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He is 214 pounds. Where did you read that he lost weight?
That's what Mayock said .
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I've heard the official times are always slow and not used by scouts. Supposedly unofficial are more realistic, but hand times by scouts are the standard and often lower. So I go by "unofficial" times.

We'll get pro day times that'll tell the tale.
Unofficial times are just that, times recorded by the participants agents, college coachs, and friends & relatives with an agenda to elevate the players Draft stock as much as possible. And they are also hand-timed which means they almost always overstate performace, a favorite ploy by NFL Network personnel to hype the performances and thereby stimulate cable viewership.
On the other hand, official times are electronically recorded which means they are objective and consistent and therefor more reliable and fair than the unofficial versions.
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RB Onterio McCalebb ran an unofficial 4.27 (first) and 4.21 (second). Will have to wait until official time comes in to see if he bests CJ.
168 lbs running back? Impressive time, but...
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That's what Mayock said .
No, Earl; he actually weighed in at 9 lbs heavier than what he was listed by the various scouting site like NFL Draft Scout; which was why I said yesterday that I want to find out how fast he can run with the additional weight.
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That's what Mayock said .
That's interesting. I wonder what he weighed during the season.
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Unofficial times are just that, times recorded by the participants agents, college coachs, and friends & relatives with an agenda to elevate the players Draft stock as much as possible. And they are also hand-timed which means they almost always overstate performace, a favorite ploy by NFL Network personnel to hype the performances and thereby stimulate cable viewership.
On the other hand, official times are electronically recorded which means they are objective and consistent and therefor more reliable and fair than the unofficial versions.
Nope. NFL Network uses a single source for unofficial times, and it's not agents/college coaches/relatives.

"Official" times are started on first movement -- any movement, even if it it not forward. Some guys move their off hand first, or rock backward. That is why "official" times are typically higher, very rarely lower.

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Want to know what NFL teams consider an official 40 time? The one their guy with their stopwatch brings back to them. Many teams use the exact same scout for 40 times year in and year out and trust his index finger more than anyone in the business. They go through pains to keep the same stopwatch in working condition and make sure he's standing in the same spot every year.

Teams could care less what an "official" time from the combine is.
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Those who participate in the 40 run twice, and on each run they are timed by two hand-held stopwatches and one electronic timer (that is actually initiated by hand on the player's first movement). Combine data put together for NFL teams by National Scouting includes all six of those times for each player, but no single official time.
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I really wonder how they feel about Newt as the long-term answer at RT ?
If they have reservations, I think we could actually see them using their top pick for a Lane Johnson IF he was still on their Board at 27 ?
After his impressive performance at the combine Johnson will go 7 to Arizona, 11 San Diego or 20 at the latest Bears.

If he's there at 27 Rick should personally run the card up to God'ell.
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That's interesting. I wonder what he weighed during the season.
205; now weighing in at 214
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Nope. NFL Network uses a single source for unofficial times, and it's not agents/college coaches/relatives.

"Official" times are started on first movement -- any movement, even if it it not forward. Some guys move their off hand first, or rock backward. That is why "official" times are typically higher, very rarely lower.
I'm not sure I like the electronic timer. The guy who's able to push off with both hand and foot at the same time gets the "extra" advantage that is already built in with the good stance/get off in the first place.
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I'm not sure I like the electronic timer. The guy who's able to push off with both hand and foot at the same time gets the "extra" advantage that is already built in with the good stance/get off in the first place.
Me neither.

Seems like they could set an electronic start & finish timer. Maybe have a line just past the setup line to trigger the start then add 1 tenth (or whatever).

Or why not use a start sound like track? Players fire off QB's voice.

Those would improve the times the viewer gets, but the scout I spoke with said teams will always use their guy.
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No, Earl; he actually weighed in at 9 lbs heavier than what he was listed by the various scouting site like NFL Draft Scout; which was why I said yesterday that I want to find out how fast he can run with the additional weight.
They all weigh 205 according to the programs .

http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/WR.php
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Me neither.

Seems like they could set an electronic start & finish timer. Maybe have a line just past the setup line to trigger the start then add 1 tenth (or whatever).

Or why not use a start sound like track? Players fire off QB's voice.

Those would improve the times the viewer gets, but the scout I spoke with said teams will always use their guy.
Yeah, I can understand why teams would rather use their guy to do their own timing with a stop watch.
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They all weigh 205 according to the programs .

http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/WR.php
LOL, there sure are a lot of guys listed at 205 on that list.
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I'm going to say I weigh 205 .
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Nope. NFL Network uses a single source for unofficial times, and it's not agents/college coaches/relatives.

"Official" times are started on first movement -- any movement, even if it it not forward. Some guys move their off hand first, or rock backward. That is why "official" times are typically higher, very rarely lower.
Track meets, especially the most prominent meets like the Olympics haven't used hand-held timers for decades simply because they are less accurate, more inconsistant, and less reliable than electronic timers. Their is but one reason to continue with this archaic technology in events like the Indy Combine which is to record faster times.
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Between this, Jones's stock falling, and Moore benching as much as I did in high school, it has not been a good combine for DL.
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Deandre Hopkins, Cobi Hamilton, and Goard to a lesser extent popped out of that first group for me.

Hopkins owns it. Cleanest looking guy out there by a good bit, to me.
Add Quiton Patton & Robert Woods to my impressed list.

Watching back, I have to say my predisposition in favor of height had me overlooking Tavon Austin. The kid looked good -- with his 30" arms & 5'9".
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Add Quiton Patton & Robert Woods to my impressed list.

Watching back, I have to say my predisposition in favor of height had me overlooking Tavon Austin. The kid looked good -- with his 30" arms & 5'9".
Those guys , to me are 2nd rd picks . Having said that , good teams take a luxury like Austin in the 1st rd and burn you with him .

I think Hunter is the wildcard because he's 6'4 . He also hit a 4.4 , 39.5 vertical , and 11' something broad jump . If he doesn't get hurt in 2011 , he would be a lock in the 1st .
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Between this, Jones's stock falling, and Moore benching as much as I did in high school, it has not been a good combine for DL.
It just shows you A&M's science dept in HGH isn't up to snuff .

Look what Jared Allen benched at the combine .
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