Texans Lead NFL.......in RUNS on 3rd And Long

[tru80texan]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Actually, the two runs scored to Schaub were kneel downs to end the game; one scramble was on Yates avoiding pressure.

Two more times, the Texans were working the clock.

And 8 times, they were inside their own 10, mostly deep.

LOL! So the predictable play calling on 3rd & long that is often laughed at or criticised is skewed & stems from a few kneel downs & working the clock. Okkkkk.... I think not, but as I said earlier there are some who refuse to acknowledge the obvious which is the truth. You can lead the horse to water, but can't make them drink. Lead them to Battle Red koolaid & it will disappear.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by ThaShark316

I'm noticing something on 3rd and long:

Teams are blitzing the hell out of Schaub, making him check down. If it was 3rd and 8, NE (example; in the playoff game) released the hounds on him. Obviously, I need to go back and watch some more games and see more. That said, it's not all the blitz,; Schaub stopped stepping into throws in the 2nd half of the season. He faded away, if you will, on these throws. Led to underthrows, etc.

The reason he stopped stepping into his throws had to do withhis foot injury.

What's that crap about Moon in your sig. I wouldn't ever apologize to that wife beater, who despite having the most talented team in the NFL never even made it to an AFC championship and was one of the major contributors to Houston losing my beloved Oilers. He did lead his team to the most embarassing loss in NFL history, that says something.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by tru80texan

LOL! So the predictable play calling on 3rd & long that is often laughed at or criticised is skewed & stems from a few kneel downs & working the clock. Okkkkk.... I think not, but as I said earlier there are some who refuse to acknowledge the obvious which is the truth. You can lead the horse to water, but can't make them drink. Lead them to Battle Red koolaid & it will disappear.

There's nothing about truth that needs to be discussed here, just facts.

First, you have to be able to separate facts into several categories where they belong before you can make some sense out of those different categories of facts.

Only after that can you stand a chance to get to the truth.

[76Texan]

What it really boils down to is that we expected a drop off from Winston to Newton, and then Newton got injured.

We expected a drop off from Brisiel to Caldwell and then Caldwell got injured.
When you have 3 guys playing one position (RG) in the same season, two of the survivors are rookies who can't beat out a previously back-up (yet).

You have a Wade Smith who played more injured than at any time in his career.

You have Myers and Brown both having not as good a year as last.

You pretty much got whipped across the board, how do you expect a lot of good out of third and long (or any situation really) is just daydreaming.

That is the truth, besides the fact that Schaub didn't play well and that the D sucked and the ST sucked.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

What it really boils down to is that we expected a drop off from Winston to Newton, and then Newton got injured.

We expected a drop off from Brisiel to Caldwell and then Caldwell got injured.
When you have 3 guys playing one position (RG) in the same season, two of the survivors are rookies who can't beat out a previously back-up (yet).

You have a Wade Smith who played more injured than at any time in his career.

You have Myers and Brown both having not as good a year as last.

You pretty much got whipped across the board, how do you expect a lot of good out of third and long (or any situation really) is just daydreaming.

That is the truth, besides the fact that Schaub didn't play well and that the D sucked and the ST sucked.

Don't worry '76, when it all starts to click next season, they'll be back. Some won't be back until we clinch the #1 seed, which most likely won't happen next season, some won't be back until we win the AFC Championship game, some won't be back until we win the Super Bowl.

But they'll be back.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

What it really boils down to is that we expected a drop off from Winston to Newton, and then Newton got injured.

We expected a drop off from Brisiel to Caldwell and then Caldwell got injured.
When you have 3 guys playing one position (RG) in the same season, two of the survivors are rookies who can't beat out a previously back-up (yet).

You have a Wade Smith who played more injured than at any time in his career.

You have Myers and Brown both having not as good a year as last.

You pretty much got whipped across the board, how do you expect a lot of good out of third and long (or any situation really) is just daydreaming.

That is the truth, besides the fact that Schaub didn't play well and that the D sucked and the ST sucked.

And the fact that they had to face 8-9 men in the box constantly because there wasn't a deep threat opposite AJ. Atleast JJ for all of his suckitude time here provided that.

God how I hope they dont draft another WR from the slow/lacking in WR/DB talent Big 10. Draft somebody from a passing confrence like the Big 12/Pac 10. If you want a better faster version of JJ they should draft Marquise Goodwin in the 3rd rd. He's going to light up the combine.

[Jules Winnfield]

Just another testament to how much of an offensive guru kubiak is.

I still smdh when i think about the days everyone was calling kubiak an offensive guru.

Sad stuff.

We also probably lead the league or close to the top of 2nd and long running plays.


Those who called Kubiak an offensive guru, yall should slap yourselves in the face.

[thunderkyss]

Well if Kubiak is a guru & we ran it on 3rd & long an inordinate number of times (which I know we did) then you'd have to think there was a reason. I'd like to know what that reason was, but most speculate that Kubiak is too conservative, or restricts Matt, or that Matt is shell-shocked.... & I just find those reasons hard to believe.

I don't believe that is the future of our offense. Hopefully, it is a thing of the past.

[Jules Winnfield]

i really wish somebody would put up how often the texans ran on 2nd and long.

That is the real problem. When people ask why the texans are always in 3rd and long situations, its because they always run on 2nd and long situations and it always fails to pick yards hence we are always on 3rd and long situations with captain check down matt cotton sloth.

check the 2nd and long running play stats.

that's one of the main problems.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

We've had a thread where we discussed the Texans "Three and Out Percentages." Now we can look at......



Is it Kubiak's "unwillingness" to pass on 3rd and long due to his own insecurity in taking chances in general........or is it a function of recognizing his QB's limitations?


This piece I present below is from 2009 ADVANCEDNFLSTATS.COM can add some comparative perspective to the 3rd and long subject. I would also have to keep in mind that in just the last couple of years, I believe that we have seen a distinct trending of most teams to lean more to the passing game than in the past.


Run-Pass Imbalance on 2nd and 3rd Downs

Yes........

AND No!

To be honest, I didn't read the link. That said is there a chance (and you attorneys out there - you know who you are, might appreciate this) that it might be quite the opposite knowing these things:

A) The Texans are well aware of the league tendancies on 3rd and long
B) The Texans know that the league is well aware of league tendancies, and finally
C) The Texans have, if not the best RB in the league, one of the top 3 running backs in the league with Arian Foster.

IMO, the FAIL comes with Kubiak relying on the right side of the line which didn't always allow Arian Foster to do Arian Foster "things".

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Well if Kubiak is a guru & we ran it on 3rd & long an inordinate number of times (which I know we did) then you'd have to think there was a reason. I'd like to know what that reason was, but most speculate that Kubiak is too conservative, or restricts Matt, or that Matt is shell-shocked.... & I just find those reasons hard to believe.

I don't believe that is the future of our offense. Hopefully, it is a thing of the past.

Or maybe just maybe


Wait for it





Wait for it






Matt was playing with a bum foot

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

i really wish somebody would put up how often the texans ran on 2nd and long.

That is the real problem. When people ask why the texans are always in 3rd and long situations, its because they always run on 2nd and long situations and it always fails to pick yards hence we are always on 3rd and long situations with captain check down matt cotton sloth.

check the 2nd and long running play stats.

that's one of the main problems.

Arian Foster ....any stat imaginable


http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...7/arian-foster

Justin Forsett
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...justin-forsett

Ben Tate
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...13210/ben-tate



I wish there was a generic stat sheet but haven't found one yet

[Texan_Bill]

I'd be curious as to the teams that the Texans played what their 'split' was on going for a pass on 3rd and long versus their season average, given JJ Watt et al as a consideration.

Seriously, that would be interesting to me at least.

+ sacks

= Baller!

[Wolf]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

I'd be curious as to the teams that the Texans played what their 'split' was on going for a pass on 3rd and long versus their season average, given JJ Watt et al as a consideration.

Seriously, that would be interesting to me at least.

+ sacks

= Baller!

Here is Watts

1st down 11 sacks 1stf 7pd 2 ff
2nd down 3.5 sack 8stf 4pd 2 ff
3rd down 5 sacks 5 pd
4th down 1sack
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/13979/jj-watt

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Matt was playing with a bum foot

I believe the dead arm thing more than the bum foot. I just didn't see it & I've watched the last games several times, at least once, paying special attention to his feet.

[Premier]

23 out of 101? seems low.. what would the number be if they counted screens too...

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I believe the dead arm thing more than the bum foot. I just didn't see it & I've watched the last games several times, at least once, paying special attention to his feet.

So you must have noticed that Matt wasn't stepping into his throws? Could that have had anything to do with his foot being hurt?

Or did somebody stick a rock in his sock every week?

After 10 yrs in the NFL Matt suddenly started having problems with his footwork. Do you think that could've been because he had one of the most debilitating injuries a football player regardless of position could possibly have?

Or maybe as you say Matts arm just cant hold up for a complete season. Either way the Texans need to find his heir apparent in the worst way. I mean Brees/Rodgers/Stafford etc....anyone with 2 healthy feet, even Peytons arms didn't fall off and they threw the ball considerably more than Matt did last yr.

[76Texan]

It's kinda of funny.

So what if the Texans tendency is to run on third and long?

Y'all got to remember that the tendency of many other teams is to pass, and much more heavy at that.
If there's something predictable, well you can count on that.

It makes more sense to say that the Texans buck the trend, that they do things other teams don't do; they were more unpredictable than the rest.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Wolf

Here is Watts

1st down 11 sacks 1stf 7pd 2 ff
2nd down 3.5 sack 8stf 4pd 2 ff
3rd down 5 sacks 5 pd
4th down 1sack
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/13979/jj-watt

While that's money my brother, my quest of a question was this:

How much different did the Texans opponents stray from their own tendancies versus the Texans defense compared to the NFL's stastiscal tendancies?

*EDIT*

I would suspect that their tendancies were slightly lower than their season average.

Of course I could be completely wrong, but again, it's completely interesting to me.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

So you must have noticed that Matt wasn't stepping into his throws? Could that have had anything to do with his foot being hurt?

Or did somebody stick a rock in his sock every week?

After 10 yrs in the NFL Matt suddenly started having problems with his footwork. Do you think that could've been because he had one of the most debilitating injuries a football player regardless of position could possibly have?

Or maybe as you say Matts arm just cant hold up for a complete season. Either way the Texans need to find his heir apparent in the worst way. I mean Brees/Rodgers/Stafford etc....anyone with 2 healthy feet, even Peytons arms didn't fall off and they threw the ball considerably more than Matt did last yr.

I mean I saw no evidence or any foot injury. He had no problem planting his feet, he stepped into his throws, he pushed off both feet equally well. If there was an issue with is foot, he didn't act like it.

I also did not see any evidence of a dead arm, but I'd believe it more because the evidence is more subjective.