2008 Trade results in Flacco & D Brown

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Would take D. Brown again..... It took Flacco how many seasons to finally break thru even with that dominant defense he has had for years....come on now lets be real.

Thank you!

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by midway

Just because this was the first time we made it to the playoffs with him at QB doesn't mean it qualifies as his "first shot at the SB." All of those years where we didn't make the playoffs count too.

That's a good point, but at the same time, you have to admit this is his first legit shot at making the SB. Flacco always had the luxury of a dominant defense to help him win games.

[Playoffs]

A lot of if'ing going on in this thread...

"that's water under the bridge"
"that horse is already out of the barn"

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by amazing80

while this seems like a no brainer, if they werent completely incompetant at picking someone else at qb, like not weeden, then Thomas would be the better pick.
IMO

They could quite possibly be that bad at picking an LT though and Matt Ryan might be a vegetable at this point. It's an interesting thought exercise though.

[Dutchrudder]

Originally Posted by b0ng

Should the Browns have taken Matt Ryan or Joe Thomas?

What? Matt Ryan was drafted in 2008. Joe Thomas was drafted in 2007. Both were the 3rd overall pick in their drafts.

Maybe you're thinking of Jake Long and the Dolphins at #1 in 2008.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by dream_team

This is Flacco's 5th chance at making the SB, and he finally gets in. Schaub had one shot, missed, but now people are having this Flacco love affair? I don't get it.

If Flacco can get the Ravens to the SB, then Schaub can do the same with the Texans. We just need the defense to play as well as the Raven's D in the playoffs.

Why do you jump to "love affair"? I merely posted an idea to see what others thought. Rein it in a bit big boy.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Texn4life

We just traded 2 second round picks for Schaub. Why on earth would we draft a QB in the first round after that?

2007 stats were 2241 and 204 yds per game avg not exactly breath taking. IIRC and I think I do many were not too please with the trade that off season.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Playoffs

A lot of if'ing going on in this thread...

"that's water under the bridge"
"that horse is already out of the barn"

However, BB is a draftnik; he just likes to talk scenarios, that's all.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by badboy

2007 stats were 2241 and 204 yds per game avg not exactly breath taking. IIRC and I think I do many were not oo please with the trade that off season.

It was just too bad that Ahman Green didn't work out.
Slaton was supposed to be a change-of-pace back, not a workhorse.

On top of that, Alex Gibbs came a bit late.
And then we didn't run as much outside zone as we've been doing the last few years.

I imagine, they wanted to emphasize to the linemen and the running backs on the one-cut, downhill style first.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by badboy

Why do you jump to "love affair"? I merely posted an idea to see what others thought. Rein it in a bit big boy.

Sorry if it seems like I jumped all over your post... but I'm hearing it from alot of people in here of how great Flacco is and "wish" we had him instead of Schaub.

[Goatcheese]

Originally Posted by badboy

2007 stats were 2241 and 204 yds per game avg not exactly breath taking. IIRC and I think I do many were not oo please with the trade that off season.

Not including the 3 games where he was knocked out with injuries:

8 Games
2,107 yards
263 Yards per game
67% completion percentage
8.2 Yards per attempt
9 TDs
7 Ints

Pretty nice stat line for a first year starter.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by Vance87

Why didn't we take Brady in the first round in 2000?

And don't even use the excuse that we didn't have a team, that's such a cop out.

My first good laugh of the day. Thank you sir.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Thorn

My first good laugh of the day. Thank you sir.

Yeah, that was a really good one!

[badboy]

I think Slaton in the third was an awesome pick. He was thought to be a first rounder by many and I said no way but to get him in third? I was ecstatic. Dump on David Carr all you want (and you will) if Tony Boselli had been healthy, it could have been a whole nother thing. I would make that trade again today knowing the outcome. Barber had the size and pretty good skills.

I hope that another team will want to trade up to our #27 and offer a comparable package.

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by EllisUnit

Would take D. Brown again..... It took Flacco how many seasons to finally break thru even with that dominant defense he has had for years....come on now lets be real.

Break through? Did you just start watching football this year? He's lead his team to the playoffs every single year he has been in the league....it would be nice to have that consistancy. Keep in mind, Baltimore's defenses are not what they use to be. But they have had steady leadership and great coaching.

But in hindsight I'd take D.Brown again, especially since you just traded 2 second rounders for a QB. Of course if we could do it all over again I'd keep the 2 second rounders and draft Flacco.

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by dream_team

This is Flacco's 5th chance at making the SB, and he finally gets in. Schaub had one shot, missed, but now people are having this Flacco love affair? I don't get it.

If Flacco can get the Ravens to the SB, then Schaub can do the same with the Texans. We just need the defense to play as well as the Raven's D in the playoffs.

Your logic is flawed on so many levels, one just has to laugh....First of all, how is showing some respect to Flacco termed a "love affair"? Grow up. Schaub and Flacco are two different QBs with different skill sets. Flacco has taken his team to the playoffs 5 times in a row. How many chances did Schaub have to get this team in the playoffs?

So Schaub finally gets in, ONCE with a team where he isn't even in the top 5 of most important Texans(Watt, Brown, Foster, Andre, Cush). A team that went just as far with our back up QB from last year. Schaub didn't "take a shot" and miss. He never bothered to even take a shot. Its clear to me that Schaub is a bus driver QB, not a QB that can carry his team the way Flacco has done before and did yesterday.

The Ravens are just a better coached team, with better collective talent. To get where we want to go, change is necessary, otherwise we will be stuck in contender mediocrity and the window will close. There is nothing wrong with showing respect to an opponent.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Texcore

Your logic is flawed on so many levels, one just has to laugh....First of all, how is showing some respect to Flacco termed a "love affair"? Grow up. Schaub and Flacco are two different QBs with different skill sets. Flacco has taken his team to the playoffs 5 times in a row. How many chances did Schaub have to get this team in the playoffs?

So Schaub finally gets in, ONCE with a team where he isn't even in the top 5 of most important Texans(Watt, Brown, Foster, Andre, Cush). A team that went just as far with our back up QB from last year. Schaub didn't "take a shot" and miss. He never bothered to even take a shot. Its clear to me that Schaub is a bus driver QB, not a QB that can carry his team the way Flacco has done before and did yesterday.

The Ravens are just a better coached team, with better collective talent. To get where we want to go, change is necessary, otherwise we will be stuck in contender mediocrity and the window will close. There is nothing wrong with showing respect to an opponent.

It's a good thing to give respect to an opponent.
I give the Ravens a lot of credit.

They had a top 3 defense ever since Flacco was on board.
This year, they took some hits to rest some of their defensive players for the play-offs.

They have had a good running game, too - even before they signed Leach.
Don't just look at the stats.
They've been able to keep their offensive unit very healthy as compared to the Texans.

And this is one of the key throughout the last several years.
Their older players have been able to stay healthy and/or to keep up their level of play while the younger ones develop.

The same cannot be said about the Texans.
They have had a bunch of players missing time or playing more hurt.

It's not an excuse, it's a fact.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by Texcore

Your logic is flawed on so many levels, one just has to laugh....First of all, how is showing some respect to Flacco termed a "love affair"? Grow up. Schaub and Flacco are two different QBs with different skill sets. Flacco has taken his team to the playoffs 5 times in a row. How many chances did Schaub have to get this team in the playoffs?

So Schaub finally gets in, ONCE with a team where he isn't even in the top 5 of most important Texans(Watt, Brown, Foster, Andre, Cush). A team that went just as far with our back up QB from last year. Schaub didn't "take a shot" and miss. He never bothered to even take a shot. Its clear to me that Schaub is a bus driver QB, not a QB that can carry his team the way Flacco has done before and did yesterday.

The Ravens are just a better coached team, with better collective talent. To get where we want to go, change is necessary, otherwise we will be stuck in contender mediocrity and the window will close. There is nothing wrong with showing respect to an opponent.

Sorry, maybe the term "love affair" was poorly chosen.

The main point I'm trying to convey is football is a team game, but it seems like many people have forgotten that. Flacco didn't get the Ravens into the SB (or 5 straight playoffs), just like Schaub didn't lose to the Patriots. Wins and losses go far beyond just the QB.

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by dream_team

Sorry, maybe the term "love affair" was poorly chosen.

The main point I'm trying to convey is football is a team game, but it seems like many people have forgotten that. Flacco didn't get the Ravens into the SB (or 5 straight playoffs), just like Schaub didn't lose to the Patriots. Wins and losses go far beyond just the QB.

It is a team game, I'm the first to always say that. But some teams just have better parts. Me and others are just giving Flacco due respect.

[htownfan32]

Originally Posted by TheIronDuke

Well if we're going to crazy world of dreams land, I'd rather us have drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of Travis Johnson in 2005.

Or Roddy White or Heath Miller or Logan Mankins... all three were 1st rounders after Johnson.

But seriously, the draft what if game is a very sad one to play. Everyone misses at some point. Some are unlucky and other teams are habitual missers.