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Old 01-14-2013   #61
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Russell Wilson, wasn't he a 2012 3rd rounder?
Yep. If he could have waited, he'd be a Chief in a few months.
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Yep. If he could have waited, he'd be a Chief in a few months.
He would've gotten passed up in favor of guys who are bigger than him, just like in 2012.
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Height 6'2
228 pounds
4.9 40 yard dash time

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Height-Weight-Speed 3
Possesses average height and bulk along with good top-end speed for the position.

Durability 3
Bruised his throwing shoulder (right) against Ohio State in 2009 and was forced to miss the following week against Washington. In addition, had surgery on his right wrist following the 2010 season to relieve stiffness and clean up inflammation. In 2010 sustained a left ankle sprain against Oregon State and was forced to miss the second half of that game as well as the following week against Notre Dame. Pieced together a healthy and full 2011 season which has eased some durability concerns at this point.

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A very disciplined and religious individual. A natural leader who kept team together in amidst of former Coach Pete Carroll leaving for the Seattle Seahawks and the program being handed down severe sanctions by the NCAA in the off-season before the fall of 2010. A three time team captain and was the first sophomore in USC history to be named team captain. Understands the necessary sacrifices both on the field and in the weight and film room to be successful at the position. Holds a career mark of 27-9 in 36 starts through first three seasons. Matt and his family have spent recent Christmas' volunteering with orphans in third world countries.


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A polished prospect that possesses a high football IQ and shoulders a tremendous amount of responsibility conducting a pro-style offense. Possesses great field awareness and has a thorough understanding of game situations. Processes information quickly both with pre and post-snap. Sees the entire field and consistently can get to second and third progressions. Savvy and can manipulate coverage with pump fakes. Oblivious to the rush and will sit in the pocket and make throw under duress. Calm and executed well working against pressure and rarely takes sacks. Can anticipate throwing lanes. Much improved in terms of a decision maker and taking care of the ball in 2011.

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Overall accuracy is good. Consistently hits the mark with short-to-intermediate throws. Shows excellent touch and placement with shallow crosses and slants and allows receivers to maximize yards after the catch. Also shows ability to deliver an accurate ball when feet are not set and off-balance. Still struggled to find consistency in 2011 with deeper intermediate and down field throws. Needs to show more touch with long ball to provide targets more room for error to adjust. Above-average accuracy on the move both rolling to his right and left.

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Possesses a quick over-the-top to 3/4 release and flashes ability to change release point if need be. Arm strength is adequate. Does not have prototypical capabilities to drive the ball and stretch the field vertically as a Joe Flacco or Ben Roethlisberger. However, did show ability to make all the necessary NFL type throws including getting good velocity on deep out throws from opposite hash.

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Has limitations athletically but makes up for it with savvy in the pocket. Pocket instincts and poise to sit the pocket, keep eyes downfield and get through progressions is one the best we've seen at the collegiate level. Does a nice job of using subtle movements avoid the rush while keeping eyes down field while securing the ball with two hands. Does not panic when feeling pocket collapsing. Never going to a threat running the ball but can escape the pocket and buy time to extend plays.
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During Christmas 2008, Barkley went with a group of friends and family to help run an orphanage in South Africa.[11][14] He appears on I Am Second, sharing the story of his Christian faith and personal relationship with Jesus Christ.[42] At the beginning of his USC career, Barkley befriended former USC Olympian, World War II prisoner of war and inspirational speaker, Louis Zamperini.
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2013 NFL Draft: Is There a Colin Kaepernick or Russell Wilson to Be Found?
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While I appreciate all the effort here guys (especially since I saw almost zero college ball this season) I can't help but take the devils advocate approach...

You guys are focusing on the qb's we SHOULD be looking at and not the qb kubiak will be looking at.

Kubiak had an average arm and wheels. That's what he wants.

Find me an unknown qb who:

Is a yes man
3 year or better starter
Not a plus arm
Not a plus leader
Not plus mobility
Even keel demeanor
Comming off injury
Former tight end

Kubiak takes pride indirectly showing us his success is because of his "brilliant" scheme and not overwhelming talent. I believe a vick type talent could be available and Kube would skip him if he didnt trust him. Find me someone mediocre with no ceiling.
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While I appreciate all the effort here guys (especially since I saw almost zero college ball this season) I can't help but take the devils advocate approach...

You guys are focusing on the qb's we SHOULD be looking at and not the qb kubiak will be looking at.

Kubiak had an average arm and wheels. That's what he wants.

Find me an unknown qb who:

Is a yes man
3 year or better starter
Not a plus arm
Not a plus leader
Not plus mobility
Even keel demeanor
Comming off injury
Former tight end

Kubiak takes pride indirectly showing us his success is because of his "brilliant" scheme and not overwhelming talent. I believe a vick type talent could be available and Kube would skip him if he didnt trust him. Find me someone mediocre with no ceiling.
I think the closest you will get to that is Landry Jones, and he will probably be there in the 3rd for us. If I was predicting who the Texans will pick in this next draft (if they take a QB at all), it would be Jones.
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I think the closest you will get to that is Landry Jones, and he will probably be there in the 3rd for us. If I was predicting who the Texans will pick in this next draft (if they take a QB at all), it would be Jones.
And I really do not want Jones. We have Yates. If we're drafting a QB he should have franchise potential i.e., Barkley, Bray, maybe Dysert, maybe Wilson.
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Yeah, I don't really know what to tell you. Barkley is not the same person as Lienart, Palmer, John David Booty or Sanchez. Sure that's a poor list of NFL QBs from USC, but you can't evaluate a guy on things that have nothing to do with him. If you want to say that everyone might be underestimating Barkley simply because his headcoach is a moron, or everyone could be overrating him due to poor competition, great pass protection, or his top notch WRs, I can understand that. But don't fault the guy just because of the school he came from.

I like Barkley as a steal this draft. I think he could be there at #27 and is worthy of a trade up if necessary. Barkley was hurt this past season and that has affected his draft stock immensely. There's a lot to like about him:

- Excellent high school resume. His coach loved him and let him call plays at the LOS on his own back then.
- Four year starter at USC, first true freshman QB to start the first game of the season at USC.
- He has a good arm with a range of 55-60 yards in the air
- He played in a pro-style offense at USC and took a lot of snaps under center
- I think he has good footwork, but others around here are better suited at evaluating that
- I like watching him go through progressions on longer plays. He at least does a decent job of this, but I do see a lot of one read throws. Might be the play calling, not sure.
- I have seen him roll out on play action naked bootlegs many times and make the plays down field or even tuck the ball and run for positive yards
- He looks good at evading tackles, not Vick or RG3-like, but Tony Romo evasiveness. That's a huge upgrade from Schaub, and it allows him to extend plays.
- I have seen him directing receivers on broken plays where he rolled out and found an open man to hit while extending the play and keeping his eyes downfield. I really like seeing that.
- I love his touch passes to the sidelines. Something the Texans sorely lack with Matt Schaub is that he does not have a clue how to drop a pass on a WR's outside shoulder down the sideline or in the corner of the end zone. Barkley seems to have knack for hitting the outside shoulder of the receiver on short and mid range routes, which makes it more difficult to intercept his throws.
- He was the starting QB of a big school, which put a lot of pressure on him and will make him more ready for the scrutiny of an NFL QB position.
- Is above average (at least) at throwing on the run, which he does quite a bit on bootlegs. That fits well with the Texans' offense.
- He can run if needed, he ran a few QB draws or playaction fakes that lead to him rolling out and running with the ball to get a first down or at least a few yards.
- Good pump fake
- Pretty good about getting rid of the ball when under a lot of pressure.
- Clean character, devout Christian and lots of charity work. Kind of a Tebow-lite in this aspect, but not as in-your-face about it, nor as creepy.


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Lots of passes in the USC offense are short routes and screens. He's good at getting them the ball, but they don't always go very far. A few too many checkdowns for my liking.
2012 was clearly a worse year than his 2011 performance. He may have regressed a bit, but I'm not sure why. Had pretty poor o-line protection in 2012, so I think that may be the big difference. Matt Kalil drafted last year, and their replacement LT doesn't look anywhere near as good. His center and guards were pretty poor in a few games. I hope nobody mocks any of the USC o-line to us...
Injuries - Missed 4 games out of 51 potential starts in his four year career. Has had some shoulder injuries prior to the one his senior year.
Height 6'1 1/2 - Some sites list him as 6'2. I wouldn't be worried about it.
Date of birth: September 8, 1990 (age 22) - Still kind of young, but he has been starting at QB since high school.
I suppose it's just superstition on my part, then... little leery of that school. In any case, it's not like Matt Barkley sucks. He's got the tools, but something fell apart this season for him. Either his team let him down or the other way around, but I'll leave Rick Smith and the scouts to judge whether that was on him or his team.

Though... Barkley in the first, Robert Woods in the second? Sounds pretty nice, actually. I won't knock him on his height (after Russell Wilson's season I don't think anyone will knock on height). I'm worried about the checkdowns. I hope that's not his mentality, because I'm afraid Kubes would just rein him in with the checkdowns and we'd end up with Matt Schaub II. I like that he's effective rolling out of the pocket, though. That's one thing I don't like about Schaub is that too often he looks for the little five yard dumpoff even on designed rollouts and when he's pressured out the pocket, it's basically a throw to the sidelines every single time. If Barkley was good for 15-30 yards on even the well executed plays (because more and more often Schaub is not) he'd be good at moving the chains for us.
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Sounds like Texans are getting more serious about taking a QB earlier than expected. So guess we have to really consider options?

2nd/3rd rd. Zac Dysert anyone?

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2012/...-qb-zac-dysert
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Sounds like Texans are getting more serious about taking a QB earlier than expected. So guess we have to really consider options?

2nd/3rd rd. Zac Dysert anyone?

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2012/...-qb-zac-dysert
I'm sorry, what is it that makes you think the Texans are serious about taking a QB early?

How does this Dysert guy compare to Tj Yates' scouting report?
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Sounds like Texans are getting more serious about taking a QB earlier than expected. So guess we have to really consider options?

2nd/3rd rd. Zac Dysert anyone?

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2012/...-qb-zac-dysert
I love Dysert. If he's there in the third and the Texans took him I'd be excited...
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Leave it to the Texans to look for a QB the year after one of the best QB classes in decades, 2012, and now try to find a QB in what looks like an average at best bunch of QB candidates. We're always a day late and a dollar short.
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I'm sorry, what is it that makes you think the Texans are serious about taking a QB early?

How does this Dysert guy compare to Tj Yates' scouting report?
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/01/...rterback-high/

there was quite a bit of talk actually a whole segment on this topic. Here was just a quick blurb from Hub Arkush. I will say this much, if Texans feel that bpa is a QB sitting there #27 or there is a QB they covet little later, maybe trade down not to loose a selection doing so, that would be optimum IMO.


For argument sake, lets say it is Dysert, ok. 3rd rd. grade right? Trade out of the first & nail down ILB without over drafting position, lets just say Minter, LSU. In exchange you pick up another teams 3rd rd. pick, Texans could use that pick on Dysert (early to mid) before their own pick to ensure they get him. Texans would still have two third round picks they could use or trade again, so on & so on. It can happen their are multiple options open to creative minds & Rick Smith has proven, IMO, the ability to bring in talent needed.
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After hearing everyone talk about Dysert, I was excited to see him in the Senior Bowl. I know it's only one game and a week of practices but I was really impressed. I'd love to grab a QB but I don't see anyone in this class that's exciting.
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After hearing everyone talk about Dysert, I was excited to see him in the Senior Bowl. I know it's only one game and a week of practices but I was really impressed. I'd love to grab a QB but I don't see anyone in this class that's exciting.
I did not like how he played. The majority of his completions were checkdowns to the RB. He rarely went downfield.

Hasn't that been a board criticism of Schaub for years?
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I did not like how he played. The majority of his completions were checkdowns to the RB. He rarely went downfield.

Hasn't that been a board criticism of Schaub for years?
Dysert is better than he showed at the senior bowl. I agree he looked bad but he does have some good skills. That said I'm not sold on any of the Qb's in this draft class anymore. I would just pass on the Qb's and hope for McCarron next year.
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I did not like how he played. The majority of his completions were checkdowns to the RB. He rarely went downfield.
It's difficult to make an assessment of a QB from an all star game, or a combine. Especially a game where the o-lines were manhandled by the d-lines. What you can see is if his natural ability pops out. I didn't see anything from Dysert that popped out at the Senior Bowl. But, Tom Brady didn't pop out at the Shrine game, and was drafted in the 6th round.

QB is such a tough position to project in the NFL. You need someone in the organization that really knows what they're looking at when scouting college QBs. I don't know if the Texans have that guy.
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This QB class is pretty weak, I don't quite see the value in drafting one.

Dysert seems to be a maybe, unlike Wilson, and that doesn't excite me enough.
I think I'll pass on this class and wait for the next one.
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Well, too bad there's OB prospects aren't as good as last year. Maybe next year. Let's see what TJ and Case bring us on table next year. Perhaps, this is the year for us to look for #2WR in early rounds?
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“I am not sold on (Syracuse QB) Ryan Nassib’s arm strength. He has really short arms. He’s not a great runner, but he is one of the better pure passers I have seen. He’s better than Kirk Cousins.”
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