Bad day to be a Browns fan

[Hookem Horns]

Ravens going to another Super Bowl after that franchise just broke hearts while it was in Cleveland for all of those years.

To make matters worse their current franchise is worse than the old one was when it was in Cleveland.

You have to really feel for that fan base.

[toronto]

Originally Posted by Hookem Horns

Ravens going to another Super Bowl after that franchise just broke hearts while it was in Cleveland for all of those years.

To make matters worse their current franchise is worse than the old one was when it was in Cleveland.

You have to really feel for that fan base.

I used to but not anymore - They have had a team for a long enough period, plus Modell is dead.

[Texecutioner]

I don't see how this has anything to do with Cleveland at this point. Cleveland has had all types of years to get going again. Baltimore Ravens is a completely different franchise at this point just like the Oilers and the Titans are. Nothing the Titans do is of any consequence to me as an old Oilers fan, because the Oilers died and the Titans were created. Same with the Ravens. Hell Model isn't even alive anymore either. If the Browns fans want to feel pitty for themselves, then they deserve to be where they are at. Their franchise sucks because of their team's management. The Baltimore Ravens success isn't hindering them a bit.

[Playoffs]

Adding insult to injury...

[Fred]

"Bad day to be a Browns fan" - any day that ends with the letter "y".

[Vinny]

you can add Art Modell among finalists for HOF Class of 2013 to their woes.

[Double Barrel]

Old Oilers fans can relate. I will never like the Titans. NEVER.

Even after Bud kicks the bucket, we have a natural division rival. But the history of that franchise is what it is, and while it means nothing to the younger demographics, those of us that lived it feel how we feel. Emotional? Perhaps, but certainly not without logic.

The greatest Oiler, Earl Campbell, refused to be honored by the franchise in Nashville. That says it all for me.

[Showtime100]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Old Oilers fans can relate. I will never like the Titans. NEVER.

Even after Bud kicks the bucket, we have a natural division rival. But the history of that franchise is what it is, and while it means nothing to the younger demographics, those of us that lived it feel how we feel. Emotional? Perhaps, but certainly not without logic.

The greatest Oiler, Earl Campbell, refused to be honored by the franchise in Nashville. That says it all for me.

Same here from start to finish. And yet another reason Earl is tops in my book.

[Dutchrudder]

As a Browns fan and an Ohio native, I can't really say I hate the Ravens any more. The franchise wasn't the problem with the move, it was the owner Art Modell. He was a greedy SOB, but now that he's dead I couldn't care less what they do. I'm just glad he didn't get to see his team go to another Super Bowl.

I'll be rooting for the 49ers in this SB, but it's not because I hate the Ravens organization, it's because I like the 49ers players a lot more than the Ravens. It's easy for myself to root for great players like Willis, Bowman, Aldon Smith, Justin Smith and company. Their defense is exceptional, much more so than the aging Ravens. Plus I don't like Ray Lewis or Jacoby Jones. Granted the 49ers have Randy Moss, but he's not so bad anymore. It will be funny if Manningham wins back to back Super Bowls on two different teams, I wonder how many players have done that.

[Dread-Head]

Any day that ends with a "Y"?

[klockWork]

Originally Posted by Fred

"Bad day to be a Browns fan" - any day that ends with the letter "y".

Apparently I'm not as smart as you. Please tell me wtf that means?

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by klockWork

Apparently I'm not as smart as you. Please tell me wtf that means?

He's saying that any day ending in "Y" is a bad day to be a Browns fan.

Every day ends in "Y", so basically every day is a bad day to be a Browns fan.

MondaY
TuesdaY
WednesdaY...you get the point

[b0ng]

Meh. If I was a Browns fan today, I would probably be kind of happy since I think their DC (Ray Horton, from AZ) and OC (Norv Turner, from SD) are both pretty good at what they do and Chudzinski is not a bad HC candidate at all.

Now, about that whole drafting a 30 year old QB in the first round. . .

[handswarmer]

As a Ravens fan, I don't feel sorry for Browns fans at all. They didn't have it as bad as Baltimore fans did when the Colts left.

-Art Modell never lied to anyone- he told them straight up what was happening. HHe was going broke.

-City of Cleveland built a Rock n Roll HOF, new Cavaliers auditorium and Jacobs Field. Art lost alot of $$$ when the Indians moved to their new field. The city refused to rehab Municipal stadium.

-Art announced they were leaving well before he did; B0b Irsay stole the Colts out of the city in the middle of the night. after lying in a press conference saying he would never move the team.

-We went without football for 12 years; Cleveland missed 3 years.

-We lost our colors, history and records; Cleveland kept all theirs.

I feel nothig aboout what transpired. I do know Toni Grossi conspires against Art's HOF nomination every year...

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by b0ng

Meh. If I was a Browns fan today, I would probably be kind of happy since I think their DC (Ray Horton, from AZ) and OC (Norv Turner, from SD) are both pretty good at what they do and Chudzinski is not a bad HC candidate at all.

Now, about that whole drafting a 30 year old QB in the first round. . .

Agree on this. Besides that QB though, their GM that they canned had actually gathered some really good talent. I like the staff they have in place though.

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

As a Ravens fan, I don't feel sorry for Browns fans at all. They didn't have it as bad as Baltimore fans did when the Colts left.

-Art Modell never lied to anyone- he told them straight up what was happening. HHe was going broke.

-City of Cleveland built a Rock n Roll HOF, new Cavaliers auditorium and Jacobs Field. Art lost alot of $$$ when the Indians moved to their new field. The city refused to rehab Municipal stadium.

-Art announced they were leaving well before he did; B0b Irsay stole the Colts out of the city in the middle of the night. after lying in a press conference saying he would never move the team.

-We went without football for 12 years; Cleveland missed 3 years.

-We lost our colors, history and records; Cleveland kept all theirs.

I feel nothig aboout what transpired. I do know Toni Grossi conspires against Art's HOF nomination every year...

We know a little something about losing colors, etc. After losing our team I am not sure how I would have felt stealing someone elses team though. For example if the Seahawks would have moved here and become the Texans. Of course the plus side is that you get a ready built team and don't have to wait for years as with an expansion team.

BTW, I just realized both of your pro teams were formerly the Browns. The Orioles were the St Louis Browns.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Hookem Horns

We know a little something about losing colors, etc. After losing our team I am not sure how I would have felt stealing someone elses team though. For example if the Seahawks would have moved here and become the Texans. Of course the plus side is that you get a ready built team and don't have to wait for years as with an expansion team.

BTW, I just realized both of your pro teams were formerly the Browns. The Orioles were the St Louis Browns.

The city of Baltimore didn't steal the Browns. The City was awarded a new franchise after the Browns were deactivated...semantics but believe me, the city and its residents had no idea that the Brownss were coming....until the announcement.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

The city of Baltimore didn't steal the Browns. The City was awarded a new franchise after the Browns were deactivated...semantics but believe me, the city and its residents had no idea that the Brownss were coming....until the announcement.

Not really. The Browns were allowed to relocate and a settlement ensued in which Cleveland kept the history and were guaranteed a new team. The Ravens were not treated as an expansion team. It was a relocation with some negotiations on details. If it was a "new team" you wouldn't have carried a roster over and would have been treated like an expansion team.

[Hervoyel]

Carpet bagging owners suck. That's just an incontrovertible fact. The thing I can't really let go about Baltimore (and to a lesser extent St Louis) is that they had it done to them and lost a team, then turned around and did it to someone else.

Baltimore took the Browns from Cleveland just like St. Louis took the Rams from Los Angeles. Sure the owners chose to make the moves and sure you can quibble about the details but either way those people got screwed and then knowing full well what that felt like they screwed someone else in exactly the same way.

[Hookem Horns]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Carpet bagging owners suck. That's just an incontrovertible fact. The thing I can't really let go about Baltimore (and to a lesser extent St Louis) is that they had it done to them and lost a team, then turned around and did it to someone else.

Baltimore took the Browns from Cleveland just like St. Louis took the Rams from Los Angeles. Sure the owners chose to make the moves and sure you can quibble about the details but either way those people got screwed and then knowing full well what that felt like they screwed someone else in exactly the same way.

Yep, that basically sums up my take on all of that. It's kinda like having your wife leave you for another man, then you turn around yourself and become a homewrecker just to replace her.

Now it's Seattle's turn in the NBA. If you relate franchises to women that franchise has been been "around the block" a few times. That team started out in Rochester, moved to Cincinnati, then moved to Kansas City, then moved to Sacramento, now is moving to Seattle. I might feel a little bit dirty if I were a Sonics fan.