All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[Double Barrel]

So, evidence that the team loves them some Schaub is the lack of negative comments from his teammates and public support from those same players.

Yet, why isn't that same logic applied to Kubiak? The players love them some Gary and publicly support him. Why is it good to use that logic in support of Schaub but not for Kubiak?

Strange dichotomy in the missing link of logic in that one.

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Flacco just won a SB and if not for a Lee Evans dropped pass would have made the SB a yr ago.

Doesn't Flacco have the most playoff wins for the ammount of time he has been in the league? He's hardly chopped liver and has been underrated for yrs. IMHO

Flacco has the most playoff wins on the road than any QB in NFL history, as well.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Exactly .... Flacco goes on to win the SB without a new deal and Matt is sitting pretty based on nothing.

you know what's sad?

matt schaub's most important prove everybody wrong no more excuses year, this year/this past season,

he basically accomplished the same thing TJ Yates did last year.

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

you know what's sad?

matt schaub's most important prove everybody wrong no more excuses year, this year/this past season,

he basically accomplished the same thing TJ Yates did last year.

Don't kid yourself, if TJ started all of 2011 we wouldn't have made the playoffs.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by Vance87

Don't kid yourself, if TJ started all of 2011 we wouldn't have made the playoffs.

how so?

because the 2 win colts would have taken over the division?

because titans or jags would have beaten us?

we were what 7-3 when yates came in? you act as if he came in after the texans were 13-0 or something?

we would have won that division whether it was yates, schaub, or orlovsky. We won a freaking playoff game and almost beat bmore with yates come on now.

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

how so?

because the 2 win colts would have taken over the division?

because titans or jags would have beaten us?

we were what 7-3 when yates came in? you act as if he came in after the texans were 13-0 or something?

we would have won that division whether it was yates, schaub, or orlovsky. We won a freaking playoff game and almost beat bmore with yates come on now.

You do remember the Titans finished at 9-7 right? I don't even think we would have gotten to 9-7. Probably 8-8 at best.

And I distinctly remember one of those "2 win" Colts victories coming against TJ's Texans.

[Double Barrel]

The fact that you can even have this debate about a 5th string rookie QB vs. a veteran QB says a lot about Schaub without saying much at all.

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

The fact that you can even have this debate about a 5th string rookie QB vs. a veteran QB says a lot about Schaub without saying much at all.

Not really. People are making it worse than it is.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Vance87

Not really. People are making it worse than it is.

'eh, it's all about perspective. Schaub ain't nothing special. And neither is TJ Yates.

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I agree that TJ isn't anything special, but believe given the chance he would be better than Matt.

I would say if we went 6-10 or 7-9 last year and seemed to be going nowhere, I'd say try him out.

Or of course if Matt got injured and TJ played lights out, I'd say keep him in.

Other than that, we risk what we've built over the past 5 years 'just to see what happens'.

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

We know what happens ... we already know the end of the movie ... Matt fails and we lose.

Well, please indulge and apprise me of next month's lottery numbers.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I agree that TJ isn't anything special, but believe given the chance he would be better than Matt.

yep, which goes back to my original point. When you can make a reasonable argument to start TJ Yates over Matt Schaub, that says a lot about our starting QB.

As far as Vance87 thinking it's fortune telling, it's really more about the past and studying history.

And the history that really matters is in the post-season. Like Jules Winnfield said, TJ Yates and Matt Schaub are equal in that regard, both beating the Bengals and losing in the 2nd round. Both QBs are 1-1 in the playoffs.

We should hope for more from Schaub than equaling the performance of a 5th round rookie.

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

yep, which goes back to my original point. When you can make a reasonable argument to start TJ Yates over Matt Schaub, that says a lot about our starting QB.

As far as Vance87 thinking it's fortune telling, it's really more about the past and studying history.

And the history that really matters is in the post-season. Like Jules Winnfield said, TJ Yates and Matt Schaub are equal in that regard, both beating the Bengals and losing in the 2nd round. Both QBs are 1-1 in the playoffs.

We should hope for more from Schaub than equaling the performance of a 5th round rookie.

And? If I recall Peyton Manning did no better than Tim Tebow in this years' playoffs. Does that mean anything? No.

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Have you not watched Matt his entire career as I have? If you have ... you know the ending ...

Wow, you watched Matt in Atlanta too? You really are psychic.

[Vance87]

Let me just say that I'm all for whatever gets us closer to the ultimate goal.

If TJ has a sterling preseason and Matt has a poor couple of first games, then let's saddle up and start him.

Don't want people thinking I'm a Schaub groupie, I just don't see it in Yates at this point.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by Vance87

You do remember the Titans finished at 9-7 right? I don't even think we would have gotten to 9-7. Probably 8-8 at best.

And I distinctly remember one of those "2 win" Colts victories coming against TJ's Texans.

we won a playoff game with tj yates and we almost beat bmore with a 3string rookie 5th round pick at qb thrust into the starting line up because of back to back injuries to our first two qbs. we played in arguably the worst division of football that year.

we would have won the division with tj yates if he was given favorable conditions to be prepared. he wasnt.

all this is conjecture but i would bet that we would still win the division.

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

The fact that you can even have this debate about a 5th string rookie QB vs. a veteran QB says a lot about Schaub without saying much at all.

someone who gets it.

Originally Posted by Vance87

Not really. People are making it worse than it is.

someone who doesnt.

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

'eh, it's all about perspective. Schaub ain't nothing special. And neither is TJ Yates.

im not big on tj yates but if we are gonna give half a decade (and counting) to a consistently mediocre qb like matt schaub why cant we at least give tj yates an honest off season shot to see what he has?

[Vance87]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

we won a playoff game with tj yates and we almost beat bmore with a 3string rookie 5th round pick at qb thrust into the starting line up because of back to back injuries to our first two qbs. we played in arguably the worst division of football that year.

we would have won the division with tj yates if he was given favorable conditions to be prepared. he wasnt.

all this is conjecture but i would bet that we would still win the division.



someone who gets it.



someone who doesnt.



im not big on tj yates but if we are gonna give half a decade (and counting) to a consistently mediocre qb like matt schaub why cant we at least give tj yates an honest off season shot to see what he has?

If you think Yates can do better than 12-4, you're out of your freaking mind. He was 3-3 including the playoffs (I don't count the Titans game) With a way better defense and running game.

And by the way, we had the toughest schedule in the AFC last year. Yes, it's true, don't doubt me.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

So, evidence that the team loves them some Schaub is the lack of negative comments from his teammates and public support from those same players.

Yet, why isn't that same logic applied to Kubiak? The players love them some Gary and publicly support him. Why is it good to use that logic in support of Schaub but not for Kubiak?

I don't recall anyone stating that the players hated Kubiak or that they were being disrespected by Mcnair and management for keeping Kubiak around. Hell, even some of the people that hate Kubiak the most over the years haven't reached that far on their agendas to blast Kubiak. You're right that I've never seen any players blast Kubiak. Only the opposite. Not that I can recall any way. This recent part of the discussion was about whether or not if the players on the team were being disrespected because the team wouldn't release Schaub.

You have always been a pretty intelligent person DB. Surely, you can agree that is a far stretch for an agenda of hyperbole. The Texans are a pretty tight nit team and have been for years. And if we were to suggest that the team is being disrespected, shouldn't we be saying that about every player that isn't playing that well or that hit a slump towards the end of the year? Not only that, but the team can't just release their starting QB when there are cap implications and when they don't have a good replacement. They just signed Schaub so there is no way they would release him now. Suggesting that Mcnair is disrespecting the other 52 members of the team is comical considering the situation.

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

yep, which goes back to my original point. When you can make a reasonable argument to start TJ Yates over Matt Schaub, that says a lot about our starting QB.

As far as Vance87 thinking it's fortune telling, it's really more about the past and studying history.

And the history that really matters is in the post-season. Like Jules Winnfield said, TJ Yates and Matt Schaub are equal in that regard, both beating the Bengals and losing in the 2nd round. Both QBs are 1-1 in the playoffs.

We should hope for more from Schaub than equaling the performance of a 5th round rookie.

How do you even compare the two? You make this statement as if they are two boxers or MMA fighters who fought the same dude and there weren't a ton of other players that impacted the both games. Not exactly the same when they both played two teams, and when Yates threw for what 3 or 4 picks? Schaub didn't play great by any stretch, but I don't see how that tells one thing as far as a comparison. We could have had Flacco out there or Eli Manning and still lost to the Patriots and the Ravens in both of those games. Schaub's play did fall off towards the end of the season for sure though. There is no denying that.

Yates won't be our starter for any long term situation. We'll end up bringing in some other guy at some point or we'll draft someone else. Yates might get a shot at it for a while if Schaub struggles next season, but I highly doubt that he'll keep the job for any long stretch.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Write a novel. Call it "Doesn't say anything" . .....

When you write stuff like this, it's fairly obvious that you aren't capable of keeping up in the discussion.

Fictional hyperbole is what got yourself in this hole once again.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Have you not watched Matt his entire career as I have? If you have ... you know the ending ...

Have you watched the NFL over that time as well? Have you seen anyone replace a QB that has produced what Matt has over that time? Yards, TDs, INTs, completion %, QBR..... wins... Have you ever seen anyone like that get replaced without being injured?

Had Drew Bledsoe not got hurt, the world would never know Tom Brady or Tony Romo.

Had Alex Smith not got hurt, we wouldn't know Collin Kaepernick.

It doesn't make sense to me to expect Kubiak to do something that no one in their right mind would do.

As far as extending Schaub... We're paying roughly $12M/yr for a starting QB. That's not Super Bowl winning starting QB money. The Ravens are going to pay Flacco nearly twice that & lose Ray Lewis, & Ed Reed... Let's just say that's going to be an interesting team to watch.

[BullBlitz]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Have you watched the NFL over that time as well? Have you seen anyone replace a QB that has produced what Matt has over that time? Yards, TDs, INTs, completion %, QBR..... wins... Have you ever seen anyone like that get replaced without being injured?

Had Drew Bledsoe not got hurt, the world would never know Tom Brady or Tony Romo.

Had Alex Smith not got hurt, we wouldn't know Collin Kaepernick.

It doesn't make sense to me to expect Kubiak to do something that no one in their right mind would do.

As far as extending Schaub... We're paying roughly $12M/yr for a starting QB. That's not Super Bowl winning starting QB money. The Ravens are going to pay Flacco nearly twice that & lose Ray Lewis, & Ed Reed... Let's just say that's going to be an interesting team to watch.

I agree with much of your post, except the last sentence.

I don't think that this will be an interesting team to watch. I think there will be a lot of hoping, high expectations and dashed hopes. The team is loaded with a lot of talent, but neither the knowledge or much desire regarding how to actually win.

I'm looking forward to next season, but primarily to watch the teams with the good young QBs and head coaches and owners that act like they want to win.