All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[BullBlitz]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Well this one isn't it because AJ is faster than JJ.

Seriously doubt that AJ can keep up with JJ.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by BullBlitz

Seriously doubt that AJ can keep up with JJ.

Doubt it all you want. AJ was a collegiate sprint champion (both 60 and 100 meter). JJ not even close. AJ has always been at the top in fastest man competitions in the NFL. JJ has said both publicly and privately (yes I know someone in position to make this assertion) AJ is faster.

Having said that, I would not be surprised if JJ beat AJ to 15 yds down field. AJ has long and deceptive speed. He's a long strider. His primary event was 100 m. He doesn't look as fast as he is. JJ busts returns based on having wiggle and then sufficient speed.

Bottom line Flacco underthrew that ball. Flaccco has a big arm but I tell people all the time there is a ton of discretion in trying to hit a receiver 40 yards down the field. There are lots of reasons it happens. Its funny how people are much less critical of QB's who have bad judgement and consitently overthrow receivers like Carr.

[BullBlitz]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Doubt it all you want. AJ was a collegiate sprint champion (both 60 and 100 meter). JJ not even close. AJ has always been at the top in fastest man competitions in the NFL. JJ has said both publicly and privately (yes I know someone in position to make this assertion) AJ is faster.

Having said that, I would not be surprised if JJ beat AJ to 15 yds down field. AJ has long and deceptive speed. He's a long strider. His primary event was 100 m. He doesn't look as fast as he is. JJ busts returns based on having wiggle and then sufficient speed.

Bottom line Flacco underthrew that ball. Flaccco has a big arm but I tell people all the time there is a ton of discretion in trying to hit a receiver 40 yards down the field. There are lots of reasons it happens. Its funny how people are much less critical of QB's who have bad judgement and consitently overthrow receivers like Carr.

Thanks. I will.

[Texanmike02]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

That one he was looking for the PI on was pathetic.

But I don't have an issue with Matt under throwing the ball, its how often he under throws regardless how open his receiver is. Joe will throw his receiver open every now & then.


Damn Jacoby Jones all the way. 109 yards.

Acting like Matt doesn't either is just foolish though. Receivers were making plays for flacco. My point was that flacco under throws Jacoby and Jacoby makes a hell of a play. We have one player on our team capable of doing that. Their third received makes that play, oh and Flacco was throwing to open revievers. That TD was a nice throw but the guy had his man clearly beat.

Mike

[Textan]

Comparing Flacco, a mobile, clutch QB to our sloth called Schaub, seriously?
Wow.

[TEXANRED]

Flacco threw 3 TD's in the Superbowl. Did Schaub even throw a single TD all post season?

[PapaL]

Flacco had 32 rushing attempts for 22 yards
Schaub had 21 for -9

I hardly consider either mobile.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

Flacco threw 3 TD's in the Superbowl. Did Schaub even throw a single TD all post season?

Yes. He threw two.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Texanmike02

Acting like Matt doesn't either is just foolish though. Receivers were making plays for flacco. My point was that flacco under throws Jacoby and Jacoby makes a hell of a play. We have one player on our team capable of doing that. Their third received makes that play, oh and Flacco was throwing to open revievers. That TD was a nice throw but the guy had his man clearly beat.

Mike

I don't really want to get into this pile it on Schaub thing. But my answer to why I'll give Flacco a pass on an underthrown ball & not give Schaub that same pass stands.

Flacco has been the better QB in January, in the regular season Matt was clearly the better of the two.

[Norg]

i used to be the one that said all time

Schaub>>>>Flacco

Schaub was just more of a vet wiser could read Dees very quick pre snap and much faster knew how to go through his reads and knew were to go with the ball

i really cant say that anymore : (


Flacco is now better

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Norg

i used to be the one that said all time

Schaub>>>>Flacco

Schaub was just more of a vet wiser could read Dees very quick pre snap and much faster knew how to go through his reads and knew were to go with the ball

i really cant say that anymore : (


Flacco is now better

eh... the story book is still open. To me, being elite is about playing at a high level over a long period of time. I don't think Flacco has done the "long period of time" thing. He's played well, very well in the post season over the last two years. But in the regular season, he's avg.

Schaub has been better than avg since he's been here. The only thing Matt's been missing has been wins, but wins is more of a team thing. Over the last two/three years, his win percentage has been shooting up & I think that's going to continue to trend up as the team continues to get better.

It's hard to believe, but Schaub's only 31 years old. He's still got a lot of time ahead of him. He's going to put together some play off wins & he's going to win a Super Bowl or two.

[Texanmike02]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

Flacco threw 3 TD's in the Superbowl. Did Schaub even throw a single TD all post season?

Jacoby and crab tree took two passes and beasted their way into the end zone. If our receivers made the kind of plays that flaccos did there is no telling how good we could be. Our recieving core flat out doesnt make either of those playd unless AJ makes it.

Mike

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by buddyboy

The situation I keep reliving is the Rockets; being stuck in mediocrity and fans constantly demanding a "superstar" and then complaining with Morey's attempts failed.

Yeah, we (the Rockets) could have tanked. Tanking has been proven to be the best chance at getting a superstar. Tanking has also led to some of the most pathetic franchises ever (the Bobcats).

Also, how many mid-round qbs have proven to be studs? Russell Wilson is a rookie, you can't call him a stud yet (look at how great Cam and Matt Stafford have been after promising starts). For every Russell Wilson, there are two Kevin Kolbs (or more). Even first round QBs are dangerous (Carr/Ponder/Gabbert).

Stafford has been fine and Cam hit a sophomore slump at the beginning of the year. I'd rather have both.over Schaub. And this isn't really like the Rockets either.

[ThaShark316]

Originally Posted by buddyboy

The situation I keep reliving is the Rockets; being stuck in mediocrity and fans constantly demanding a "superstar" and then complaining with Morey's attempts failed.

Yeah, we (the Rockets) could have tanked. Tanking has been proven to be the best chance at getting a superstar. Tanking has also led to some of the most pathetic franchises ever (the Bobcats).

Also, how many mid-round qbs have proven to be studs? Russell Wilson is a rookie, you can't call him a stud yet (look at how great Cam and Matt Stafford have been after promising starts). For every Russell Wilson, there are two Kevin Kolbs (or more). Even first round QBs are dangerous (Carr/Ponder/Gabbert).

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[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

Stafford has been fine and Cam hit a sophomore slump at the beginning of the year. I'd rather have both over Schaub.

Which is funny. A few years ago, all that matters was the Ws.... now, that's not good enough. Matt's got to look pretty while we win.

You want to give up on a QB who averages 93 QB rating over the last 6 years, 64% completion rating, 20 TD/yr, he's won 75% of his games over the last two years for a guy who cries on the sideline when he's not winning.

I like Cam Newton, I like to watch him play. But just because he's more mobile does not mean we'll win more games. Romo is more mobile than Schaub , Kolb is more mobile than Schaub..... everybody out there is more mobile than Schaub but very few of them have more wins than Schaub over the last two years. Roethlisberger, a SB winning QB doesn't have as many wins as Schaub over the last two years. Schaub has more play off wins than that mobile QB over the last two years.

Trust me, I do not think Schaub is the best QB in the league, or even close. But I would not trade Schaub for a virtually unproven QB that plays a style that has had limited success in this league.

Just doesn't make sense to me.

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

Which is funny. A few years ago, all that matters was the Ws.... now, that's not good enough. Matt's got to look pretty while we win.

You want to give up on a QB who averages 93 QB rating over the last 6 years, 64% completion rating, 20 TD/yr, he's won 75% of his games over the last two years for a guy who cries on the sideline when he's not winning.

I like Cam Newton, I like to watch him play. But just because he's more mobile does not mean we'll win more games. Romo is more mobile than Schaub , Kolb is more mobile than Schaub..... everybody out there is more mobile than Schaub but very few of them have more wins than Schaub over the last two years. Roethlisberger, a SB winning QB doesn't have as many wins as Schaub over the last two years. Schaub has more play off wins than that mobile QB over the last two years.

Trust me, I do not think Schaub is the best QB in the league, or even close. But I would not trade Schaub for a virtually unproven QB that plays a style that has had limited success in this league.

Just doesn't make sense to me.

See, if we had Newton or Stafford,I believe we would win more games. Put Schaub on Carolina or Detroit and they are worse. He doesng have what it takes to get the team where we want he. He is a backup. Newtown and Stafford are young qbs with much more potential. This is a qb friendly system, where Schaub gets open by himself with no one around him, yet still can't hit a receiver in stride unless he is in Denver, or run for the first down when it is four yards away. Schaub's style of weak-armed, immobile, pocket passer stinks.

I'd love to have him as a backup though.

[LonerATO]

Originally Posted by buddyboy

The situation I keep reliving is the Rockets; being stuck in mediocrity and fans constantly demanding a "superstar" and then complaining with Morey's attempts failed.

Yeah, we (the Rockets) could have tanked. Tanking has been proven to be the best chance at getting a superstar. Tanking has also led to some of the most pathetic franchises ever (the Bobcats).

Also, how many mid-round qbs have proven to be studs? Russell Wilson is a rookie, you can't call him a stud yet (look at how great Cam and Matt Stafford have been after promising starts). For every Russell Wilson, there are two Kevin Kolbs (or more). Even first round QBs are dangerous (Carr/Ponder/Gabbert).

That's on Les for not wanting to actually tear it all down and rebuild all of those years, but they essentially rebuilt the team this year and have a chance at competing in the future.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

See, if we had Newton or Stafford,I believe we would win more games. Put Schaub on Carolina or Detroit and they are worse. He doesng have what it takes to get the team where we want he. He is a backup. Newtown and Stafford are young qbs with much more potential. This is a qb friendly system, where Schaub gets open by himself with no one around him, yet still can't hit a receiver in stride unless he is in Denver, or run for the first down when it is four yards away. Schaub's style of weak-armed, immobile, pocket passer stinks.

I'd love to have him as a backup though.

If what you're saying is true, Jake Plummer would have won a Super Bowl in Denver. Shanahan would not have had to "adapt" his system to accomodate RG3... heck, Grossman & Beck would have gotten their team into the play offs. Or at least had winning seasons. But they couldn't win more than 6 games in this "system"

There are things that Stafford & Newton can do that Matt can't; but because of those things, there are things they won't do that Matt does & does very well. There will be some games we'll win that we wouldn't have with Matt, but there are going to be games we lose that we wouldn't have with Matt. It's nice to think everything else would have been the same, just add "young mobile QB"

But it don't work that way.

What do we have that Carolina doesn't have? Put Matt Schaub on that team & they win the T.O.P. Their defense gives up less yards, because they aren't on the field. Same thing in Detroit. Ndamukong Suh isn't Jj Watt, but he's much better when he's sitting on the sideline all day & coming in to explode for 3 or 5 minutes every 30 minutes or so.

Chances are that the Panthers are going to bounce back next year & get close to something but the talk is still going to be about Cam Newton needing to get better from the pocket. Stafford has to get better from the pocket. RG3, Wilson, & Kaepernick are going to have to get better from the pocket........ there is no way around it.

& it's not like Matt is "scared" to throw the ball. I know that's what everyone is saying now, but he still threw for 4000 yards, with one WR. Andre had another 1500 yard season.

I know it's just stats, but nobody wants to hear about us winning 12 games in the regular season, or a game in the play offs.

Everything they're saying about Schaub right now was said just 6 weeks ago about last nights Super Bowl MVP. Same things were said about Matt Ryan. Same thing (can't win the big game, don't win in the play offs) was said about Peyton Manning.

I think everyone is just a little too emotional right now. Hopefully by September everyone will get their faith back in Matt Schaub & I can go back to harping on his short comings.

[HOU-TEX]

Both QBs last night have cannons for arms. I wouldn't say arm strength defines the position, but good grief, they were flinging it practically every throw. Watching these youngins play the QB position the past couple years is really beginning to wear on me. Especially having gone through what we went through the last 4-6 games.

I've never really been for or against Schaub, but it's been getting very hard to keep my balance on the fence lately

[HoustonFrog]

Flacco in the playoffs....11 TDs, 0 interceptions and a 124.0 QB rating in the Super Bowl. Give me a break. He is WAY better than Schaub. Once they got rid of Cam Cameron and let him play if kind of ball he was 5-2 with 15 TDs and 2 ints. He hadn't thrown an int since December 16th.