Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Atl Cav

Flacco was very good...Not great. his receivers were great.

Schaub can step up, but the receivers need to do the same. I believe they can.

You are foolish to not give Flacco his due; There weren't 4-5 Megatron's out there catching balls from a JUGGS machine...


Schaub can't step up unless everything is perfect-and his supporting cast is AJ and Arian; thats it....

[handswarmer]

30 of 57 52.6% 613yds 5TDs 0INT 120.0 Rating

[handswarmer]

"No NFL quarterback — not Brady, not Manning — has more than Flacco's 62 victories, including the postseason, since the start of the 2008 season. No NFL quarterback has more than his six postseason wins on the road. And no other quarterback has a postseason victory in each of his first five seasons during the Super Bowl era."

Schaub over Flacco? Nevermore sayeth the Raven

[klockWork]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

"No NFL quarterback — not Brady, not Manning — has more than Flacco's 62 victories, including the postseason, since the start of the 2008 season. No NFL quarterback has more than his six postseason wins on the road. And no other quarterback has a postseason victory in each of his first five seasons during the Super Bowl era."

Schaub over Flacco? Nevermore sayeth the Raven

You will never convince folks here that Flacco is a better QB than Schaub. They clearly values individual stats over playoff wins. And Flacco will be unfairly penalized for playing with great defensive team.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by klockWork

You will never convince folks here that Flacco is a better QB than Schaub. They clearly values individual stats over playoff wins. And Flacco will be unfairly penalized for playing with great defensive team.

This post makes absolutely no sense with the way you tried to misuse facts and also with what you tried to paint people's opinions of Schaub and of Flacco.

First off, how about putting "real facts" into perspective here. How many years has Flacco had a shot in the playoffs as oppose to Schaub?? Flacco came into this league with a top 3 defense to play with year after year. Flacco's defense carried his team for years and the main reason why they didn't see a SB at least twice in the playoffs was because Pittsburgh had Big Ben and the Ravens had Flacco. That was the difference between those two teams and those match ups. Flacco has had a lot more playoff failures then Schaub has when you consider the teams that Flacco played on compared to Schaub. Schaub's only played in one playoff and you're comparing that?? He won a game and then lost to a better team.



Flacco made a great post season run this season. Kudos to him for that. He played pretty well last season in the playoffs as well, but barely fell short. I think most people would easily agree that Flacco has surpassed Schaub this season and especially with his post season run, but to act like Flacco's post season greatness over his entire career has been some huge factor and stats are not at all, is being as disengenious as you possibly can be.


And put a poll up about who thinks Schaub is better then Flacco, and I'll bet you anything you want that the over whelming majority of this site will vote for Flacco. So please stop with the hyperbole.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

This post makes absolutely no sense with the way you tried to misuse facts and also with what you tried to paint people's opinions of Schaub and of Flacco.

First off, how about putting "real facts" into perspective here. How many years has Flacco had a shot in the playoffs as oppose to Schaub?? Flacco came into this league with a top 3 defense to play with year after year. Flacco's defense carried his team for years and the main reason why they didn't see a SB at least twice in the playoffs was because Pittsburgh had Big Ben and the Ravens had Flacco. That was the difference between those two teams and those match ups. Flacco has had a lot more playoff failures then Schaub has when you consider the teams that Flacco played on compared to Schaub. Schaub's only played in one playoff and you're comparing that?? He won a game and then lost to a better team.



Flacco made a great post season run this season. Kudos to him for that. He played pretty well last season in the playoffs as well, but barely fell short. I think most people would easily agree that Flacco has surpassed Schaub this season and especially with his post season run, but to act like Flacco's post season greatness over his entire career has been some huge factor and stats are not at all, is being as disengenious as you possibly can be.


And put a poll up about who thinks Schaub is better then Flacco, and I'll bet you anything you want that the over whelming majority of this site will vote for Flacco. So please stop with the hyperbole.

What do the stats get you?

[DX-TEX]

Originally Posted by klockWork

You will never convince folks here that Flacco is a better QB than Schaub. They clearly values individual stats over playoff wins. And Flacco will be unfairly penalized for playing with great defensive team.

Rightb he didnt have to convince me, Schaub did.

Flacco>>>>>>Matt Kubischaub

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

"No NFL quarterback — not Brady, not Manning — has more than Flacco's 62 victories, including the postseason, since the start of the 2008 season. No NFL quarterback has more than his six postseason wins on the road. And no other quarterback has a postseason victory in each of his first five seasons during the Super Bowl era."

Schaub over Flacco? Nevermore sayeth the Raven

So are you claiming Flacco is better than Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers as well? I don't quite get the point of that stat? Last I checked, football was a team sport.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by dream_team

So are you claiming Flacco is better than Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers as well? I don't quite get the point of that stat? Last I checked, football was a team sport.

res ipsa loquitur

[Thorn]

blah blah blah let's wait and see who wins the super bowl.

hint: it won't be the Texans and Schaub.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by klockWork

You will never convince folks here that Flacco is a better QB than Schaub. They clearly values individual stats over playoff wins. And Flacco will be unfairly penalized for playing with great defensive team.

If you look, I think the majority opinion here is that Flacco is better than Schaub. You're not alone thinking Schaub is part, a big part, of our problem. Start a poll, I bet Flacco would win right now.

[gafftop]

Flacco. Matt just too limited physically in every area. Also I am really beginning to wonder why GK gives little leeway in allowing Ms to read D and change play.

Is it just me or does it seem that MS takes a long time to get rid of the ball and then it goes really slow. Can anyone put Ms vs another QB releasing the ball so that each starts at same time. If so pick a 30 yard pass so we can see comparison. Also how quickly ball arrives to target. Maybe already done on a website.

[Scooter]

this thread is awesome. flacco has been in the league 5 years with middling stats despite a top 5 defense and bigtime run game each year (and two major receivers). he proclaimed himself "elite" and the whole world laughed. he's gotten no less than 2 coordinators fired for trying to give him a reasonable workload. schaub finally gets a defense and beats the ravens by 30 points, and has a better regular season.

the ravens defense holds brady to 13 points and flacco is suddenly a top 5 quarterback. oh and schaub also put up 28 points on the patriots ... only it didnt matter against their 41. schaub also beat the broncos in denver, as well as the colts at home.

i've got as many problems with schaub as any rational fan, but this joe flacco stuff is getting out of hand.

[gafftop]

Originally Posted by Scooter

this thread is awesome. flacco has been in the league 5 years with middling stats despite a top 5 defense and bigtime run game each year (and two major receivers). he proclaimed himself "elite" and the whole world laughed. he's gotten no less than 2 coordinators fired for trying to give him a reasonable workload. schaub finally gets a defense and beats the ravens by 30 points, and has a better regular season.

the ravens defense holds brady to 13 points and flacco is suddenly a top 5 quarterback. oh and schaub also put up 28 points on the patriots ... only it didnt matter against their 41. schaub also beat the broncos in denver, as well as the colts at home.

i've got as many problems with schaub as any rational fan, but this joe flacco stuff is getting out of hand.

I never said Flacco elite I am just choosing Flacco over MS. Pretty easy choice in my book.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Scooter

this thread is awesome. flacco has been in the league 5 years with middling stats despite a top 5 defense and bigtime run game each year (and two major receivers). he proclaimed himself "elite" and the whole world laughed. he's gotten no less than 2 coordinators fired for trying to give him a reasonable workload. schaub finally gets a defense and beats the ravens by 30 points, and has a better regular season.

the ravens defense holds brady to 13 points and flacco is suddenly a top 5 quarterback. oh and schaub also put up 28 points on the patriots ... only it didnt matter against their 41. schaub also beat the broncos in denver, as well as the colts at home.

i've got as many problems with schaub as any rational fan, but this joe flacco stuff is getting out of hand.

Really? You're gonna consider those points "schaubs"? He did absolutely NOTHING until the 4th quarter when we were down by 21 points, thats called garbage time.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by amazing80

really? You're gonna consider those points "schaubs"? He did absolutely nothing until the 4th quarter when we were down by 21 points, thats called garbage time.

41 - 28
13 - 28

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Scooter

41 - 28
13 - 28

I don't think anyone here disagrees with that about the defense, but to say Schaub did anything of relevence in that game is foolish

[Scooter]

Matt Schaub ..... 34/51 ...... 343 ...... 2 ...... 1
Joe Flacco ........ 21/36 ...... 240 ...... 3 ...... 0

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Scooter

Matt Schaub ..... 34/51 ...... 343 ...... 2 ...... 1
Joe Flacco ........ 21/36 ...... 240 ...... 3 ...... 0

Did you watch the game or are you stat scouting? Because anyone who watched the game will tell you Schaub was a joke and did nothing to help our offense.

Now whether you feel its Schaub (like me) or its the pieces around him (like texicutioner) thats another debate.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by amazing80

I don't think anyone here disagrees with that about the defense, but to say Schaub did anything of relevence in that game is foolish

unless he dropped a 50 burger, the mere mention of our offense is foolish.