Texans Lead NFL.......in RUNS on 3rd And Long

[Uncle Rico]

kubiak needs another competent offensive football mind around him instead of his buddies. he needs a guy who will be blunt and brutally honest and not just pander to the 'system'. when its not working, and kubester is stuck in the headlights, he needs someone to slap him out of it. i dont know who, but a REAL OC would be a start.

i really think that the year or two when shanahan jr was calling the plays it was the most creative and productive with the lesser talent. gary needs to manage the game and stay in tune with everything thats going on, not just one side of the ball.

[tru80texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

To be fair, you should probably go back to Belichick in Cleveland & Dungy in Tampa.



I don't know about that. He's only had 2 losing seasons, both 6-10 (12-20), then two 8-8 seasons (28-36), a 9-7 season (37-43), a 10-6 season (47-49), & a 12-4 season (59-53). He's got a .527 win percentage after 112 games. I'm sure there are a lot of coaches who would take that.

To be fair, Gruden's Super Bowl team was assembled by Dungy. A talented underachieving team that needed a HC change to get over the hump to reach its potential. Hmmmmm...sounds a bit familiar. Just need a head coaching change to complete the puzzle.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by tru80texan

Wade is a constant reminder to Kubiak on just how lucky he has been because I believe had he been in any other town w/ any other owner kubiak would most definitely would've already been an OC as opposed to being a HC. Others have been fired despite accomplishing more. No doubting that.

True. Doesn't mean they made the right decision though. The Buccaneers have been treading water since Gruden left, the Cowboys... well, let's just say Texans' fans laugh at the Cowboys, especially since Wade left.

Remember back in 2006, there were 10 new head coaches. Only 3 of those guys are still employed as head coaches & those teams are much better off than the 7 teams who fired their coaches at least once since 2006.

The Packers, The Saints, The Texans, all have the same head coaches that were hired in 2006.

The Lions, the Bills, the Rams, the Chiefs, the Vikings, the Jets, & the Raiders aren't any better now than they were in 2006, none of them are closer to a Super Bowl than we are. Only the Jets had more success, two AFC Championship games, never won their division, in that time.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

True. Doesn't mean they made the right decision though. The Buccaneers have been threading water since Gruden left, the Cowboys... well, let's just say Texans' fans laugh at the Cowboys, especially since Wade left.

Remember back in 2006, there were 10 new head coaches. Only 3 of those guys are still employed as head coaches & those teams are much better off than the 7 teams who fired their coaches at least once since 2006.

The Packers, The Saints, The Texans, all have the same head coaches that were hired in 2006.

The Lions, the Bills, the Rams, the Chiefs, the Vikings, the Jets, & the Raiders aren't any better now than they were in 2006, none of them are closer to a Super Bowl than we are. Only the Jets had more success, two AFC Championship games, never won their division, in that time.

This is why Uncle Bob, rightly or wrongly (I'm going with rightly), believes in organizational stability.

Back to the original topic...

That stat is worthless without context. And the linked article provide absolutely none.
These questions have been asked - and ignored by the bashers - by others during the flow of this thread. So, by way of summary, here they are again:
1. What end of the field were we on? Were we deep in our own territory? Midfield? Redzone? Goal line?
2. How much time was left in the game and were we ahead or behind? If we're up double digits late in the fourth quarter, then so what?
3. How had the opposing defense been playing us? More specifically, how were they playing us in each given situation? Was the pass rush squad on the field? Then hell yeah, I might run a draw or run right at the pass-rush specialist.
4. Finally, how many of those runs were a check off decisions by Schaub because he thought a run had a better chance of success than the pass play that had been called by Kubiak??

Without context, that stat means next to nothing. Except to restart Kubiak bashing.

But that was your intent from the beginning, wasn't Jean? You sneaky devil.


Edit: Oh and that stat says we still passed 4 out of 5 times on third down. Who cares if it leads the league. The league average includes all the sucky teams that HAD to pass on third down because they were behind most of the game and/or had crap for a running attack so passing was the lesser of two evils.

[tru80texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

True. Doesn't mean they made the right decision though. The Buccaneers have been threading water since Gruden left, the Cowboys... well, let's just say Texans' fans laugh at the Cowboys, especially since Wade left.

Remember back in 2006, there were 10 new head coaches. Only 3 of those guys are still employed as head coaches & those teams are much better off than the 7 teams who fired their coaches at least once since 2006.

Thee Packers, The Saints, The Texans, all have the same head coaches that were hired in 2006.

The Lions, the Bills, the Rams, the Chiefs, the Vikings, the Jets, & the Raiders aren't any better now than they were in 2006, none of them are closer to a Super Bowl than we are. Only the Jets had more success, two AFC Championship games, never won their division, in that time.

There is one huge difference that explains why the Saints & Packers are different from the Texans....Super Bowl appearences & wins maybe. Once again another example of how we glorify small accomplishments in attempt to justify the job kubiak has done thus far. He has not produced what McCarthy & Payton have & assuming he deserves the same lattitude seems foolish to me.

Once again, other HC's have been fired by their teams despite doing equal to or better jobs then kubiak has done. Plain & simple.Todd Haley, Raheem Morris, & Tony Sparano all took their teams to the playoffs in less time then Kubiak & were ultimately fired before kubiak. Others such as Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, & Pete Carroll have also turned their teams around in much shorter periods of time then Kubiak & ultimately returned their respective teams to playoffs as well. Obviously some amongst that latter group have not only won the much coveted division title that we glorify in Houston, but they have taken it a step further winning Conference Championships & the Super Bowl. Hard to believe, but its true. Once again, all these accomplishments in less time then kubiak has had.

Kubiak is w/out a doubt a "baby steps" type of coach who is very fortunate that he works for an owner that accepts those baby steps as "progress" & has a fan base that glorifies them as well. I think this team is underachieving compared to others & I believe it starts at the top w/ a HC who is too occupied w/ being everyone's buddy as opposed to making the moves necessary to get this team to the next level. Coaches & players. Marciano is a perfect example as was Frank Bush & Richard Smith. Walter & possibly Schaub could examples of his player decisions.

Side note- Mentioning the Lions as 1 of your failed organizations is hardly fair when you compare Schwartz's progress to Kubiak's. Schwartz progressed every season & returned a dismal Lions team to the playoffs, 3rd season, in less time then Kubiak accomplished it. Schwartz then regressed this season but how is that any different the kubiak in 2010? If anything most could say Schwartz is doing a better job then kubiak did early on. Just saying...

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by tru80texan

There is one huge difference that explains why the Saints & Packers are different from the Texans....Super Bowl appearences & wins maybe. Once again another example of how we glorify small accomplishments in attempt to justify the job kubiak has done thus far. He has not produced what McCarthy & Payton have & assuming he deserves the same lattitude seems foolish to me.

I never said Kubiak deserved any lattitude, only credit for what he has done. You're pretty good about pointing out all the bad, but there's some good in their as well. This organization is a lot better of than it was in 2006. That was my point, that can't be denied.

Originally Posted by tru80texan

Once again, other HC's have been fired by their teams despite doing equal to or better jobs then kubiak has done. Plain & simple.Todd Haley, Raheem Morris, & Tony Sparano all took their teams to the playoffs in less time then Kubiak & were ultimately fired before kubiak. Others such as Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, & Pete Carroll have also turned their teams around in much shorter periods of time then Kubiak & ultimately returned their respective teams to playoffs as well. Obviously some amongst that latter group have not only won the much coveted division title that we glorify in Houston, but they have taken it a step further winning Conference Championships & the Super Bowl. Hard to believe, but its true. Once again, all these accomplishments in less time then kubiak has had.

Again, each situation is different. We have an owner who didn't know the business of football when he got the team, knew even less four years later when Casserly & Capers left. Then we replace the crappiest GM in the league with a guy who never been a GM before, & our new head coach is also learning on the job. There's more to building a football team than putting a bunch of guys on the field & giving them a motivational speech, you know that.

Originally Posted by tru80texan

Kubiak is w/out a doubt a "baby steps" type of coach who is very fortunate that he works for an owner that accepts those baby steps as "progress" & has a fan base that glorifies them as well. I think this team is underachieving compared to others & I believe it starts at the top w/ a HC who is too occupied w/ being everyone's buddy as opposed to making the moves necessary to get this team to the next level. Coaches & players. Marciano is a perfect example as was Frank Bush & Richard Smith. Walter & possibly Schaub could examples of his player decisions.

They may very well be the case & just like there are teams that found instant success with new head coaches in less time than Kubiak, there are some that have done worse. The Cowboys, two years running they lose the last game of the year & the division (Last year, 9-7 won the division, 2012 10-6 won the division). Buffalo continues to spiral into the CFL, KC...... ten years later & no QB, no coach.

I'm not saying it was the right decision to keep Kubiak, but I like where the organization is now, compared to where the teams that hired new head coaches in 2006 & continue to play the HC carousel are.

Originally Posted by tru80texan

Side note- Mentioning the Lions as 1 of your failed organizations is hardly fair when you compare Schwartz's progress to Kubiak's. Schwartz progressed every season & returned a dismal Lions team to the playoffs, 3rd season, in less time then Kubiak accomplished it. Schwartz then regressed this season but how is that any different the kubiak in 2010? If anything most could say Schwartz is doing a better job then kubiak did early on. Just saying...

I'd fire Schwartz because he does not appear to have control of that locker room, can't control his players, & he embarrasses the organization at least twice a year with his goofy rants. The only progress the Lions have made in the time that Schwartz has been there, is Stafford & Cj and that's probably more on the players than the coach. I may be wrong, tell me what other improvements have been made since Schawrtz has been with the Lions. 4 years into it, I could tell you that our offense had improved, I could tell you that our talent level had improved.

But, as far as not being fair, I wasn't comparing Kubiak to Schwartz, I'm comparing the Texans to the Lions since 2006.

[tru80texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I never said Kubiak deserved any lattitude, only credit for what he has done. You're pretty good about pointing out all the bad, but there's some good in their as well. This organization is a lot better of than it was in 2006. That was my point, that can't be denied.



Again, each situation is different. We have an owner who didn't know the business of football when he got the team, knew even less four years later when Casserly & Capers left. Then we replace the crappiest GM in the league with a guy who never been a GM before, & our new head coach is also learning on the job. There's more to building a football team than putting a bunch of guys on the field & giving them a motivational speech, you know that.



They may very well be the case & just like there are teams that found instant success with new head coaches in less time than Kubiak, there are some that have done worse. The Cowboys, two years running they lose the last game of the year & the division (Last year, 9-7 won the division, 2012 10-6 won the division). Buffalo continues to spiral into the CFL, KC...... ten years later & no QB, no coach.

I'm not saying it was the right decision to keep Kubiak, but I like where the organization is now, compared to where the teams that hired new head coaches in 2006 & continue to play the HC carousel are.



I'd fire Schwartz because he does not appear to have control of that locker room, can't control his players, & he embarrasses the organization at least twice a year with his goofy rants. The only progress the Lions have made in the time that Schwartz has been there, is Stafford & Cj and that's probably more on the players than the coach. I may be wrong, tell me what other improvements have been made since Schawrtz has been with the Lions. 4 years into it, I could tell you that our offense had improved, I could tell you that our talent level had improved.

But, as far as not being fair, I wasn't comparing Kubiak to Schwartz, I'm comparing the Texans to the Lions since 2006.

I'm simply pointing out facts. Don't shoot the messanger because they are all not pleasant & some choose to forget & ignore history. It may be negative, but that's not my doing. And at what point do we finally turn the corner & expect & want more from our team & quit using the tired excuse "we are better then we were in the capers/ casserly years"? At some point MOST would believe the bar has to be raised & that crutch of an excuse for underachieving has to give way imo. That could just be me though...

Let's please not act as if kubiak has worked miracles & dealt w/ circumstances that no other new HC's have not dealt with. It sounds good for dramatic purposes, but some of the HC's I mentioned earlier have dealt with franchises that were obviously headed in the wrong direction & they were capable of turning them around quicker. Kubiak is hardly the measuring stick on how long it should take a HC to turn around a franchise because others have done it quicker w/ teams that at one point seemed just as pathetic as the Texans before kubiak.

You would fire Schwartz for losing control of the team...that's interesting. And how do think kubiak's leadership was perceived in the past when he had not only 1 BUT 2 players suspended for violating the drug policy to go along w/ a team that found every possible way to lose a game in 2010 & then topped it off in the same season against the Titans, of all teams, to have a complete meltdown that led many to believe the team quit on kubiak in route to a defeat...oh & let's not forget...that's the same game that Cushing & Antonio got into a shoving match on the field that ultimately got the Texans penalized. LOL! That was the lowest of lows for me that season & yet you suggest firing Schwartz for losing control of a team, but keeping kubiak after all that was ok. A bit of a double standard, don't you think?

I guess its safe to say...we will have to agree to disagree.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by tru80texan

And at what point do we finally turn the corner & expect & want more from our team & quit using the tired excuse "we are better then we were in the capers/ casserly years"? At some point MOST would believe the bar has to be raised & that crutch of an excuse for underachieving has to give way imo. That could just be me though...

I'm pretty sure the bar has been raised. I am not using anything as a crutch. You're suggesting that we should have parted ways with Kubiak a long time ago. I wouldn't have been surprised had he been fired myself. But he wasn't.

I'm just pointing out that there is no guarantee we would be better off had we fired him. Would you be happy if we swapped places with the Lions? Since 2006 our franchise went the way as their's did & their franchise went the way ours did?

I have a feeling you'd be upset with McNair for not being able to find the "right" coach & making it to the play offs once since 2006 & being one & done at that. Your argument would be that 3 teams hired a head coach in 2006 that took their teams to multiple division championships, past the wild card round, & two of those teams won Super Bowls, while Bob McNair baby steps his way to a 4-12 season. You'd be calling for Schwartz head after 4 years, 3 of which were losing seasons (where Kubiak has only had 2 losing season after 7).

Now you're complaining that we didn't get past the divisional round of the play offs. The bar has been raised.

Originally Posted by tru80texan

You would fire Schwartz for losing control of the team... A bit of a double standard, don't you think?

Not at all, I'd have fired Kubiak after the 2010 season myself, but I understand why McNair didn't & I think his plan worked out better than mine would have.

I'm disappointed that we lost 3 of our last 4 games. I'm disappointed we didn't win home field advantage. I'm disappointed we didn't get past the divisional round. I'm disappointed we didn't win the Super Bowl. I'm shocked that coach Joe Marciano wasn't fired or resigned due to health issues. I'm scared, that we may have missed the best opportunities to win a Super Bowl (2011 & 2012) we'll ever have.

But I don't think it's time to blow it up & start all over, & I don't think Kubiak's or Schaub's better days are behind them. Next year is a whole new season & I'm anxiously looking forward to it.

[tru80texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I never said Kubiak deserved any lattitude, only credit for what he has done. You're pretty good about pointing out all the bad, but there's some good in their as well. This organization is a lot better of than it was in 2006. That was my point, that can't be denied.



Again, each situation is different. We have an owner who didn't know the business of football when he got the team, knew even less four years later when Casserly & Capers left. Then we replace the crappiest GM in the league with a guy who never been a GM before, & our new head coach is also learning on the job. There's more to building a football team than putting a bunch of guys on the field & giving them a motivational speech, you know that.



They may very well be the case & just like there are teams that found instant success with new head coaches in less time than Kubiak, there are some that have done worse. The Cowboys, two years running they lose the last game of the year & the division (Last year, 9-7 won the division, 2012 10-6 won the division). Buffalo continues to spiral into the CFL, KC...... ten years later & no QB, no coach.

I'm not saying it was the right decision to keep Kubiak, but I like where the organization is now, compared to where the teams that hired new head coaches in 2006 & continue to play the HC carousel are.



I'd fire Schwartz because he does not appear to have control of that locker room, can't control his players, & he embarrasses the organization at least twice a year with his goofy rants. The only progress the Lions have made in the time that Schwartz has been there, is Stafford & Cj and that's probably more on the players than the coach. I may be wrong, tell me what other improvements have been made since Schawrtz has been with the Lions. 4 years into it, I could tell you that our offense had improved, I could tell you that our talent level had improved.

But, as far as not being fair, I wasn't comparing Kubiak to Schwartz, I'm comparing the Texans to the Lions since 2006.

I'm simply pointing out facts. Don't shoot the messanger because they are all not pleasant & some choose to forget & ignore history. It may be negative, but that's not my doing. And at what point do we finally turn the corner & expect & want more from our team & quit using the tired excuse "we are better then we were in the capers/ casserly years"? At some point the MOST would believe the bar has to be raised & that crutch of an excuse for underachieving has to give way imo. That could just be me though.

Let's please not act as if kubiak has worked miracles & dealt w/ circumstances that no other new HC's have not dealt. It sounds good for dramatic purposes, but some of the HC's I mentioned earlier have dealt with franchises that were obviously headed in the wrong direction & they were capable of turning them around quicker. Kubiak is hardly the measuring stick on how long it should take a HC to turn around a franchise because others have done it quicker w/ teams that at one point seemed just as pathetic as the Texans before kubiak.

You would fire Schwartz for losing control of the team...that's interesting. And how do think kubiak's leadership was perceived in the past when he had not only 1 BUT 2 players suspended for violating the drug policy to go along w/ a team that found every possible way to lose a game in 2010 & then topped it off in the same season against the Titans, of all teams, to have a complete meltdown that led many to believe the team quit on kubiak in route to a defeat...oh & let's not forget...that's the same game that Cushing & Antonio got into a shoving match on the field that ultimately got the Texans penalized. LOL! That was the lowest of lows for me that season & yet you suggest firing Schwartz for losing control of a team, but keeping kubiak after all that was ok. A bit of a double standard, don't you think?

I guess its safe to say...we will have to agree to disagree.

[Texecutioner]

This has always been the biggest thing that bothers me about Kubiak the turtle. The guy is the most yellow coach I've ever seen in these situations. No trickery, no creativity, and flat out no balls in these situations.

And people please stop with the BS that he just doesn't trust Schaub. Gary's pulled this bull**** for years since he first got here when we had Carr and also the first two seasons where Rosenfels played half the time while Schaub was hurt. Gary is a play not to lose coach.

But this particular thing has hurt the Texans in many games and flat out stopped our offense from having opportunities to sustain drives. In Gary's first two seasons here I used to wish at times that he would just carry a Texans jersey over to the other side of the field since he wasn't actively trying to beat the other team with regular plays on a 3rd down. He'd just give up on the drive. It made the Texans so easy to beat for years.

This statistic is not surprising at all. I would have bet money on it if it was asked prior to this thread.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by klockWork

He IS a offensive guru. Just not on 3rd & long. And not when his starting QB is Schaub.

This is flat out joke at this point. Especially to say he can't be because of Schaub. Who the hell do you think brought Schaub in here and has kept him as the QB all these years genius? The alleged guru you're talking about. So you completely contradict yourself by galling him a GURU and then blaming his QB for why he doesn't look like one now according to you.

Anyone calling Kubiak a guru is definitely struggling especially when the Texans offense completely fell apart at the end of last season. The running game fell off, the Oline fell off, Schaub played like trash, the entire thing fell apart at the most important part of the season. Kubiak had no answers at all, nor did he make any adjustments to his system. Kubiak didn't have a clue on how to get things rolling again.

Any myth of Kubiak being anything close to a offensive GURU crashed and burned badly last season. No offensive GURU lets their entire offense go to **** that easily when they had been one of the most dominant teams all year long.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by tru80texan

At some point the MOST would believe the bar has to be raised & that crutch of an excuse for underachieving has to give way imo. That could just be me though.

You would fire Schwartz for losing control of the team... but keeping kubiak after all that was ok. A bit of a double standard, don't you think?

Actually I was on board with firing Kubiak after 2010, but I understand why McNair didn't & in hindsight, I'm okay with it. Again, what are the expectations for Detroit next season?

The point is that a new head coach doesn't guarantee anything. There have been a few HCs that have done better than Kubiak in less time, but there have been many more who did not.

[GP]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

The point is that a new head coach doesn't guarantee anything. There have been a few HCs that have done better than Kubiak in less time, but there have been many more who did not.

Being the HC of a 12-4 team also doesn't guarantee that you can pilot that same team to another division title and advance past the divisional round of the playoffs, either.

Guarantees are a joke. You can't guarantee anything in the NFL, well...actually, you can guarantee that you'll probably see the same things you saw the previous 5 or 6 years if you're bringing back that same HC again.

What things have we seen from Gary that never get resolved year after year?

1. Lack of a truly GOOD wide receiver to match with AJ. Gary Ball seems to place emphasis on studly AJ and a bevy of role players who run certain routes and get their number called as a last resort.

2. Without two or three good TEs, his system is not that great. AJ and OD were the keys to this team's success. With Foster in the mix, very deadly. But each of those three have been held out fro various reason and various times, and the outcome is rough for offensive production on a consistent basis. Gary is in danger of having no real TE threat to help our his system.

3. Sporadic playcalling. Take your pick of any of the following: (A) The infamous draw play on 3rd and long, (B) Screen passes to a WR or a RB that work satisfactorily about 10% of the time, with the OT toss to AJ vs. Jags this season being the 10% that it worked. Who else in this league cannot execute nor defend a screen pass like we do? We suck at it, on both sides. That's SOFT, IMO. (C) Let's run when we should pass and pass when we should run, because the defense will NEVER see that coming! Yeah, except they do. The good defenses do, at least. I could go on, but I want to move on to something else.

4. Awful personnel choices, dumb loyalty that costs the team, etc. I would wager that Wade Phillips is the only non-Kubiak guy who has been hired to this team since Kubiak became HC. Can't nobody convince me that as soon as Wade was fired from Dallas that Gary went racing to Rick and Bob and blurted out that we just gotta' get this guy to Houston and on the double! He chose the prior two DC's who were absolute DUDS...and I have zero confidence that he was a Wade Phillips To Houston, Please! guy until he saw the writing on the wall--Either your signature will be on this hiring decision, or Wade will be your replacement. An offer Gary couldn't refuse. Now look, we've got a clearly FAILING special teams unit and he won't fire and replace Marciano. Typical.

5. Took him a few seasons to beat the Ravens, and he did so in extreme style...now we just need two or three more seasons to beat teams like the Packers and Patriots. (Sigh) Awesome. Does he get this done with both teams in two seasons or will it be two seasons to beat Packers and two seasons to beat Patriots? I'm tingling with anticipation!

6. Refusal to adjust. Because let's face it, he's a guru...a genius...if we just run our offense and our guys are "on," nobody can stop us. Championship.

You're right, taking a chance on a new HC would be less of a guarantee than we can handle.

[GP]

Meanwhile, head coaches are getting hired and fired (business as usual), and certain head coaches are adapting to the new style of NFL that Goodell has been shouting from the mountain tops for about three years now.

Let those who have ears, hear his words and receive them.

Or ignore at your own peril.

Gary's loyalty is blinding his management of this team. When his team is "on," it looks spectacular the amount of faith and loyalty he gives his coaches and players. When he's off, it hinders the team's ability to adapt and grow.

We very well could see this rubber band snap back to it's initial state of being that Gary found it in IF some of his shortcomings are not solved/corrected. My bet is that Gary will go down swinging, go down with his ship, and then it'd be pretty easy for Bob to hand it over to Wade who said "Aw gee, I wanna' be a head coach again someday. Shucks, I'd like to give 'er one more shot, ya' know..." Wish granted. Stay tuned, folks.

Kevin Sumlin as the new O-Coordinator. Wade would hand the DC job to Vance Joseph. That would be a palatable way to make Wade the HC if Bob wanted to badly enough. Stay strong on defense, with a known commodity that the players like (Vance Joseph) and hire the NEW "guru" Kevin Sumlin to bring some much-needed fresh air to Houston's offense. I think Sumlin would love the chance to use Foster at RB, btw. He could put up insane numbers.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GP

Being the HC of a 12-4 team also doesn't guarantee that you can pilot that same team to another division title and advance past the divisional round of the playoffs, either.

You're right, taking a chance on a new HC would be less of a guarantee than we can handle.

Originally Posted by GP

Gary's loyalty is blinding his management of this team. When his team is "on," it looks spectacular the amount of faith and loyalty he gives his coaches and players. When he's off, it hinders the team's ability to adapt and grow.

I just pointed out that 10 franchises hired new head coaches in 2006. Seven of those teams have hired a new head coach at least once between then & now. None of those seven are doing as well as the Houston Texans. The Jets have reached the AFC Championship game twice since 2006. But they've followed that up with back to back disappointing seasons, missing the play offs two years running.

None of you would be happy with that right now. None of you would be saying, At least Gary got us to back to back AFC Championship games. You'd be calling for his head. The Jets though appear to have either realized the error in that kind of thinking, or Rex has got some pictures somewhere.

Originally Posted by GP

...and hire the NEW "guru" Kevin Sumlin to bring some much-needed fresh air to Houston's offense. I think Sumlin would love the chance to use Foster at RB, btw. He could put up insane numbers.

When we get dependable receivers again, people will be calling Gary's offense "fresh" again.