Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I remember last season how the talk was all about the Ravens "new" offense. But Flacco managed to temper expectations.

They flashed from time to time, but his inconsistencies brought them back to the mean.... we'll see what lasting affects Caldwell will have on your offense.

This is from the beginning of this past season...

"Under offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, the Ravens' offense was old-school in all the worst ways from a passing game perspective. Rooted in the Sid Gillman/Don Coryell/Norv Turner concepts of the deep-strike pass, Cameron's formation concepts did not add the diversity required in the current NFL."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...0672--nfl.html

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

This is from the beginning of this past season...

"Under offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, the Ravens' offense was old-school in all the worst ways from a passing game perspective.

Doesn't change the fact that we've heard how good the Ravens offense is going to be before. We'll see if it sticks this time.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Doesn't change the fact that we've heard how good the Ravens offense is going to be before. We'll see if it sticks this time.

Fair enough- I had my doubts before the season myself- I long beieved that Cam was 'holding' back Joe. A quote from Greg Cosell of NFL Films cemented i fo me= "Its like their offense is stuck in the 60's"....

Caldwell is the key

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Exactly, Matt cant carry Flaccos jock ...

Even without Flacco's physical gifts, Matt has outperformed Flacco, in the regular season, since 2007.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Even without Flacco's physical gifts, Matt has outperformed Flacco, in the regular season, since 2007.

But Flacco has more wins, Flacco wins more in the big games.

You can have him, I'll take Joe

And since 2008, the year they were drafted

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Not in the playoffs ... because he never made it ... his PP hurt.

Stats? Dismissed.

Matt's stats are based on receivers having to adjust to overthrown and under-thrown and off target balls.

Matt hasn't outperformed Toro ...

Somebody's pp hurt, of that I have no doubt. You can dismiss the stats, but it doesn't change the fact that Matt has out performed Flacco in the regular season, on a gimp foot no less.

You can argue that Matt chokes in the big game & I really can't argue. But just because he didn't win his first divisional play off game ever, doesn't mean that he can't, or that he won't win the next one.

And I love the underthrown ball & the receiver having to adjust argument, but when we're talking about Flacco, his two biggest throws of the play offs were both underthrown. & the first TD pass to Bolden in the Super Bowl...... go back & watch a few passes before that, he threw the same ball to Bolden, Bolden just wasn't able to adjust. The one that he did score on Bolden made an amazing Matrix like catch.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

But Flacco has more wins, Flacco wins more in the big games.

You can have him, I'll take Joe

And since 2008, the year they were drafted

Wins are a team thing.

& yes, you're right. Flacco was drafted in 2008 & Matt outperformed him in the regular season ever since.


& I like the avatar..... it's not flaunting if you got it.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Somebody's pp hurt, of that I have no doubt. You can dismiss the stats, but it doesn't change the fact that Matt has out performed Flacco in the regular season, on a gimp foot no less.

What exactly is the measuremnt being used? Passing stats, wins, Passing yardage, TD-INT ratio, scarmble yardage??? Lets have a defined measurable.

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

You can argue that Matt chokes in the big game & I really can't argue. But just because he didn't win his first divisional play off game ever, doesn't mean that he can't, or that he won't win the next one.

If he dddn't win his first playoff game, then that means he can't. The TWO stats I go back to with Ryan are- 9TDS- 7INTS and 1 WIN- 4 LOSSES

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

And I love the underthrown ball & the receiver having to adjust argument, but when we're talking about Flacco, his two biggest throws of the play offs were both underthrown. & the first TD pass to Bolden in the Super Bowl...... go back & watch a few passes before that, he threw the same ball to Bolden, Bolden just wasn't able to adjust. The one that he did score on Bolden made an amazing Matrix like catch.

Both balls that were "underthrown" to Jacoby for TDS: #1- The last second TD in Denver travels 55yds in the air while Flacco steps up in the pocket halway plants and throws due to the pass rush. #2- 56 yard TD in the Super Bowl travels 50 yds thru the air off his front foot as Flacco steps up in the pocket to elude the rush. Not sure anyone else could have made those throws.

The throws to Boldin are throws they practice- put it where only Boldin can go get it because Boldin has some of the strongest hands, arms in the league. Flacco started the season with some of the same throws, they have been there all year long.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Wins are a team thing.

& yes, you're right. Flacco was drafted in 2008 & Matt outperformed him in the regular season ever since.


& I like the avatar..... it's not flaunting if you got it.

Marino had awesome regular seasons

Tarkenton had awesome regular seasons

Matt Stafford has awesome regular seasons

Cam Newton has awesome regular seasons

And thanks= waited 12 years, same length of time we didn't have fooball after the Colts were stolen....

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Not in the playoffs ... because he never made it ... his PP hurt.

Stats? Dismissed.

Matt's stats are based on receivers having to adjust to overthrown and under-thrown and off target balls.

Matt hasn't outperformed Toro ...

When you have Julio Jones, Roddy White and Tony G and can't convert a 4th and 1.....

[ObsiWan]

I'm sorry...

...what was the original point of this discussion?


oh yeah, where does Matt Schaub rank among the 2012/13 playoff QBs. Well, if regular season means nothing except to get you in the dance - as has been said often by some here - AND the only stat that counts is W's, then only way to rank QBs is by their playoff records...

1. Flacco 4-0
2. Kaepernick 2-1
3. Five-way tie for third; Schaub, Wilson, M. Ryan, A. Rodgers, T. Brady.
8. Five-way tie for eigth; Joe Webb, A. Luck, RGIII, Dalton, P. Manning.

So Schaub is third - along with four other schmucks who only won one game too. I put him behind Brady since Brady won the head-to-head match up and even with Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers who also won at home but lost on the road.

There.... See how easy that was?

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

I'm sorry...

...what was the original point of this discussion?


oh yeah, where does Matt Schaub rank among the 2012/13 playoff QBs. Well, if regular season means nothing except to get you in the dance - as has been said often by some here - AND the only stat that counts is W's, then only way to rank QBs is by their playoff records...

1. Flacco 4-1
2. Kaepernick 2-1
3. Five-way tie for third; Schaub, Wilson, M. Ryan, A. Rodgers, T. Brady.
8. Five-way tie for eigth; Joe Webb, A. Luck, RGIII, Dalton, P. Manning.

So Schaub is third - along with four other schmucks who only won one game too. I put him behind Brady since Brady won the head-to-head match up and even with Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers who also won at home but lost on the road.

There.... See how easy that was?

Flacco 4-0

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Flacco 4-0

Right.
duuh...

Corrected.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Both balls that were "underthrown" to Jacoby for TDS: #1- The last second TD in Denver travels 55yds in the air while Flacco steps up in the pocket halway plants and throws due to the pass rush. #2- 56 yard TD in the Super Bowl travels 50 yds thru the air off his front foot as Flacco steps up in the pocket to elude the rush. Not sure anyone else could have made those throws.

The throws to Boldin are throws they practice- put it where only Boldin can go get it because Boldin has some of the strongest hands, arms in the league. Flacco started the season with some of the same throws, they have been there all year long.

In summary you agree the balls were underthrown & Bolden made an amazing Matrix catch?

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

In summary you agree the balls were underthrown & Bolden made an amazing Matrix catch?

2 of Flacco's passes were underthrown, I gave the circumstances, not what the other poster was talking about with Ryan; his passes that are underthrown are in the 10-15-20 yd range, not 40 to 50 yds downfield. So Its really not a comparison.

As far as Boldin goes, they practice those throws and catches to take advantage of Flacco's arm ad Boldin's strong pass catching ability. I've seen him make sliding catches, running catches, etc. He also had 3 drops in the Super Bowl; one that almost hit him in the face mask.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

2 of Flacco's passes were underthrown, I gave the circumstances, not what the other poster was talking about with Ryan; his passes that are underthrown are in the 10-15-20 yd range, not 40 to 50 yds downfield. So Its really not a comparison.

As far as Boldin goes, they practice those throws and catches to take advantage of Flacco's arm ad Boldin's strong pass catching ability. I've seen him make sliding catches, running catches, etc. He also had 3 drops in the Super Bowl; one that almost hit him in the face mask.

In summary you agree the balls were underthrown & Bolden made an amazing Matrix catch?

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

In summary you agree the balls were underthrown & Bolden made an amazing Matrix catch?

When Matt Ryan can even throw the ball 55 yds in the air, come talk to me...

Otherrwise your point, while technically correct, is moot and immaterial to the conversation.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Otherrwise your point, while technically correct...

So now that we got that out of the way....

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

And I love the underthrown ball & the receiver having to adjust argument, but when we're talking about Flacco, his two biggest throws of the play offs were both underthrown. & the first TD pass to Bolden in the Super Bowl...... go back & watch a few passes before that, he threw the same ball to Bolden, Bolden just wasn't able to adjust. The one that he did score on Bolden made an amazing Matrix like catch.

My friend.

It is not my intention to insult Joe Flacco when I mention that his two biggest throws in his amazing Super Bowl run were underthrown. Nor do I mean any harm to the most awesomest QB in the league when I say Bolden contorted himself to catch a pass thrown by the great one. Technically they are just facts.

But this is a Texans board & the conversation is about Matt Schaub. The argument was made that Matt's stats mean nothing because he consistently under throws his receivers & they have to make wildly acrobatic catches to make him look good.

A reference to Flacco here is not an insult. It is a sincere expression of flattery that I compare our mere human QB to the god of all QBs.

[ATXtexanfan]

18 page thread and schaub still sucks. Dude is a fraud. A high paid fraud. But a fraud. Not even best qb in his division let alone playoffs.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

So now that we got that out of the way....



My friend.

It is not my intention to insult Joe Flacco when I mention that his two biggest throws in his amazing Super Bowl run were underthrown. Nor do I mean any harm to the most awesomest QB in the league when I say Bolden contorted himself to catch a pass thrown by the great one. Technically they are just facts.

But this is a Texans board & the conversation is about Matt Schaub. The argument was made that Matt's stats mean nothing because he consistently under throws his receivers & they have to make wildly acrobatic catches to make him look good.

A reference to Flacco here is not an insult. It is a sincere expression of flattery that I compare our mere human QB to the god of all QBs.

Go back to th Week 1 win over te Bengals- Joe threw the same pass to Pitta: its in the playbook.

Regardless, the thread was about comparing Schaub to the other 11 QB's in the playoffs: that was done and became a focus on Flacco as he kept winning while others were losing.