Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs

[Premier]

Originally Posted by Big Lou

Sorry dude, Schaub and Flacco are both average. The only thing Flacco is elite at is ruining his mouth about how elite he is.

this type of stuff proves you see things only in black and white. while neither schaub or flacco are elite, theres no way these guys are in the same category.. flacco is 3 years younger and has played in 12 playoff games and should be getting ready for his 2nd super bowl had lee evans not dropped a gimmie.. flacco is approaching that next level. the level between elite and good. guys like ben and eli are there. meanwhile schaub is trying his damndest to not drop from good to below average..

in 6 of his last 7 playoff games, flacco has posted great qb ratings, the only game he had a down was last years game against the texans.. there isnt even a comparison between the 2, using the eyeball test, when both qbs are on, they do different things, schaub plays great when the system is working, he does whats asked. flacco on the other hand is beating coverages, out throwing dbs, threading needles. escaping pressure, and just shredding secondaries... the guy has a much bigger arm than schaub and is far and wide the more mobile of the two... no comparison

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Premier

...flacco is 3 years younger and has played in 12 playoff games and should be getting ready for his 2nd super bowl had lee evans not dropped a gimmie..

Does Schaub get any credit for the "had so-&-so not dropped..... " gimmies?

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Big Lou

Sorry dude, Schaub and Flacco are both average. The only thing Flacco is elite at is ruining his mouth about how elite he is.

Wha is an elite QB?

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by bOODRO87

Just pointing out the fact that Matt had two chances to secure HFA and did not. Yes, this is a team sport, but Matt didn't help put his team in good positions to win. That's bad for ANY QB. I couldn't careless what our record was or what people thought before the post season. Playoffs is where you find out what kind of team you really have.

Flacco flourished in the big games. Schaub did not flourish in his big games.. multiple times. Big difference.

This^

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Premier

this type of stuff proves you see things only in black and white. while neither schaub or flacco are elite, theres no way these guys are in the same category.. flacco is 3 years younger and has played in 12 playoff games and should be getting ready for his 2nd super bowl had lee evans not dropped a gimmie.. flacco is approaching that next level. the level between elite and good. guys like ben and eli are there. meanwhile schaub is trying his damndest to not drop from good to below average..

in 6 of his last 7 playoff games, flacco has posted great qb ratings, the only game he had a down was last years game against the texans.. there isnt even a comparison between the 2, using the eyeball test, when both qbs are on, they do different things, schaub plays great when the system is working, he does whats asked. flacco on the other hand is beating coverages, out throwing dbs, threading needles. escaping pressure, and just shredding secondaries... the guy has a much bigger arm than schaub and is far and wide the more mobile of the two... no comparison

And THIS^

[GP]

Originally Posted by Premier

this type of stuff proves you see things only in black and white. while neither schaub or flacco are elite, theres no way these guys are in the same category.. flacco is 3 years younger and has played in 12 playoff games and should be getting ready for his 2nd super bowl had lee evans not dropped a gimmie.. flacco is approaching that next level. the level between elite and good. guys like ben and eli are there. meanwhile schaub is trying his damndest to not drop from good to below average..

in 6 of his last 7 playoff games, flacco has posted great qb ratings, the only game he had a down was last years game against the texans.. there isnt even a comparison between the 2, using the eyeball test, when both qbs are on, they do different things, schaub plays great when the system is working, he does whats asked. flacco on the other hand is beating coverages, out throwing dbs, threading needles. escaping pressure, and just shredding secondaries... the guy has a much bigger arm than schaub and is far and wide the more mobile of the two... no comparison

[deucetx]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

I don't understand the constant barrage of "Houston players donn't get any media exposure"=> everytime I turned on NFL Net this season there was JJ Watt, Arian Foster and AJ...even Matt Schaub...Like Houston is small market?

Anyway, not everyone agrees that Flacco is better than Schaub; but I'll keep trying to convince them...

Apparently you're right because folks are still going which I just don't get.

I can admit that I was someone who felt Schaub was a top ten quarterback. But how can one be top ten and not capable of making all the throws? How can one be top ten and disappear in prime time situations? How can one be top ten and not even be capable of putting the ball in the endzone consistently?

Flacco isn't perfect and maybe not 'elite' though I admit that term is overly abused. But his main issues go with the mental approach when under pressure. Umm...Schaub has that too. The difference is these playoffs I saw Flacco hurl a ball downfield with a defender hanging on him. I saw Schaub escape and throw it out of bounds. Big difference. One is looking to still make a play and the other is not. Flacco's vision stays wide encompassing the field while Schaubs seems to narrow. If he isn't throwing it away he is checking it down far short of the first down.

Flacco obviously can make all the throws. Schaub can not and even some that he toss out there he puts too much air under the ball giving the defense a chance to react. So you have more positives in the way of Flacco than Schaub especially in the playoffs. Not even sure where the arguement can stand. Doesn't mean Schaub is a bad quarterback but sure as heck isn't great either. Flacco doesn't have to be elite to be better than Schaub but to me he is at least in that next tier behind the top tier guys and he's young and climbing. Schaub? Well...what we see MAY be what we get.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I do.

I see us winning with Foster having a big day, the D having a big day, and Matt not turning the ball over.

Way late...... but I think you're right. Everything that needed to happen didn't.


Everything.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by bOODRO87

Just pointing out the fact that Matt had two chances to secure HFA and did not. Yes, this is a team sport, but Matt didn't help put his team in good positions to win. That's bad for ANY QB. I couldn't careless what our record was or what people thought before the post season. Playoffs is where you find out what kind of team you really have.

Flacco flourished in the big games. Schaub did not flourish in his big games.. multiple times. Big difference.

great post.

matt sucks physically, one would think he would make for it in the intangible, leadership, poise, decision making area.

The problem is, matt also sucks at those areas.

Yet houston fans and the front office find it so hard to move on from him. Its as if its some impossibility to find someone better than a guy who sucks physically and mentally.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

great post.

matt sucks physically, one would think he would make for it in the intangible, leadership, poise, decision making area.

The problem is, matt also sucks at those areas.

Yet houston fans and the front office find it so hard to move on from him. Its as if its some impossibility to find someone better than a guy who sucks physically and mentally.

Who is a Free Agent or draft pick that is better than Schaub right now for the 2013 season? Somone who could put them ina position to win in 2013 in the Playoffs?

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Who is a Free Agent or draft pick that is better than Schaub right now for the 2013 season? Somone who could put them ina position to win in 2013 in the Playoffs?

Don't even bother man...

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

FA market is thin beyond Flacco.

But what if the Seahawks release Flynn?

I would bring him in on a one year deal and let him compete and see if a long term deal was worth it. But, other teams like KC, AZ, etc would probably give him a long term deal up front.

I also think Alex Smith would be an upgrade.

Yeah dude, we just gave Schaub a big contract, and now we're gonna sign Alex Smith for possibly more.

Glimpse reality much?

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Which one gets you to the SB?

McNair needs to step up and insist on excellence.

Remind me how many Super Bowls Alex Smith has gotten to?

He couldn't get to one with a better D and a running game just as good as ours in 2011, what makes you think he can do it with us?

And with what money would McNair sign him?

Your visions are nothing but dreary fantasy.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I also think Alex Smith would be an upgrade.

You want to sign the guy that was just benched on his own team because they didn't believe he could get them to the Super Bowl? What am I missing here?

[htownfan32]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

FA market is thin beyond Flacco.

But what if the Seahawks release Flynn?

I would bring him in on a one year deal and let him compete and see if a long term deal was worth it. But, other teams like KC, AZ, etc would probably give him a long term deal up front.

I also think Alex Smith would be an upgrade.

I like where you're going with Flynn. I think Smith might be a step to the side and a half step up more than anything else. I think we should look at a 3rd and a 5th pick for Kirk Cousins from the Skins. Mobile, looked great in action, and Shanny's system in DC is like Kubes' system down here.

[HOU-TEX]

Never thought there'd be a day when knee-jerks would be clammoring for Alex Smith. lol

Schaub ain't much and, unfortunately, he'll be here at least another 2 years. Anyone that mentions trading, cutting or benching him are my definition of a knee-jerker. One that refuses to be realistic. Or they're just plain dumb.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Never thought there'd be a day when knee-jerks would be clammoring for Alex Smith. lol

Schaub ain't much and, unfortunately, he'll be here at least another 2 years. Anyone that mentions trading, cutting or benching him are my definition of a knee-jerker. One that refuses to be realistic. Or they're just plain dumb.

^^^This

Matt's been more productive than those big armed, mobile QBs. His biggest problem has been his performance in "big" games. The same issue Matt Ryan has been struggling with until now, He didn't win in 2008, 2010, or 2011.

Schaub isn't the QB I want, but I'm not convinced he can't take us to & win the Super Bowl. I also believe our chances are better with Schaub than any reasonable replacement.

[thunderkyss]

This was in the Chronicle four days ago. I wonder why it wasn't posted here. Maybe because it's the Chronicle??

Flacco is an inch taller than Schaub – 6-6 to 6-5 — but three pounds lighter – 232 to 235. He has been more durable in his career, but Schaub showed this season he could get up from a hit, too. He significantly outplayed Flacco in their head-to-head meeting and, while Schaub stumbled badly in December, so did Flacco.

But Flacco is something of a Mr. January, winning nine games in the postseason. That’s eight more than Schaub has won despite being in the league four seasons longer. It would indicate Flacco has the tougher mental makeup, but it also means he has been on much better teams in Baltimore than Schaub in Houston. The Ravens have made the playoffs all five seasons Flacco has been in the league. The Texans have advanced twice.

Here's another one from the 4th as well.

When it looked as if they might again fall short, they switched offensive coordinators, reemphasizing the running game, taking pressure off Flacco to win games with his arm.

They later realigned the offensive line, again taking pressure off Flacco by giving him more protection.

They also had him surrounded with playmakers such as Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, David Pitta and Ray Rice. They even used their fullbacks in the running and passing game.

Like me he remembers the change in OC was to take the ball out of Flacco's hand & put it in Ray Rice's hands, that was the idea. Didn't work out that way, but at the time, that's what the talking heads were saying & the general consensus.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

This was in the Chronicle four days ago. I wonder why it wasn't posted here. Maybe because it's the Chronicle??
Here's another one from the 4th as well.
Like me he remembers the change in OC was to take the ball out of Flacco's hand & put it in Ray Rice's hands, that was the idea. Didn't work out that way, but at the time, that's what the talking heads were saying & the general consensus.

Who is a better RB? Rice or Foster

Who is a beter WR? Smith or AJ?

Who is a better TE? Pitta/Dickson or Graham/Daniels?

Who had a better defense? Baltimore or Houston?

Re-emphasizing the running game was not abandoning it. Cadwells play calling was exceptional compared to Cameron's; it was the same offense; they just ran the same plays in adifferent sequence, they never stopped attacking whereas Cam would pull the foot off the gas when they had a lead...

[handswarmer]

BTW, Donovan McNabb just put Schaub at #10 on his list of QB's.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...Top-10-QB-list