Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Texcore

That right there is proof enough that Schaub can't carry a team. He tried and failed. It wasn't until we built a good defense up and a powerful running game that Schaub made it, only as a bus driver mind you. We don't win games because of Schaub, we win because of Foster and the defense.

We are just wasting time with Schaub at QB, and it pisses me right off that he is holding us back...

Alright, the bolded is within my top 10 or 15 dumbest posts ever on this board!!

(2nd bolded part) Deal with it because you're stuck with it for the next couple of years. Damnit!!! TJ Yates is such a better option.. My bad!!

[ATXtexanfan]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

That said, it's apples to oranges. Flacco took over an already pretty good team, defensively and otherwise. Schaub took over shyte...

My point is this.... While Flacco doesn't suck as much as he is percieved to, he's nothing special either.

Schaub on ravens = no superbowl. Flacco can throw ball thirty yards farther than schaub. Nothing special. Ask Denver and new England. Schaub beat the Bengals and so did Yates. By the way. Schaub has no important victories. Flacco had six on the road in the playoffs. Name a big win by schaub? Name a win when the Texans weren't favored. Dude your love affair for schaub and kubiak makes McClain jealous.

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Alright, the bolded is within my top 10 or 15 dumbest posts ever on this board!!

(2nd bolded part) Deal with it because you're stuck with it for the next couple of years. Damnit!!! TJ Yates is such a better option.. My bad!!

And that is your retort to stated facts?

Get over your manlove for Schaub dude...it makes you look foolish!

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by dream_team

Once again... re-read my post. I did NOT say I think Schaub is better than Flacco. I can't change how you'll interpret my posts, so I may be wasting my time.

Also, pro-bowl voting is only 1/3rd fan voting, so it is NOT largely fan voting. Plus, if you see in my previous post, it looks like Schaub was 5th in fan voting. So he did not get some type of overwhelming response from the fans.

These are the facts... the NFL asked players & coaches to pick a QB to represent the AFC in the pro-bowl. More often than not, they chose Schaub over Flacco.

Once again, no opinions... just facts.

Seriously dude, nobody cares about the probowl.

And again you skip over the most important facts of all. Why don't you address these......PRODUCTION and BIG WINS. Flacco has quite a few, Shaub none.

[bOODRO87]

For my first post on TT... (I'm usually posting on the other board)

Flacco has clearly separated any comparison with Schaub after this post season. Flacco performed well when the games got bigger.

Here's Schaub's QBR in our "big" games.

Greenbay - 37.9
Chicago - 18.5
1st NE game - 19.1

Now let's jump to our TWO chances to clinch HFA with our franchise QB healthy as can be.

Minnesota - 46.2
Indy - 37.1

Post season QBR average comes out to 62 even with an INT in each game.

He sure does rise to the occasion, doesn't he?

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Texcore

That right there is proof enough that Schaub can't carry a team. He tried and failed. It wasn't until we built a good defense up and a powerful running game that Schaub made it, only as a bus driver mind you. We don't win games because of Schaub, we win because of Foster and the defense.

We are just wasting time with Schaub at QB, and it pisses me right off that he is holding us back...

Since Tom Brady will be sitting at home watching Flacco in the Super Bowl, does that mean that Brady's better days are behind him? That he was a better QB at one time, but now he can't "carry his team"

Is Flacco better than Big Ben? If you had to choose one or the other to start a new team, are you telling me you would pick Flacco?

Is Flacco better than Rogers? Same thing, you're going to start your team, have to choose Flacco or Rogers... who you taking?

Flacco getting to the Super Bowl does not prove anything about his ability as a QB. It proves he is on the better team. It proves that his team was able to stop the Patriots from scoring enough points to win the game...... that's it.

Flacco is not better than Romo, not better than Bradford or Stafford, not better than Rogers, Brees, Brady.... he's on a better team.

Flacco may very well be better than Schaub, but being in the Super Bowl is no more proof of that than it is proof that Jacoby is a better receiver than Andre Johnson.

Ray Rice is not better than Arian.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by bOODRO87

For my first post on TT... (I'm usually posting on the other board)

Flacco has clearly separated any comparison with Schaub after this post season. Flacco performed well when the games got bigger.

Here's Schaub's QBR in our "big" games.

Greenbay - 37.9
Chicago - 18.5
1st NE game - 19.1

Now let's jump to our TWO chances to clinch HFA with our franchise QB healthy as can be.

Minnesota - 46.2
Indy - 37.1

Post season QBR average comes out to 62 even with an INT in each game.

He sure does rise to the occasion, doesn't he?

I'd love for the Ravens to win the Super Bowl.

But I don't think Joe Flacco will be rising to the occasion if Ray Rice is shut down. Remember, during the regular season, they fired their OC for not giving the ball to Ray Rice & trusting Flacco to deliver Ws.

I don't think Flacco will be rising to the occasion if that defense didn't hold the Patriots to 13 points.

Flacco vs Brady... something is wrong, if you're picking Flacco out of that matchup & that's what you're saying if we're talking about Ravens' wins being on Flacco's sholders.

[bOODRO87]

8 TDs and zero INT in this post season does not lie. Did you see the throws he made against Denver and NE? Deep bombs, tight windows, etc. Very impressive. He earned his new contract, undoubtedly.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by Texcore

Seriously dude, nobody cares about the probowl.

And again you skip over the most important facts of all. Why don't you address these......PRODUCTION and BIG WINS. Flacco has quite a few, Shaub none.

This is my last time I'm responding to you, because you are clearly misinterpreting my post. I did NOT state Schaub is better than Flacco. I'm not trying to make that argument. You said that it would be hard to find football people outside of Kubiak that think Schaub is better than Flacco. I simply pointed out that the probowl voting contradicts that statement.

The end.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by dream_team

This is my last time I'm responding to you, because you are clearly misinterpreting my post. I did NOT state Schaub is better than Flacco. I'm not trying to make that argument. You said that it would be hard to find football people outside of Kubiak that think Schaub is better than Flacco. I simply pointed out that the probowl voting contradicts that statement.

The end.

I hear ya.....

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Stats = losers.... Just sayin'!!!

Grown people should NEVER type this

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

That said, it's apples to oranges. Flacco took over an already pretty good team, defensively and otherwise. Schaub took over shyte...

My point is this.... While Flacco doesn't suck as much as he is percieved to, he's nothing special either.

You could argue that til the cows come home- it doesn't cchange the fact that over his first 5 yrs, Flacco has accomplished something that may never be duplicated: Most wins by a QB, and most road playoff wins by a qb---EVER.

Sure he benefitted from a solid run game and defense his first few years; so did Sanchez. So did Alex Smith last year. So did Cutler. Romo. Cassel in '10.

But what Flacco has done over the last 2 years is pretty remarkable- his 12 Tds and 0 INT (with just 1 fumble) this year and flat out beating Luck, Manning and Brady show that Joe has arrived. and that he is better than Schaub.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Texcore

Don't back track your self serving comments. You are qualifying your statement that Shaub is better than Flacco by simply stating he made the pro-bowl because you responded to my analysis that Flacco is better and Schaub is a bus driver type QB.

By the way, pro-bowl voting is largely fan voting, starts MID SEASON and ends in November, and it is well documented that players and coaches don't really care because they have to vote for players on the opposite side of the ball only.

But back to the main point. Flacco tore through these last 3 playoff games to a tune of 853 yards, 8 TDs, 0 INTs, 115 QB rating.....he carried his team, making huge plays down field. Something Schaub can't do.

If pro bowl is the measurement of a QB, then why is Vince Young out of work? Why is Matt Cassel ready to be out of work?

Pro Bowl is a joke...

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

If pro bowl is the measurement of a QB, then why is Vince Young out of work? Why is Matt Cassel ready to be out of work?

Pro Bowl is a joke...

because matt schaub is a pro bowl legend and its the rallying point for every delusional and sad matt schaub supporter.

"but he threw for 4700 yards and is a pro bowl mvp!!!!"

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

because matt schaub is a pro bowl legend and its the rallying point for every delusional and sad matt schaub supporter.

"but he threw for 4700 yards and is a pro bowl mvp!!!!"

Same in KC- "matt Cassel made the Pro Bowl- weehaw"


Where he promptly threw 2 interceptions.....

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

Since Tom Brady will be sitting at home watching Flacco in the Super Bowl, does that mean that Brady's better days are behind him? That he was a better QB at one time, but now he can't "carry his team"

Is Flacco better than Big Ben? If you had to choose one or the other to start a new team, are you telling me you would pick Flacco?

Is Flacco better than Rogers? Same thing, you're going to start your team, have to choose Flacco or Rogers... who you taking?

Flacco getting to the Super Bowl does not prove anything about his ability as a QB. It proves he is on the better team. It proves that his team was able to stop the Patriots from scoring enough points to win the game...... that's it.

Flacco is not better than Romo, not better than Bradford or Stafford, not better than Rogers, Brees, Brady.... he's on a better team.

Flacco may very well be better than Schaub, but being in the Super Bowl is no more proof of that than it is proof that Jacoby is a better receiver than Andre Johnson.

Ray Rice is not better than Arian.

Lol. Foolish Schaub apologists, resorting to making things up because you can't defend Schaub...

I challenge you to find a post where I said Flacco was better than Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers, Brees, Romo, The Mannings, Bradford, Stafford or the like. I also challenge you to quote where I said making it to the super bowl automatically qualifies you as the best in the game at your position(that is so f'n stupid). My guess is that you'll fail at the task I've assigned to you because I never said that.

All I've posted recently is that Flacco is better than Schaub and that is indisputable. Flacco has had an incredible playoffs with incredible numbers and clutch play. Even a casual football fan can recognize that they won their games BECAUSE of him.

But perhaps you are a novice fan and can't see that. If that's the case, I cannot help you with your ignorance.

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by dream_team

This is my last time I'm responding to you, because you are clearly misinterpreting my post. I did NOT state Schaub is better than Flacco. I'm not trying to make that argument. You said that it would be hard to find football people outside of Kubiak that think Schaub is better than Flacco. I simply pointed out that the probowl voting contradicts that statement.

Of course its the end, because you have no argument to defend Schaub. All you are trying to do is bash a QB(Flacco) simply because Schaub made the pro-bow over him as an alternate???? Meanwhile, Flacco tore up the playoffs and has his team playing in the Super Bowl.

Pro bowl is a joke and it doesn't automatically qualify who football guys(coaches, owners, GMs) think are better players. That is absolutely asinine to say. I still fervently maintain that 31 of 32 teams would choose Flacco over Schaub if they had to choose between either. Hell, even Kubiak, Smith and McNair probably would too, so make it 32 out of 32 teams. And the proof is in the production and the winning.

Logical folks know the truth, Schaub-fanboys only ignore it.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Texcore

All I've posted recently is that Flacco is better than Schaub and that is indisputable. Flacco has had an incredible playoffs with incredible numbers and clutch play. Even a casual football fan can recognize that they won their games BECAUSE of him.

I'm not disputing that Flacco is better than Schaub.

I'm disputing Flacco's "play-off record" is poor proof of that. Flacco has a better play off record than a lot of QBs, but he isn't better than all of them.

If you're saying that Flacco is better than Schaub because of his play of record, you're saying that Flacco is better than a lot of QBs who have not had the good fortune to play on a team that consistently fielded one of the best defenses in the NFL & one of the most prolific runners.

Flacco is better than Schaub. But using his play off record as proof is faulty logic.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Texcore

Of course its the end, because you have no argument to defend Schaub. All you are trying to do is bash a QB(Flacco) simply because Schaub made the pro-bow over him as an alternate???? Meanwhile, Flacco tore up the playoffs and has his team playing in the Super Bowl.

Pro bowl is a joke and it doesn't automatically qualify who football guys(coaches, owners, GMs) think are better players. That is absolutely asinine to say. I still fervently maintain that 31 of 32 teams would choose Flacco over Schaub if they had to choose between either. Hell, even Kubiak, Smith and McNair probably would too, so make it 32 out of 32 teams. And the proof is in the production and the winning.

Logical folks know the truth, Schaub-fanboys only ignore it.

Another argument that is over your head. He is not defending Schaub. He has not given his opinion of Schaub at all.

He also does not say that Schaub going to the pro bowl is proof that Schaub is better.

People voted Schaub as one of the better QBs in the AFC. Not just fans, but football players & coaches (football people) as well.

You said no football person other than Kubiak think Schaub is better than Flacco, he replied that more pro bowl voters (players & coaches; ie football people) believe Schaub is the better QB.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Texcore

Lol. Foolish Schaub apologists, resorting to making things up because you can't defend Schaub...

I challenge you to find a post where I said Flacco was better than Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers, Brees, Romo, The Mannings, Bradford, Stafford or the like. I also challenge you to quote where I said making it to the super bowl automatically qualifies you as the best in the game at your position(that is so f'n stupid). My guess is that you'll fail at the task I've assigned to you because I never said that.

All I've posted recently is that Flacco is better than Schaub and that is indisputable. Flacco has had an incredible playoffs with incredible numbers and clutch play. Even a casual football fan can recognize that they won their games BECAUSE of him.

But perhaps you are a novice fan and can't see that. If that's the case, I cannot help you with your ignorance.

Excellent post- I would only disagree with your assessment that Romo, Stafford and Bradford are better. They haven't accomplished what Joe has.