All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[Yesterday]

So you would just as well have Schaub than Luck or Wilson or RG3 or Kap? Come on...

Cutler has achieved more than Schaub.

Schaub has Andre Johnson and had one of the best run games in the NFL. He also has arguably the best LT in the NFL.

I mean I hate to rip on the guy so much, but name ONE starting QB in the NFL who is less athletic than Schaub! Name one definitely has less arm strength than Schaub! There may be a couple, but not many.

For the love of God, could Schaub not modify his throwing mechanics / get in the weight room every once in awhile? He looks like an average Joe, not an elite athlete. Brady didn't have a cannon in '01, but he is constantly working on his throwing motion and has developed a rocket arm. Get to work Matt, because we are stuck with you.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Yesterday

So you would just as well have Schaub than Luck or Wilson or RG3 or Kap? Come on...

Cutler has achieved more than Schaub.

Schaub has Andre Johnson and had one of the best run games in the NFL. He also has arguably the best LT in the NFL.

I mean I hate to rip on the guy so much, but name ONE starting QB in the NFL who is less athletic than Schaub! Name one definitely has less arm strength than Schaub! There may be a couple, but not many.

For the love of God, could Schaub not modify his throwing mechanics / get in the weight room every once in awhile? He looks like an average Joe, not an elite athlete. Brady didn't have a cannon in '01, but he is constantly working on his throwing motion and has developed a rocket arm. Get to work Matt, because we are stuck with you.

weight room isn't going to increase his throwing mechanics or his deep ball. Arm strength pretty much is what it is. Brady doesn't have a big arm...he just anticipates better and hits guys on the run better. If I had to count the times where Andre has to stop and wait on the ball....

[Yesterday]

Weight room to make him harder to bring down / more agile (ala Big Ben)

And Brady has an absolute cannon. Top five most powerful arms in the NFL (along w/ Rodgers, Cutler, Stafford, Flacco)

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Yesterday

Weight room to make him harder to bring down / more agile (ala Big Ben)

And Brady has an absolute cannon. Top five most powerful arms in the NFL (along w/ Rodgers, Cutler, Stafford, Flacco)

The weight room isn't going to turn 30yo Shaub into Big Ben....the weight room won't turn middle aged guy more agile either. He is what he is.

[Porky]

Manning doesn't have a huge arm either - not even in his heyday. Joe Montana probably didn't have any better arm than Schaub. What the elite guys do that Schaub and medicore guys of his ilk can't do is lead guys and anticipate where to go with the ball down to which shoulder to throw too etc.

Look at Manning and Brady and how they set up their guy to get major YAC in abundance. I can't even imagine the stats that AJ would have right now if he had been drafted by NE in 2003 instead of Houston. My God. How many times does AJ have to wait on the freaking ball while slow as a slug Matt and his slow release gets wound up so he can under-throw the ball.

I've thought up until the 2nd half of this year Matt was flirting with top 10 but maybe just on the outside looking in. No longer. The guy has regressed, and has now proven he can't play on the big stage. I would put him closer to #20 than #10 now, and you aren't going to win big with that kind of guy with any real consistency. I think Hasselbeck is the perfect comparison.

And here is another issue. How many games have Brady, Manning, and the other more elite QB's missed in their career. Let's face it, Schaub is brittle. It's just a matter of time before he misses a lot of games again.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

What was there to fix?

You stated Ryan had a bad year and was far from a great QB. You were wrong. Stop just throwing out whatever and seeing if it sticks. 10 more TDs with only 2 more ints.

I said before this years play offs, Ryan, Flacco, & Schaub were in the same boat. They were all eh..... nothing special. If the Falcons/Ravens defense/running game/receivers didn't step up those guys would be thought of the same as Schaub..... eh, nothing special.

Ryan was thought to not be able to win in the post season. That obviously changed.

He also had a great play off run & is squarely ahead of Schaub because of it. Flacco has been off the chart for two post seasons in a row so yes he's definitely ahead of Schaub as well.

My point, was they were thought of about the same 6 weeks ago. Matt & his team did not step up their game like they did. We'll see what happens next year when Matt & the Texans get to the post season again.

This was neither the Ravens' or the Falcons' first trip to the play offs. They failed multiple times same as the Texans, so it's not the end of the world for the Texans or Matt Schaub. It would have been nice if the Texans could have gone all the way to the championship game or beyond like Aaron Rogers & the Packers (#2 defense took it to another level) or Sean Peyton & the Saints (Colston went off), or Harbaugh & his 49ers (Alex Smith stepped it up), or Sanchez & the Jets (#2 running game showed up, #2 defense showed up)...... but we didn't. Our QB didn't show up, our running game didn't show up, our defense didn't show up.

But for some reason everyone wants to replace the QB.

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

So Schaub was farther down the list. Right? What does that prove? It proves that his second half was really worse than it seems and that he has trouble with his arm and moving in the pocket. There is nothing really to argue. Flacco > Schaub. Ryan > Schaub right now. Not sure what your arguing. Players going up and players going down the last 2 years.

All I'm saying, is that it isn't time to close the book on Schaub.

[Porky]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Bottom line is the owner, GM, and HC are disrespecting the other 52 players on this team by not putting a QB in place that can give them a chance to win a championship. As long as they defend and stick with Matt, key free agents wont want to come here, and existing talent will not want to stay. Players know the problem and the organization looks like fools for not addressing it.

How many more years of failure do we as fans have to tolerate? As I said before, as long as the Texans keep Schaub they wont get a penny from me. I will still want my home team to do well, but I will not support the ignorance that is running rampant in this organization as it relates to the QB position.

We have a team that can win ... but not with Schaub. Either make a commitment to excellence or do something else and hand the team over to people who want to win, and are capable of making the decisions needed to do so .... McNair ...... Smith ..... Kubiak ....

Not gonna happen. Mcnair is as Milquetoast and patient and calm and steady as it gets. He will not make a bold move because bold moves have the potential to backfire. He is steady as she goes.

In short if Bob Mcnair were captain of the Titanic, the result would have been the same. No panic. I know that might be an iceberg ahead, just make a subtle move port side. Don't turn hard. We don't want to upset the passengers in steerage with the waves.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Porky

Manning doesn't have a huge arm either - not even in his heyday. Joe Montana probably didn't have any better arm than Schaub. What the elite guys do that Schaub and medicore guys of his ilk can't do is lead guys and anticipate where to go with the ball down to which shoulder to throw too etc.

Look at Manning and Brady and how they set up their guy to get major YAC in abundance. I can't even imagine the stats that AJ would have right now if he had been drafted by NE in 2003 instead of Houston. My God. How many times does AJ have to wait on the freaking ball while slow as a slug Matt and his slow release gets wound up so he can under-throw the ball.

I've thought up until the 2nd half of this year Matt was flirting with top 10 but maybe just on the outside looking in. No longer. The guy has regressed, and has now proven he can't play on the big stage. I would put him closer to #20 than #10 now, and you aren't going to win big with that kind of guy with any real consistency. I think Hasselbeck is the perfect comparison.

And here is another issue. How many games have Brady, Manning, and the other more elite QB's missed in their career. Let's face it, Schaub is brittle. It's just a matter of time before he misses a lot of games again.

Both the Mannings have helluvarm..... that's the only thing I disagree with in this post. I have absolutely no problem with this kind of criticism, because it is spot on.

Matt's arm is not the problem, his mobility is not the problem. Guys with big arms & extra mobility are a dime a dozen & will come & go before guys like Schaub are out of the league.

Matt's anticipation is no better today than it was in 2007. If his chemistry with Andre is any better, I find it hard to see evidence of it. His placement skills are way below where it should be (I think) for a guy who's played as long as he has with the guys that he's been throwing to (he's been throwing to Andre, OD, & Walter since 2007). & of course there are questions about his leadership. I don't necessarily need to see him yelling at people or making an a55 of himself on TV. But I'd like to see him talking to a receiver (WR, TE, FB, RB..... don't matter) from time to time on the sideline talking about what went wrong, what went right & seeing them get on the same page later in the game.

Complaining about his arm strength or his mobility is just begging him to be somebody we know he won't ever be. To me you're just saying, "Man I really like what these unproven QBs, playing a style that has proven to be a dead end, bring to the table. No one has ever won a Super Bowl playing like that but I'd love to waste the next 5 years trying."

& I'm not down with that. Sorry.

Oh, & I don't agree that Matt has proven that he can't take us to the Super Bowl either.

[Yesterday]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I said before this years play offs, Ryan, Flacco, & Schaub were in the same boat. They were all eh..... nothing special. If the Falcons/Ravens defense/running game/receivers didn't step up those guys would be thought of the same as Schaub..... eh, nothing special.

Ryan was thought to not be able to win in the post season. That obviously changed.

He also had a great play off run & is squarely ahead of Schaub because of it. Flacco has been off the chart for two post seasons in a row so yes he's definitely ahead of Schaub as well.

My point, was they were thought of about the same 6 weeks ago.

Thought of about the same 6 weeks ago by who? So you are basing your entire opinion of a QB based on 2 games? Maybe they were in similar boats based solely on accomplishments. But skill wise, it isn't, and has never been, close.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Matt's arm is not the problem, his mobility is not the problem. Guys with big arms & extra mobility are a dime a dozen & will come & go before guys like Schaub are out of the league.

Name some of them. Name some guys with big arms and mobility that are starting currently that will be out of the league long before Schaub.

Also, find an account and post from one account. This is getting ridiculous.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Matt's arm is not the problem, his mobility is not the problem. Guys with big arms & extra mobility are a dime a dozen & will come & go before guys like Schaub are out of the league.

I agree with you about Matt's arm. Plenty of QB's haven't "big" arms but I really disagree with the mobility part of your post. Matt Schaub makes Drew Bledsoe look like a world class sprinter in comparison.

*EDIT*

Two examples just came to mind.
A) Ken Stabler. He wasn't known for a rocket arm, but he sure was mobile which allowed him to extend plays.
B) Fran Tarkenton (see A)

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by Yesterday

So you would just as well have Schaub than Luck or Wilson or RG3 or Kap? Come on...

Cutler has achieved more than Schaub.

Schaub has Andre Johnson and had one of the best run games in the NFL. He also has arguably the best LT in the NFL.

I mean I hate to rip on the guy so much, but name ONE starting QB in the NFL who is less athletic than Schaub! Name one definitely has less arm strength than Schaub! There may be a couple, but not many.

For the love of God, could Schaub not modify his throwing mechanics / get in the weight room every once in awhile? He looks like an average Joe, not an elite athlete. Brady didn't have a cannon in '01, but he is constantly working on his throwing motion and has developed a rocket arm. Get to work Matt, because we are stuck with you.

there's always an excuse when it comes to schaub. His repugnant apologists want every condition in schaub's favor until they hold him accountable.

schau doesnt have strong arm and is not very athletic so you would think you can depend on his smarts, decision making, leadership, calmness to compensate for his physical liabilities.

The problem with schaub is he's not very good at those either.

So what do we have with schaub?

A guy who is not mobile at all, has a weak arm, no leadership skills, not very calm in the pocket when it breaks down, and has horrible decision making skills.

IF you dont have it physically, you should have it mentally.

Schaub has neither yet the front office and some texan fans still dont want to give up on him and feel like its such an arduous task to find a replacement whose better.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Yesterday

So you would just as well have Schaub than Luck or Wilson or RG3 or Kap? Come on...

Dude..... Oliver Luck sucked!

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Name some of them. Name some guys with big arms and mobility that are starting currently that will be out of the league long before Schaub.

Kaepernick & Wilson

I'll even go retro, Jason Campbell, David Carr, Michael Vick (the second time), Tim Tebow, Kevin Kolb, Chad Henne, Derek Anderson, Vince Young, Bruce Gradkowski,

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

IF you dont have it physically, you should have it mentally.

Schaub has neither yet the front office and some texan fans still dont want to give up on him and feel like its such an arduous task to find a replacement whose better.

just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Kaepernick & Wilson

I'll even go retro, Jason Campbell, David Carr, Michael Vick (the second time), Tim Tebow, Kevin Kolb, Chad Henne, Derek Anderson, Vince Young, Bruce Gradkowski,

lol wut?

those guys are about to be franchise level qbs.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

so you think matt is a great leader who makes great decisions, has a lot of moxie, and is very cagey in the pocket who is a beast physically?

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Bottom line is the owner, GM, and HC are disrespecting the other 52 players on this team by not putting a QB in place that can give them a chance to win a championship.

Yeah, well show someone where the players feel that way?? Stop making stuff up and prove this for a change. The other 52 players are always giving Schaub support and displaying confidence in him and have for years. You may see it that way, but the players don't. And why aren't you throwing a hissy fit over the players being disrespected over the lack of WR's on this team or the average kicker that we have? If you'd actually analyze all aspects of this team instead of one player that you seem to be obsessed with, people might actually take you seriously.

Originally Posted by ckhouston

As long as they defend and stick with Matt, key free agents wont want to come here, and existing talent will not want to stay. Players know the problem and the organization looks like fools for not addressing it.

Key free agents will go where they can get paid and where they have a chance to win. The Texans being in the playoffs for two straight seasons helps that a lot, and all season long there were a lot of players around the league giving the Texans a lot of props and saying great things about this organization. You're way off with this statement above.

Originally Posted by ckhouston

How many more years of failure do we as fans have to tolerate? As I said before, as long as the Texans keep Schaub they wont get a penny from me. I will still want my home team to do well, but I will not support the ignorance that is running rampant in this organization as it relates to the QB position.

Well, you might as well not pay attention for a few years then, because the Texans aren't doing anything with Schaub for a while. And while you're talking about failure here, I guess every other team in the league failed the same way as the Texans did including the 49ers. God, those Niner fans sure as hell shouldn't accept the failure they got this season and neither should the Falcons. Lol!

THe Texans had a pretty strong run this season and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. They had a pretty successful season.

Originally Posted by ckhouston

We have a team that can win ... but not with Schaub. Either make a commitment to excellence or do something else and hand the team over to people who want to win, and are capable of making the decisions needed to do so .... McNair ...... Smith ..... Kubiak ....

Until the team finds a suitable replacement for Schaub they won't be finding a guy "that can win" according to your standards. Schaub won a lot of games this season, but it seems like the only way that you're happy is if they're 16-0 or a SB winner. Anything else is total and utter failure. It must suck to be you as far as being a fan goes then, because under those standards most fans would only be happy every 20 years or so.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

Yeah, well show someone where the players feel that way?? Stop making stuff up and prove this for a change. The other 52 players are always giving Schaub support and displaying confidence in him and have for years. You may see it that way, but the players don't. And why aren't you throwing a hissy fit over the players being disrespected over the lack of WR's on this team or the average kicker that we have? If you'd actually analyze all aspects of this team instead of one player that you seem to be obsessed with, people might actually take you seriously.



Key free agents will go where they can get paid and where they have a chance to win. The Texans being in the playoffs for two straight seasons helps that a lot, and all season long there were a lot of players around the league giving the Texans a lot of props and saying great things about this organization. You're way off with this statement above.



Well, you might as well not pay attention for a few years then, because the Texans aren't doing anything with Schaub for a while. And while you're talking about failure here, I guess every other team in the league failed the same way as the Texans did including the 49ers. God, those Niner fans sure as hell shouldn't accept the failure they got this season and neither should the Falcons. Lol!

THe Texans had a pretty strong run this season and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. They had a pretty successful season.



Until the team finds a suitable replacement for Schaub they won't be finding a guy "that can win" according to your standards. Schaub won a lot of games this season, but it seems like the only way that you're happy is if they're 16-0 or a SB winner. Anything else is total and utter failure. It must suck to be you as far as being a fan goes then, because under those standards most fans would only be happy every 20 years or so.

you must be the biggest matt schaub stan in this entire site.

"His teammates support him"

smdh are you seriously gonna use that line? What else are they suppose to say?

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

lol wut?

those guys are about to be franchise level qbs.

We'll see.

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

so you think matt is a great leader who makes great decisions, has a lot of moxie, and is very cagey in the pocket who is a beast physically?

No. Matt needs to take his game to the next level. But he's got a lot more than what you're giving him credit for. There's no way he could have done what he's done if you're correct.