After watching the games today...

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Tailgate

The Ravens did not start clicking on O like they needed until Talib went out. The Ravens O-line was already dominating, then you take away the CB that started the resurgence of the Pats D in 2012... and you saw Baltimores passing game start to take over. We did not have either luxury.

And 41 points vs 13 points is really all one needs to bring up. We were stuck with James and Ruud as our starting LBs... Lulz.

Sorry but Talib is not all that . The Ravens started using Boldin , Pitta , and Leach and toasted the Pats . The Pats guarded deep and tried to take Rice away by leaving the flanks open . Guess what , the Ravens took their money .

[Mr. Texan]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Gary needs to go or open up the offense and let Schaub have at it. Then you really find out where Schaub is and where the offense is. I think we too often look bottled up and keep pushing the run no matter what. When we go hurry up/2 min drill where it seems there is less thinking and more doing and free flowing sometimes it works. If this change bombs then move on.


Wade needs to step it up and learn to adjust intragame

i hope gary was watching the game and saw how poor the ravens offense was before they just ditched running the ball and spread the patriots out and had flacco primary out of the shotgun.

it's a dimension to schaub and the offense that we have seen work before that we don't try to exploit more often when the running game is clearly not at it's best.

a 3-4 yard pass is better than a 0 or negative yard gain from foster or a 0 or negative yard screen pass imo.

[Norg]

last night i was so maddddd Seeing the ravens and pats play why cant that be us why cant it be the texans on top ... why do us sports fans in houston always mannn IDK its just so unfair we can never get nothing !!!!!!!!!!

[Tailgate]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

Sorry but Talib is not all that . The Ravens started using Boldin , Pitta , and Leach and toasted the Pats . The Pats guarded deep and tried to take Rice away by leaving the flanks open . Guess what , the Ravens took their money .

Didnt say Talib was all that, but when he presses off the line he is tough to beat. And its not a coincidence that after he went down Bolden went off imo. And Flacco already had all the time in the world. This little shift in matchups definitely helped spur the outcome.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

Sorry but Talib is not all that . The Ravens started using Boldin , Pitta , and Leach and toasted the Pats . The Pats guarded deep and tried to take Rice away by leaving the flanks open . Guess what , the Ravens took their money .

Earl, Talib may not be all that, but he's the best the Pats had (just ask any of their fans).

He was effective when be was in the game and he was effective on AJ, too.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Norg

last night i was so maddddd Seeing the ravens and pats play why cant that be us why cant it be the texans on top ... why do us sports fans in houston always mannn IDK its just so unfair we can never get nothing !!!!!!!!!!

Epic meltdown.....only thing missing is the cry of anguish and rending of garments.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Daravenator

I think it really boils down to this: there tends to be one or two teams that your team plays well against every time that others struggle to beat. One team the Ravens always play tough, in victory or defeat, is the New England Patriots.

The Ravens have been one or two in their division more frequently than the Texans.... that puts them against the Pats more often. We've been trying to beat a particular team for the past six years that doesn't exist anymore.

We'll be tested now against the Ravens, Pats, & Broncos for the forseable future & we'll see how our team responds.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by CeeQue

It all boils down to leadership and preparation... and both of those start and end with our coaches.

I have not seen a team play New England as well as Baltimore did last night... on both sides of the ball. The offense was focused and attacked New England defense... and Baltimore's defense PUNISHED New England's offense and was not caught off-guard once! It was a thing of beauty...

And mind you, Baltimore did this with a bunch of former Texans... Vonta Leach, Bernardo Pollard, and Jacoby 'Blockhead' Jones. Their coaching staff turned our scrubs into AFC Champs.

Our team has put on the mental fortitude of our timid coaches in big games.... Think about it, Kubes can't even watch an end of game field goal so how in the world is he and Wade 'Milk Toast' Phillips going to get someone prepared to play aggressive, championship-style football when it counts.

Good points, but they've also got on the field leaders like Lewis & Reed. Of course those guys aren't afraid of the Patriots, they've got their own star power, especially when you include guys like Ngata, Suggs, & Webb.

We've got Antonio Smiff.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Two things that John Harbaugh did that pushed this team to the wins:

-fired Cam Caeron with three games left in the season andessentially turned over the keys to offensive car to Joe Flacco and let him loose....

& he didn't care about homefield advantage. He did what he needed to, to get his team playing Championship type football. I know noone wants to hear about it, but this whining & crying about losing HFA Throughout the play-offs was as big a distraction as the letterman jackets.

Crap the team had to deal with that wasn't important.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Gary needs to go or open up the offense and let Schaub have at it.

I was thinking the same thing, then went back & watched the game, we were in three WR sets a lot & we flexed out TEs out quite a bit as well. He had 4 options or more on just about every play.

What I think Kubiak failed to recognize is that we were able to run when we flexed the TEs out. Anytime they were near the LOS, they had big bodies at the line & clogged up the lanes. Wilfork was not so much a force this time, as Ninkovich, who beat just about anyone he was lined up against, including muscling Brown into the backfield more times than not.

I wish I had recorded the Ravens game, I'd like to see how many times they ran away from Ninkovich as they got a lot more movement on their stretches than we did.

[TexanBacker93]

Originally Posted by PockyAF

How many Balt fans would say that the last couple of years, dumb dumb?

How many playoffs out did it take before they got a trip to the superbowl, dumb dumb?

35 yo.. smdh

I'm sure all of them would have. First trip to the Super Bowl under them, but they've been to the AFC Championship 3 out of 4 years and you could say outplayed the Patriots last year as well.

I doubt anyone in Baltimore in the last 5 years has looked at Houston wishing they had Kubiak and Schaub.

I can think of only a few cities (Buffalo, Arizona, Jacksonville) that probably would take those 2 over what they have now.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Norg

last night i was so maddddd Seeing the ravens and pats play why cant that be us why cant it be the texans on top ... why do us sports fans in houston always mannn IDK its just so unfair we can never get nothing !!!!!!!!!!

If you take away our poor defensive performance, there really wasn't much difference between the Ravens offensive performance & ours.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Earl, Talib may not be all that, but he's the best the Pats had (just ask any of their fans).

He was effective when be was in the game and he was effective on AJ, too.

He was effective against Aj because Schaub doesn't understand ball placement or getting the ball out on time.


Still Andre had 8 catches for 95 yards. Not really what I'd call effective on Talib's part.

[TexanBacker93]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Good points, but they've also got on the field leaders like Lewis & Reed. Of course those guys aren't afraid of the Patriots, they've got their own star power, especially when you include guys like Ngata, Suggs, & Webb.

We've got Antonio Smiff.

I think this is an area where we needed Cushing back. I know, I know , but he wouldn't cower in the face of the Patriots star power. He'd also smack them around a little. You hit Brady and his receivers and they aren't the same.

[TexanBacker93]

Originally Posted by Mr. Texan

the texans are just a bunch of bullies

they're a team that beats up on lesser teams but doesn't know what to do when they get punched in the mouth by a bigger bully.

at first i almost entertained the thought it was all schaub but it's really everyone. the offense. the defense. the coaching staff. everybody.

The players follow their leader. It's the mentality of the Head Coach so it cascades down.

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by PockyAF

How many Balt fans would say that the last couple of years, dumb dumb?

How many playoffs out did it take before they got a trip to the superbowl, dumb dumb?

35 yo.. smdh

Every Baltimore fan would say that. What the hell are you talking about? In what universe does anyone think Shaub is better than Flacco? Or Kubiak better that Harbaugh?

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I was thinking the same thing, then went back & watched the game, we were in three WR sets a lot & we flexed out TEs out quite a bit as well. He had 4 options or more on just about every play.

What I think Kubiak failed to recognize is that we were able to run when we flexed the TEs out. Anytime they were near the LOS, they had big bodies at the line & clogged up the lanes. Wilfork was not so much a force this time, as Ninkovich, who beat just about anyone he was lined up against, including muscling Brown into the backfield more times than not.

I wish I had recorded the Ravens game, I'd like to see how many times they ran away from Ninkovich as they got a lot more movement on their stretches than we did.

They did a fairly good job on Ninkovich and Wilfork.
With Alib out, the Pats played a lot of 2-deep (and too deep.)
That helped, too.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

He was effective against Aj because Schaub doesn't understand ball placement or getting the ball out on time.


Still Andre had 8 catches for 95 yards. Not really what I'd call effective on Talib's part.

Yep ... he didn't shutdown AJ , he kept him out of the endzone . The problem is , I can do that .

The difference in the Raven game and our game is the Ravens won the second half 21-0 to overcome a 13-7 deficit .

The Texans lost the first half 17-13 , made adjustments and lost the second half 24-15 . They lost the third quarter 14-0 which pretty much salted that baby away .

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

He was effective against Aj because Schaub doesn't understand ball placement or getting the ball out on time.


Still Andre had 8 catches for 95 yards. Not really what I'd call effective on Talib's part.

By my count, he gave up 70 of those yards (including a 16-yd catch near the end of the game.). What you should see is the other times when Schaub can't go to AJ because Talib had tight coverage or when he defended the pass.
Or when he helped stopped AJ from scoring the TD near the end zone.
I think a sack and an INT were also the results of his coverage.

In the first game, he limited AJ to 2 catches for 17.
The INT Schaub threw to Walter was also the result of good coverage by Alib on an island.

He didn't bite on a couple of double moves by AJ, forcing Schaub to go elsewhere .

Yes, I do believe that Alib was quite effective on AJ .

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by PockyAF

How many Balt fans would say that the last couple of years, dumb dumb?

Every single one of us

Originally Posted by PockyAF

How many playoffs out did it take before they got a trip to the superbowl, dumb dumb?

It took the 5th year of existence; first playoff trip

Originally Posted by PockyAF

35 yo.. smdh

35? What, years?