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Old 02-13-2013   #61
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Barkley isn't the most athletic QB out there, but his feet are good enough for the WCO.
And no, he doesn't have an average arm like Schaub. Like I said, his range is about 7 yards deeper than Schaub.
He has slow feet. When defenders are at his feet, he can't pick them up,move,and throw an accurate ball. His arm avg unless he gets a perfect pocket. Even then the ball doesn't explode off his hand.
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He has slow feet. When defenders are at his feet, he can't pick them up,move,and throw an accurate ball. His arm avg unless he gets a perfect pocket. Even then the ball doesn't explode off his hand.
You have Schaub here and you worry about Barkley's feet?

With a pretty good offensive line in 2010, Barkley suffered only 8 sacks.
This past year, with the departure of a couple Senior, the injury to Holmes, the rotation at LT as I had mentioned, and having 3 different guys at LG, Barkley was pressured much more, especially up the A gaps (probably the most of among all the QBs in this class, or at least among the top) and he was sacked only 14 times in 11 games. For a QB in a pro system that is asked to go downfield quite often, that's really good.
No, he doesn't have the best mobility in the world, but he's much better than Schaub in this regard (and he's better in other regards, too).

I don't know whether you were trying to knit pick or what.
Barkley may not be a franchise QB, but he's quite likely to become a better pro QB than Schaub.

The QB has got to be able to reset his feet when going through his progression, and his completion rate shows that he's more accurate than you indicate (and that's with receivers dropping more balls for him than other Receivers did for their QBs).
And we're not talking about a guy like whathisname from Boise St the year before who seldom throw a deep pass.

What's the anatomy of a deep ball?
On a 3-step drop in the shotgun or a 7-step drop from under center, the QB has got to have good footwork to make it work well.
To get the ball downfield some 50-52 yards from the LOS (and 60 yards plus in the air) in some 6 seconds such that the receiver can catch it in stride requires a pretty strong arm. (There are other factors that can compensate: a premium angle, a quick release, good throwing mechanics that involve the legs and the arms - but still, they are all tied up together; and your assertions are scientifically impossible.)
No, Barkley doesn't have the arm strength of Jamarcus Russell or Mike Glennon; but he has plenty to do the job.
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You have Schaub here and you worry about Barkley's feet?

With a pretty good offensive line in 2010, Barkley suffered only 8 sacks.
This past year, with the departure of a couple Senior, the injury to Holmes, the rotation at LT as I had mentioned, and having 3 different guys at LG, Barkley was pressured much more, especially up the A gaps (probably the most of among all the QBs in this class, or at least among the top) and he was sacked only 14 times in 11 games. For a QB in a pro system that is asked to go downfield quite often, that's really good.
No, he doesn't have the best mobility in the world, but he's much better than Schaub in this regard (and he's better in other regards, too).

I don't know whether you were trying to knit pick or what.
Barkley may not be a franchise QB, but he's quite likely to become a better pro QB than Schaub.

The QB has got to be able to reset his feet when going through his progression, and his completion rate shows that he's more accurate than you indicate (and that's with receivers dropping more balls for him than other Receivers did for their QBs).
And we're not talking about a guy like whathisname from Boise St the year before who seldom throw a deep pass.

What's the anatomy of a deep ball?
On a 3-step drop in the shotgun or a 7-step drop from under center, the QB has got to have good footwork to make it work well.
To get the ball downfield some 50-52 yards from the LOS (and 60 yards plus in the air) in some 6 seconds such that the receiver can catch it in stride requires a pretty strong arm. (There are other factors that can compensate: a premium angle, a quick release, good throwing mechanics that involve the legs and the arms - but still, they are all tied up together; and your assertions are scientifically impossible.)
No, Barkley doesn't have the arm strength of Jamarcus Russell or Mike Glennon; but he has plenty to do the job.
I've watched enough of barkley even before the foolishness of people talking about him going before rg3. His reset combined with his arm talent leave a lot tobe desired. If we're talking about taking a guy in the 1st rd to be a franchise qb,that's not him. He will need a lot,just as much s schaub to be successful in the nfl. When he gets to the combine and he throws,it will solidify what most people already know about him. He has. 3rd rd arm. His deep ball will be consist on throwing the ball in front way before the route to get it there.
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USC QB's have some kind of aura of failure around them. Palmer was good until his knee got shredded in the playoffs, but other than that . . . yeesh.
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Potential WR prospect for the Texans in the 2013 NFL Draft?

Justin Hunter - WO - Tennessee

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Potential WR prospect for the Texans in the 2013 NFL Draft?

Justin Hunter - WO - Tennessee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW9_vnIO6nw
I really like Hunter, his athleticism far exceeds most others but he's not perfect. He doesn't have an NFL body, needs to add some muscle/bulk without losing that athleticism. I also question his route tree, how many routes can he run effectively, and question his explosiveness in and out of his breaks. I'd gladly trade up in the high 2nd round and take him. I think he's one of those guys that 2 yrs. from now could be an excellent NFL #1WR for some team, with some work. He just needs some polishing, but he's got all the raw talent.
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I've seen Tavon Auston WR, WV given to the Texans in a few mocks
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I've seen Tavon Auston WR, WV given to the Texans in a few mocks
JMO but he's to small and hopefully won't be a Texan. I don't think the Texans would be looking for a small WR in the 1st, if they did I'd be shocked. Those mocks are probably by people who don't follow the Texans closely but know that we need a WR and give him to us when he's the next available one on the list.
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The more I watch, the more I like this draft class (and I have been high on the class already.)

We may have to draft two or three of them, LOL.

Pull up the recent highlights of Dobson and watch his leaping backhand (one-handed) catch at the end and tell me it's not one of the most impressive catches you've seen.
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I haven't seen anyone mention DeAndre Hopkins yet. I've seen him mocked a few times to HOU. Read up on him yesterday and the reports all seemed consistent in his athleticism, route running, separation and catching abilities. One report said he seemed shy going over the middle but most made it a point to mention he had no problems in the middle of the field. Sorry I didn't think to bookmark anything but all I did was google his name.

He was consistently listed as a late 1st round to early 2nd talent.

What are you guy's thoughts about him?
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I haven't seen anyone mention DeAndre Hopkins yet. I've seen him mocked a few times to HOU. Read up on him yesterday and the reports all seemed consistent in his athleticism, route running, separation and catching abilities. One report said he seemed shy going over the middle but most made it a point to mention he had no problems in the middle of the field. Sorry I didn't think to bookmark anything but all I did was google his name.

He was consistently listed as a late 1st round to early 2nd talent.

What are you guy's thoughts about him?
Really good WR, he wont ever be a #1 but he's better than anythig on the current roster outside of AJ.

I like Hunter/Patton/Rodgers more. (they have upside to eventually become #1's)
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I just found a site ( http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2013/WR ) where the receivers "workout" 40 times are posted. Terrance Williams was posted as having run a 4.49, one of the faster times of the top receivers. Has the receivers run their 40's at the combine? Up until now, most of the rankings had Williams roughly in the 5 to 7 area, towards the bottom of the first round, the worry being questions on his speed. He may have just jumped up the boards to the 3 to 5 area, probably just beyond our selection. My biggest concern is his hands, they are really small at 8 3/4". Thoughts?
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I just found a site ( http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2013/WR ) where the receivers "workout" 40 times are posted. Terrance Williams was posted as having run a 4.49, one of the faster times of the top receivers. Has the receivers run their 40's at the combine? Up until now, most of the rankings had Williams roughly in the 5 to 7 area, towards the bottom of the first round, the worry being questions on his speed. He may have just jumped up the boards to the 3 to 5 area, probably just beyond our selection. My biggest concern is his hands, they are really small at 8 3/4". Thoughts?
No. I don't think the receivers will run until tomorrow or Mon.

I didn't see T. Williams having problems with dropped balls or catching them, but you never know when he starts seeing more competed situations in the pros.

I would love to get Sammy Watkins next year. That guy was said to have 10-3/4 hands and he's fast like a cheetah.
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I'm starting to like DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson 6'-1" 214. The more I watch the more I like. Good play speed, strong hands, physical of the line when challenged and a willing blocker.
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Really good WR, he wont ever be a #1 but he's better than anythig on the current roster outside of AJ.

I like Hunter/Patton/Rodgers more. (they have upside to eventually become #1's)
I've seen Quinton Patton mocked to the Texans a few times. Do you think he'll still be on the board @27?
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I've seen Quinton Patton mocked to the Texans a few times. Do you think he'll still be on the board @27?
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He probably will be there in the middle of the 2nd rd.

Would you be willing to trade a 3rd/5th to move up to say 47-50 range to pick him?
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Another sleeper who is likely to see his stock rise is Tyrone Goard who measured in at 6'7 (but only 205 lbs and 8-5/8 hands) instead of the listed 6'4 from the school bio.

I heard that he's pretty fast.
Let's see if he can run in the 4'50.

Note that Eastern Kentucky is a run-first offense, with the QB attempted just some 220 passes all year.
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He probably will be there in the middle of the 2nd rd.

Would you be willing to trade a 3rd/5th to move up to say 47-50 range to pick him?
Would giving up picks 81 & 135 be better in the long run than what some would consider reaching in the first? I'm not a draft guru but something says to acquire picks as opposed to trading them away. Serious question.
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It's pretty simple, just draft the guy who can go deep and catch the underthrown pass
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Another sleeper who is likely to see his stock rise is Tyrone Goard who measured in at 6'7 (but only 205 lbs and 8-5/8 hands) instead of the listed 6'4 from the school bio.

I heard that he's pretty fast.
Let's see if he can run in the 4'50.

Note that Eastern Kentucky is a run-first offense, with the QB attempted just some 220 passes all year.
Dang, he ran a 4.44
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