #3 Safety but not in the 1st round or even the first 3 rounds. There's much bigger needs at NT, WR, ILB, and O-line depth. Besides I want a really tall Safety like TJ McDonald, or a converted CB like Tharold Simon.

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greekdbag Veteran Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 109 Rep Power: 1794	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety Yeah, I hope the first four picks include a DT, a WR, an LB, and an OT. Then with their fourth round pick they can get a DB.

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Dread-Head Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Houston Texas baby! Age: 43 Posts: 12,692 Rep Power: 42573	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety So you're asking if I would be upset if the sharks in our shark tank suddenly had lasers attached to their heads? Uh...NO. I'd be doing a happy dance! __________________ Why attack a man for his race or religion when there are so many other PERFECTLY good reasons? Dread-Head. Texan from DAY ONE & PROUD Honorary Blue Crew member..."Damn it Bill!"

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beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,357 Rep Power: 15075	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety you mean the top rated safety drops to the Texans? I could live with Dee Milliner. I really think that's his best position next level. Rhodes & Banks as well. Trufant is easily the best CB & I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to Chip Kelly & the Eagles instead of Milliner @ #4. But there are about 4 or 5 CB's I would take over the top classified top safety prospect Kenny Vaccaro. Like BB said plenty of good safeties later as well, not the smartest move, IMO. __________________ 2012 Draft was Mercilus

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Playoffs Subscribed Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7,288 Rep Power: 52089	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety Milliner, Trufant, and Vaccaro will be off the board before 27. Maybe more, so we won't have a shot at the top rated DBs.

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Corrosion Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northwest Houston Age: 44 Posts: 26,942 Rep Power: 58096	Re: Would you be mad if the Texans drafted the top rated Safety I wouldnt be bothered by it at all .... With as much as they play nickle and dime coverage I think its a good investment even if they retain Quin which I really hope they do as he is key to what they do on the back end. The other needs they have like WR and ILB have depth and value into the 3rd and 4th rounds respectively. The only issue I'd have is not getting one of the top NT's .... but they might be able to fill that void in FA - Dont see Cody returning as the cost and injury issues just dont add up. Ideally you would trade out of the first round to an early #2 and pick up two of NT , WR , S. __________________ I have no tolerance for stupidity.

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