How did Ray Lewis go from murder suspect in 2000 to NFL royalty in 2013?

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by Playoffs

I think the pastor is supposed to hold that in confidence(!)

I'm sorry...is this a Iesvs facepalm? CLASSIC! Ray has proven to be @ssholier than thou with every action. Good for him. Hope he can live with himself.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

That was the point- only those who were there know.

There is plenty of info on what happened after murders to know Lewis is a scumbag. I hated seeing that POS win a ring. At least I will never have to watch that stupid pregame dance again.

[chicagotexan2]

His response to Shannon sharpes question was so over the top insincere and so full of bs. He sounds like a pompous and redicilously dilusional imbecile. Everything comes back around and it wouldn't surprise me to see something else really awful happen in this p.o.s.' life.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by chicagotexan2

His response to Shannon sharpes question was so over the top insincere and so full of bs. He sounds like a pompous and redicilously dilusional imbecile. Everything comes back around and it wouldn't surprise me to see something else really awful happen in this p.o.s.' life.

everything doesnt come back around that notion and "karma" are beyond silly

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by mussop

There is plenty of info on what happened after murders to know Lewis is a scumbag. I hated seeing that POS win a ring. At least I will never have to watch that stupid pregame dance again.

Isend you a .gif of it....LOL

[CloakNNNdagger]

Ray Lewis statue in plans

They say they don't know where. Wonder if it'll be in front of the stadium......or in front of the courthouse.

[cuppacoffee]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

So murder is ok... if you are a Christian?

Sounds good.

Originally Posted by powda

Only if your catholic.

Or a idiot cop.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by mussop

There is plenty of info on what happened after murders to know Lewis is a scumbag. I hated seeing that POS win a ring. At least I will never have to watch that stupid pregame dance again.

Please show me some evidence that you have uncovered....

[Double Barrel]

There was an NFL Films presentation last night that I have not seen before. It was called "The Ray Lewis Coaching Tree", and it was six coaches that had been on the Ravens roster as coordinators and went on to be head coaches in the NFL.

The Ray Lewis coaching tree: Part I

If you really want to see what Ray Lewis is about, see these men talk about him. It was an excellent documentary, and the insight they provided clearly revealed that Ray is not an act. He's the real deal.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

There was an NFL Films presentation last night that I have not seen before. It was called "The Ray Lewis Coaching Tree", and it was six coaches that had been on the Ravens roster as coordinators and went on to be head coaches in the NFL.

The Ray Lewis coaching tree: Part I

If you really want to see what Ray Lewis is about, see these men talk about him. It was an excellent documentary, and the insight they provided clearly revealed that Ray is not an act. He's the real deal.

People won't care- they only see the over-exposure of Ray due to the fact that he was playing in the Super Bowl and its his last ride.

BTW- I watched that for 5th or sixth time last night and it never ceases to amaze me. I am friends wth a former player on the 2004 Ravens team; guy won a SB in 03 with Tampa Bay= he says that Ray is a the real deal; make you want to run thru a wall when he gets done talking. This guy played at Wisconsin, Dallas Cowboys, Bucs and Ravens from 0 to 04.

But in the end, the story is moot because Ray is retired now. And people have their opinions that will never be changed.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

People won't care- they only see the over-exposure of Ray due to the fact that he was playing in the Super Bowl and its his last ride.

BTW- I watched that for 5th or sixth time last night and it never ceases to amaze me. I am friends wth a former player on the 2004 Ravens team; guy won a SB in 03 with Tampa Bay= he says that Ray is a the real deal; make you want to run thru a wall when he gets done talking. This guy played at Wisconsin, Dallas Cowboys, Bucs and Ravens from 0 to 04.

But in the end, the story is moot because Ray is retired now. And people have their opinions that will never be changed.

I was really impressed by all of them, but it was Mike Singletary's perspective that really got me. As you know, he wasn't sure why he was needed in Baltimore. He thought he wouldn't have much to teach a Super Bowl MVP, defensive player of the year, pro bowler, etc. But when he got there, Ray was already waiting for him and nervous to meet him. Ray told Singletary to teach him everything he knew. Little things mattered. Ray never seemed like his ego got in the way and stayed a student and teacher of the game every day.

I got a little burned out on the hype, but that's probably just me watching too much NFLN and ESPN before the Super Bowl.

However, I also try to be objective. Ray was never a troublemaker, even before the murder, and since then he's been nothing but an upstanding citizen and role model.

And as a player, he is one of, if not the, best LB to play the game. My hat is off to him. It will be weird to see the NFL next year without Ray playing a game. Sort of like when Brett Favre retired. These dudes were almost monuments in the league.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I was really impressed by all of them, but it was Mike Singletary's perspective that really got me. As you know, he wasn't sure why he was needed in Baltimore. He thought he wouldn't have much to teach a Super Bowl MVP, defensive player of the year, pro bowler, etc. But when he got there, Ray was already waiting for him and nervous to meet him. Ray told Singletary to teach him everything he knew. Little things mattered. Ray never seemed like his ego got in the way and stayed a student and teacher of the game every day.

I got a little burned out on the hype, but that's probably just me watching too much NFLN and ESPN before the Super Bowl.

However, I also try to be objective. Ray was never a troublemaker, even before the murder, and since then he's been nothing but an upstanding citizen and role model.

And as a player, he is one of, if not the, best LB to play the game. My hat is off to him. It will be weird to see the NFL next year without Ray playing a game. Sort of like when Brett Favre retired. These dudes were almost monuments in the league.

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Please show me some evidence that you have uncovered....

Even if they did...you wouldn't accept it. You're too purple to believe that St. Raymond Lewis could have possibly done anything wrong.
I wasn't there, and from what I saw it looked like his entourage were in the wrong, BUT Ray saying he "ran away" when the fight broke out doesn't even SOUND right? He didn't say he was nowhere near the incident. He didn't say he "walked" away. He said he "ran away".
Does Ray come across as a guy who's going to run from a fight? Sorry, that seems suspect to me. Ray doesn't strike me as a coward and he's effectively asking us to believe that he and his posse had someone outnumbered and when two of the people starting swinging at him and his FIVE homies...he ran like a scared little girl. That doesn't even SOUND right.
The DA didn't prove their case even though he was covered in blood in the back of a limo. They got him for "obstruction of justice". Uh...okay.

I don't know all the facts of the case, but it kind of looks like the DA decided to do a "Nate Newton. In other words the guy is a popular sports figure for the local team so let's not knock ourselves out trying to build a case against him and let' stack the jury with people who bleed black and purple.

The prosecutors who went after Ray probably got his autograph after they reached their plea deal for "obstruction of justice" when they would have gone for:

Obstruction of Justice

Perjury

&

Accessory to MURDER had the defendant been Ray Lewis the construction worker instead of Ray Lewis the Football player.

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I was really impressed by all of them, but it was Mike Singletary's perspective that really got me. As you know, he wasn't sure why he was needed in Baltimore. He thought he wouldn't have much to teach a Super Bowl MVP, defensive player of the year, pro bowler, etc. But when he got there, Ray was already waiting for him and nervous to meet him. Ray told Singletary to teach him everything he knew. Little things mattered. Ray never seemed like his ego got in the way and stayed a student and teacher of the game every day.

I got a little burned out on the hype, but that's probably just me watching too much NFLN and ESPN before the Super Bowl.

However, I also try to be objective. Ray was never a troublemaker, even before the murder, and since then he's been nothing but an upstanding citizen and role model.

And as a player, he is one of, if not the, best LB to play the game. My hat is off to him. It will be weird to see the NFL next year without Ray playing a game. Sort of like when Brett Favre retired. These dudes were almost monuments in the league.

Agreed on all points, DB. Great post

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by Dread-Head

Even if they did...you wouldn't accept it. You're too purple to believe that St. Raymond Lewis could have possibly done anything wrong.
I wasn't there, and from what I saw it looked like his entourage were in the wrong, BUT Ray saying he "ran away" when the fight broke out doesn't even SOUND right? He didn't say he was nowhere near the incident. He didn't say he "walked" away. He said he "ran away".
Does Ray come across as a guy who's going to run from a fight? Sorry, that seems suspect to me. Ray doesn't strike me as a coward and he's effectively asking us to believe that he and his posse had someone outnumbered and when two of the people starting swinging at him and his FIVE homies...he ran like a scared little girl. That doesn't even SOUND right.
The DA didn't prove their case even though he was covered in blood in the back of a limo. They got him for "obstruction of justice". Uh...okay.

I don't know all the facts of the case, but it kind of looks like the DA decided to do a "Nate Newton. In other words the guy is a popular sports figure for the local team so let's not knock ourselves out trying to build a case against him and let' stack the jury with people who bleed black and purple.

The prosecutors who went after Ray probably got his autograph after they reached their plea deal for "obstruction of justice" when they would have gone for:

Obstruction of Justice

Perjury

&

Accessory to MURDER had the defendant been Ray Lewis the construction worker instead of Ray Lewis the Football player.

So a lot of speculation ? Thats all you have. I dont bleed purple but the man wasnt convicted of murder

Joseph Sweeting and Reginald Oakley had hoped the jury would find they acted in self defense. It took only 5 hours for the unanamous veridct acquitting them of all charges. Oakely hugged his lawyer. Sweeting put his head down on the defense table

http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/la...&story=10&pg=1



so the guys who Ray ratted out were found what? Oh yeah I guess they got the NFL superstar treatment too right? And given the facts of the case do you think he would have been convicted with the accessory to murder charge as a contruction worker? Probably not Mr. Assumptionosaurus

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

So a lot of speculation ? Thats all you have. I dont bleed purple but the man wasnt convicted of murder

Joseph Sweeting and Reginald Oakley had hoped the jury would find they acted in self defense. It took only 5 hours for the unanamous veridct acquitting them of all charges. Oakely hugged his lawyer. Sweeting put his head down on the defense table

http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/la...&story=10&pg=1



so the guys who Ray ratted out were found what? Oh yeah I guess they got the NFL superstar treatment too right? And given the facts of the case do you think he would have been convicted with the accessory to murder charge as a contruction worker? Probably not Mr. Assumptionosaurus

PLEASE re-read my muff-huggin' post and find precisely where I said "RAY DID IT" ? Let me save you some time, I DIDN'T say it! I said things like:

Originally Posted by The Devilishly handsome Dread-Head

"I wasn't there."

I went on to say:

Originally Posted by The loveable motor boat enthusiast Dreadford Headdington III

"I don't know all the facts of the case."

Find where I said Ray was convicted of anything other than the "obstruction of justice" for which I think he had to do what 12 minutes of community service. In the real world people who aren't rich and famous go to PRISON for that. You posted my entire post without truncating it; hence, you should have NO PROBLEM finding where in THIS post I called Ray Lewis a murderer. WAIT you can't because I didn't say that ISHT! ALL I said was the circumstances surrounding two people being SLAUGHTERED LIKE PIGS by members of Ray Lewis' entourage looked SUSPECT to me. That's ALL I said. If you insist on quoting me do so, but don't put words in my mouth and don't presume to be clairvoyant. You can't read my mind so don't tell me what I think.


EDIT:

Sorry for being a tool. I got a little OBNOXIOUS there. Sorry man.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Dread-Head

Does Ray come across as a guy who's going to run from a fight? Sorry, that seems suspect to me. Ray doesn't strike me as a coward and he's effectively asking us to believe that he and his posse had someone outnumbered and when two of the people starting swinging at him and his FIVE homies...he ran like a scared little girl. That doesn't even SOUND right.

Watch the NFL Films "The Ray Lewis coaching tree".

All SIX of these NFL head coaches said it would have been out of character for him to get into a street fight. They said the passion Ray has on the field is not the same guy that they know in every day life. He's a non-confrontational kind of guy. He has always been a dude that seeks peaceful solutions before violent ones. This isn't even speculation. It's the perspective of professional coaches who have known the guy for decades. They know this man's nature.

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Watch the NFL Films "The Ray Lewis coaching tree".

All SIX of these NFL head coaches said it would have been out of character for him to get into a street fight. They said the passion Ray has on the field is not the same guy that they know in every day life. He's a non-confrontational kind of guy. He has always been a dude that seeks peaceful solutions before violent ones. This isn't even speculation. It's the perspective of professional coaches who have known the guy for decades. They know this man's nature.

Fair enough. Question. Didn't this incident occur in his rookie season? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but were I accused of something HORRIFFIC and NOT convicted, I would be the most mild mannered cat on the planet because I'd suspect people would be wondering "did he do it" everytime they saw me.
I'm thinking if you meet O.J. Simpson he'd be a perfect gent as he really has little choice.

Truthfully, if he didn't do it I'm sure that "incident" made him keep entirely different company.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by Dread-Head

PLEASE re-read my muff-huggin' post and find precisely where I said "RAY DID IT" ? Let me save you some time, I DIDN'T say it! I said things like:



I went on to say:



Find where I said Ray was convicted of anything other than the "obstruction of justice" for which I think he had to do what 12 minutes of community service. In the real world people who aren't rich and famous go to PRISON for that. You posted my entire post without truncating it; hence, you should have NO PROBLEM finding where in THIS post I called Ray Lewis a murderer. WAIT you can't because I didn't say that ISHT! ALL I said was the circumstances surrounding two people being SLAUGHTERED LIKE PIGS by members of Ray Lewis' entourage looked SUSPECT to me. That's ALL I said. If you insist on quoting me do so, but don't put words in my mouth and don't presume to be clairvoyant. You can't read my mind so don't tell me what I think.

Im not sure why you choose to post in such a childish manner but it certainly doesnt help you make a point. You seem to cry and ***** mostly in your posting so sometimes it is hard to get through the entire thing. I have seen you repeat what you think of Ray in a few threads and I find it rather comical what you choose to base your opinions off of and what you choose to ignore given the facts about the case.


edit: I didnt put any words in your mouth but I guess thats just more of your crying when you try to say it occured

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Dread-Head

Fair enough. Question. Didn't this incident occur in his rookie season? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but were I accused of something HORRIFFIC and NOT convicted, I would be the most mild mannered cat on the planet because I'd suspect people would be wondering "did he do it" everytime they saw me.
I'm thinking if you meet O.J. Simpson he'd be a perfect gent as he really has little choice.

He was drafted in 1996. The murders happened on January 31, 2000.

I don't think a tiger changes his stripes. I think eventually the nature of a person comes out. Ray was never in trouble with the law before or after that incident, iirc.

As I've said before, Ray knows more about that night than he's ever admitted. But that, in and of itself, does not make him a murderer. He was hanging with the wrong crowd and got sucked into it. But since then? He's been nothing but one of the best role models in the NFL. You can't fake that for another 13 years. Something would eventually betray that act. But with Ray, it's been consistent.

Seriously, take the time to watch "The Ray Lewis coaching tree". It's not rah rah stuff, but a really serious insight into the thoughts of NFL coaches about the man. You can fool some people some of the time,but you can't fool everyone all of the time. I honestly doubt any of these coaches would be saying these things about Ray if they did not sincerely believe it.