Thoughts on Jacoby Jones

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by htowntexans1985

He didnt mature or grow into anything. He's still the butter hands and occasional homerun Player he was when he was with us. The stats say it all. He bobbled multiple punt returns as well Sunday. If a 49er would have been their to blast him either time, it would have been a whole different outcome.

But they weren't so your point is invalid.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by BullBlitz

That is certainly the version that the Texans would have you believe, because it relieves them of the responsibility of not having coached him and their special teams, as well as the embarrassment of releasing a player who went on to score two Super Bowl TDs the following season.

The fact is that Jacoby was no rookie. He was the virtually the same NFL-experienced player in 2011 as he was in 2012. The difference was that the Ravens were able to coach both Jacoby, and the special teams surrounding him, to be more effective against the opposition than the Texans were.

I said the same things in another thread about him....

Kubiak said, “He did everything I asked. I wish him the very best. I think a new start is best for him. I told him to put a smile on his face, get a new start and kick some butt in his new job.”= Mission accomplished

[Dread-Head]

Originally Posted by The Legend that is THE Texan_Bill

I trashed Jacoby Jones..

I argued that the Texans were playing a game with a rookie QB and really didn't need to play from behind.

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That said, the Texans took the opening kick-off and got a field goal...

Kicked off... and the defense stopped the Ravens.

#Beautiful

Ravens punt.

Jacoby craps the bed and all of the sudden the Ravens are up 7-3. Thanks man!!!!

EFF YOU Jacoby! We took a chance on you not only to be a return guy (which you did well, no complaints there), but also to be a #2 receiver w/AJ...

You had 5 or 6 years to work that out and he failed.

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Congratulations man!!!!

You had a helluva good game (and should've been MVP in some circles)

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Scenery changes matter. In Baltimore you're the returner, but also there, you are expected to be a 3rd or 4th receiving option.

The Texans wanted you to be a second and maybe, eventually be a #1

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Bottom Line:

You are what you are Jacoby... On the edge of "Kinda Good"

Bill I'm still waiting for hear of his vugging off and dying...but that's just me.

[sandman]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

I said the same things in another thread about him....

Kubiak said, “He did everything I asked. I wish him the very best. I think a new start is best for him. I told him to put a smile on his face, get a new start and kick some butt in his new job.”= Mission accomplished

You'd pretty much have to get a player to kick Kubiak in the nuts for him to say anything bad about them, and then he would still probably follow up with a "but he's a good kid".

Listen, Jacoby had two AMAZING plays in the Super Bowl and one against Denver. He clearly contributed to the success of the Ravens in the playoffs. I don't think anyone here is denying that.

Having the biggest game of his career in the Super Bowl was the best thing that could have ever happened to him.

I think people are more taking issue with phrasing like "coached up", "turned the corner" and "at the next level" when referring to what he did for Baltimore versus what he did for the Texans. He actually had worse punt return and receiving stats this year in the regular season, and outside of those three plays in the playoffs, was pretty much a non-factor.

If anything, especially if you look at the immediate success that Holliday had in Denver after being cut by the Texans, his success is more indicative of a better scheme from the 10 guys blocking in front of him than about any "next level" steps that he took as an individual.

For the last three years, Lardarius Webb and David Reed have had essentially the same return stats from an average yard perspective, and between the two of them were giving one return TD a year. What Jacoby did looks like more because he handled both duties instead of splitting them.

The only difference between what Jacoby gave the Ravens this year, compared to the last three years with Webb/Reed, were two more return TD's. Not saying that is something small, but it would appear that the Ravens special team unit is very much plug-and-play like the old Broncos running backs.

[AJ-80]

Jacoby's enlightening thoughts on the parade....pretty funny actually

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiBd9gnygM

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by sandman

You'd pretty much have to get a player to kick Kubiak in the nuts for him to say anything bad about them, and then he would still probably follow up with a "but he's a good kid".

Listen, Jacoby had two AMAZING plays in the Super Bowl and one against Denver. He clearly contributed to the success of the Ravens in the playoffs. I don't think anyone here is denying that.

Having the biggest game of his career in the Super Bowl was the best thing that could have ever happened to him.

I think people are more taking issue with phrasing like "coached up", "turned the corner" and "at the next level" when referring to what he did for Baltimore versus what he did for the Texans. He actually had worse punt return and receiving stats this year in the regular season, and outside of those three plays in the playoffs, was pretty much a non-factor.

If anything, especially if you look at the immediate success that Holliday had in Denver after being cut by the Texans, his success is more indicative of a better scheme from the 10 guys blocking in front of him than about any "next level" steps that he took as an individual.

For the last three years, Lardarius Webb and David Reed have had essentially the same return stats from an average yard perspective, and between the two of them were giving one return TD a year. What Jacoby did looks like more because he handled both duties instead of splitting them.

The only difference between what Jacoby gave the Ravens this year, compared to the last three years with Webb/Reed, were two more return TD's. Not saying that is something small, but it would appear that the Ravens special team unit is very much plug-and-play like the old Broncos running backs.

Red fumbled alot and made poor decisions in he return game. Webb returning kicks put him at risk as a starting corner

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Daravenator

I realize most, if not all, Houston Texans fans soured on Jacoby Jones, especially after he muffed the punt in the AFC Divisional Playoff game in Baltimore last year. Although he showed signs of greatness, he seemed to have trouble with drops while playing for the Texans.

So he was released, the Ravens signed him, and he went on to the Pro Bowl, caught a huge pass to tie the game against the Broncos in the AFC Divisional Playoff game, and made a comeback 56 yard catch for a TD and returned a second half-opening kickoff for a record 109 yards in the Super Bowl.

So, do you think he simply had "issues" while playing for the Texans, or was he simply not coached properly? It seems awfully odd that a player would have such a dramatic fall and rise so quickly in the span of one season. Had he remained a Texan, do you think he would have accomplished what he did this year, or would he have been a bust?

Give it a season or 2 and you will see what we saw, looks good the first year or two, but it wont last.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by Daravenator

Well, some of us have careers, family, and a Super Bowl parade to attend.

Irritate you? I thought it a legimate and serious question. Here's a guy basically run out of Houston on a rail, a guy many labeled a bust, a flop, a loser....and another team picks him up, dusts him off, and he winds up in the Pro Bowl, makes a game-tying late-second TD in a Divisional playoff, and scores two big TD's in a Super Bowl victory. And why did that happen? Why did he perform so much better in Baltimore than he did for the Texans?

Was it simply a change of scenery? Was it playing for a coach with a strong background in special teams, who saw something in him Kubiak did not? Was it mentoring by veteran players?

Seriously, how often does a guy get vilified and kicked out of town as a bum, and wind up a Pro Bowler, setting these NFL records in one year?

Longest kickoff return (108, tied)
Longest kickoff return in a Super Bowl (108)
Longest play in a Super Bowl (108)
Most all-purpose yards in a Super Bowl (289)

I do not think you have proven me wrong in any way, shape or form. The above speaks for itself.

No, he was the exact same player he was in Houston. His receiving stats in Baltimore this year were his lowest since 2008. His return ability has never changed, he still can be an explosive player in the return game, and he was for us. He had quite a bit of his good returns nullified here because of our horrible ST unit and coach. He did NOT perform better in Baltimore than he did here. He had a great SB, no one is going to deny that, but it won't change the fact that he did not magically get better when going to Baltimore. Kubiak/Marciano trained him to focus more on not making mistakes, Harbaugh I definitely think believed in him more and just told him to just GO. Still does not change that he did not get better in Baltimore.

Yes, it does seem like you were trying to irritate us. Posting a question in the wrong section of the forum the day after he was a big factor in you winning the Super Bowl, and then thanking us for letting him go(maybe that was not you). Do you expect us to not be bitter about that? And congrats on the SB parade you got to attend, you still disappeared after some people proved that he didn't just have a magical turnaround.