Texans Won't Rule Out Drafting QB

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

That's what the Ravens did with Dilfer, and he may be the only QB ever in the history of the NFL that succeeded that we can compare Matt to. So yeah, lets build a defense for next year that wont give up over ten points a game and then maybe, just maybe we would be able to overcome Matt's poor play.

Matt doesn't "normally" play poor, I don't understand why all of a sudden, he has "never" been able to play at this level. He's had some bad games...

Schaub is not a game manager, like Difer. To me, he's more like Warner without the arm.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Schaub is not a game manager, like Difer. To me, he's more like Warner without the arm.

He's also like Kaepernick. Without the speed and agility.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Lucky

He's also like Kaepernick. Without the speed and agility.

Good point, all is not lost.

Oh.. unless you're saying Warner was nothing but an arm. Like Carr.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Good point, all is not lost.

Oh.. unless you're saying Warner was nothing but an arm. Like Carr.

Schaub is like Carr. Without the hair.

He's like Michael Vick. Without the dogs.

Like Dan Marino. Without the Isotoner commercials.

Someone find me a meme generator.

[silvrhand]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Someone find me a meme generator.

[silvrhand]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Schaub is like Carr. Without the hair.

He's like Michael Vick. Without the dogs.

Like Dan Marino. Without the Isotoner commercials.

Someone find me a meme generator.

Ask for a memegenerator and you shall have it!

[Premier]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Schaub is not a game manager, like Difer. To me, he's more like Warner without the arm.

the only comparison between schaub and warner is that schaub should be sacking groceries somewhere.. thats where it ends..

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Premier

the only comparison between schaub and warner is that schaub should be sacking groceries somewhere.. thats where it ends..

Really? I understand the hate & emotions stemming from his recent performance, but over his career, Schaub has played at a high level & we've won a bunch of games because of him.

If I had to choose a QB to run this system, Schaub would not be my first choice either. However, he is the one that Kubiak chose & he's been successful so far.

Unless his injury is affecting his play, there's no reason to believe he can't get back to that level.

We need to stop blaming Schaub for the four losses of 2012. In each of the losses the running game didn't show up & the defense gave up a lot of yards and a lot of points. I know we think Kubiak is an id1ot, but he's right. They were all team losses & there was a lot of room for improvement across the whole team.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

We need to stop blaming Schaub for the four losses of 2012. In each of the losses the running game didn't show up & the defense gave up a lot of yards and a lot of points.

In the Vikings game, Schaub led the offense to 6 points. Two field goals. Not winning any game with that type of performance. And the defense allowed 345 yards and 23 points. Not "a lot" considering the offense could not sustain a drive.

In the game at Indy, "special" teams allowed one touchdown and a Schaub interception setup another. The Colts offense registered 265 yards of total offense. The defense has played better, but it was the offense's inability to protect the football and score TDs rather than FGs that led to that loss.

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Unless his injury is affecting his play, there's no reason to believe he can't get back to that level.

If not injury, then what was affecting Schaub's play late in the season? Are the Texans going to waste next season trying to determine whether Schaub has a chronic foot condition that will only worsen? I realize that his contract forces Schaub on the roster. But there needs to be some contingency plan, for 2013 and beyond. The "beyond" is why the Texans should look very hard at this QB cllass.

[Goldensilence]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

lmao @ "quarterbacks are escorted down the field in their own personal Ref protected bubbles"!!!

Classic Vinnyism, man!

We see this "running QB" trend pop up in the NFL every 10 years or so, like it's something new. I remember when Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper were predicted to be the "new breed" and I read many articles that unequivocally stated that the age of the pocket passer was quickly coming to an end.

Then Brady and Manning had HoF careers that basically told all the "experts" to STFU.

Now we are seeing the hype cycle renew itself with these young guys.

The rules in the NFL are certainly being tilted to favor offenses these days, and teams that will consistently find success will find ways to exploit these rules to their advantage.

However, I think these 'new' proto-type QBs will still have to evolve into capable passers simply because of the oft-proved tendency that age slows everyone down to some extent. Either through injury or natural decline, these cats will have to win early in their careers as "running QBs" because the NFL has a way of weeding out QBs who cannot consistently read defenses and make plays from the pocket at some point in their careers.

The NFL figures gimmicks out. The run & shoot never lasted, the wildcat is now considered trick, and with running QBs, the NFL figured out how to isolate them and forced them to make plays with their arms.

I think these younger QBs have some tools not available to previous running QBs. They have grown up learning advanced systems and techniques much earlier in life than previous generations, so I think their ceiling could be higher in terms of potential. But they will have to still learn how to read defenses and make the passes for a time when their legs eventually wear out and cannot be their primary weapon.

This. I've heard the claims too that insert X qb is going to change the way the QB position is played. Haven't seen it full-time yet.

I think that's a big Reason this year Cam Newton had early problems. Teams were better prepared for the running element of his game.

I said it early on in the draft RG3 is going to have a spectacular rookie campaign, but the real test is going to be seen next year and if his body can handle the beating that it took this year. He's also going to have to bounce back from major knee surgery to boot now.

To me, Aaron Rodgers is pretty much what you want in a prototypical QB right now. Guy has a quick release, tall enough to see over the line and while his running game doesn't give defenses Cam or RG3 nightmares; he can tuck the ball then run for a first down and throws very accurately on the move.

I don't think we NEED a mobile QB on the level of RG3 or CAm, but closer to the mold of Rodgers. Just a guy who can avoid pressure in the pocket, can throw accurately on the move, and I'd really like a stronger arm to get the ball into tighter windows.

Ugh on the Manziel love. Congrats on the first season, now go repeat it with the huge bullseye that the Heisman gave him. I think you're going to see a lot more QB spying on him next year by LBers and teams are going to dare him to throw more often as opposed to let him run free like he was able to this year.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Goldensilence

I don't think we NEED a mobile QB on the level of RG3 or CAm, but closer to the mold of Rodgers. Just a guy who can avoid pressure in the pocket, can throw accurately on the move, and I'd really like a stronger arm to get the ball into tighter windows.

A QB that can make some "off schedule" plays. Schaub is the least mobile QB in the NFL. He can't get out of his own way. I am trying to remember when I saw a QB as immobile as Schaub. Kerry Collins? Chris Chandler? Dan Marino after he tore his Achilles tendon? Schaub was never athletic for the position. But he wasn't the statue he became in the last part of 2012. Schaub's lack of agility combined with the inexperience on the O-line right side was a bad combination.

[Goldensilence]

Originally Posted by Lucky

A QB that can make some "off schedule" plays. Schaub is the least mobile QB in the NFL. He can't get out of his own way. I am trying to remember when I saw a QB as immobile as Schaub. Kerry Collins? Chris Chandler? Dan Marino after he tore his Achilles tendon? Schaub was never athletic for the position. But he wasn't the statue he became in the last part of 2012. Schaub's lack of agility combined with the inexperience on the O-line right side was a bad combination.

Drew Bledsoe? Specially in his last Dallas days.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Goldensilence

Drew Bledsoe? Specially in his last Dallas days.

That's a good one. Bledsoe and Schaub are a pretty good comparison, though Drew had the bigger arm.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Lucky

In the Vikings game, Schaub led the offense to 6 points. Two field goals. Not winning any game with that type of performance. And the defense allowed 345 yards and 23 points. Not "a lot" considering the offense could not sustain a drive.

Foster carried the ball 10 times for 15 yards. Tate had 4 carries for 17 yards. We're not wining with that kind of run game. We're not staying on the field with that kind of running. Our leading receiver had 7 catches for 97 yards. Our second leading receiver had 3 catches for 27.

Originally Posted by Lucky

In the game at Indy, "special" teams allowed one touchdown and a Schaub interception setup another. The Colts offense registered 265 yards of total offense. The defense has played better, but it was the offense's inability to protect the football and score TDs rather than FGs that led to that loss.

Schaub's 2 INTs had a bigger role in that loss no doubt. But that game was also a big mismanagement problem as well.

Originally Posted by Lucky

If not injury, then what was affecting Schaub's play late in the season? Are the Texans going to waste next season trying to determine whether Schaub has a chronic foot condition that will only worsen? I realize that his contract forces Schaub on the roster. But there needs to be some contingency plan, for 2013 and beyond. The "beyond" is why the Texans should look very hard at this QB cllass.

I think the Texans should already know if his foot is a problem or not. If it is, they should have taken steps this season towards replacing him. I also do not see his contract as a hindrance anymore than Alex Smith's contract or Matt Flynn's. If they don't think we can win (Minny at home, Indy on the road) then he shouldn't be on the roster.

But Schaub played "relatively" well @ Indy & vs the Bengals, 66% & 75% completions. The Red Zone issues again are more than just QB issues.

[tru80texan]

Originally Posted by Goldensilence

Drew Bledsoe? Specially in his last Dallas days.

The same Drew Bledsoe in Dallas that was eventually replaced by the more mobile Romo. I guess we got hope it could eventually happen here as well.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Lucky

A QB that can make some "off schedule" plays. Schaub is the least mobile QB in the NFL. He can't get out of his own way. I am trying to remember when I saw a QB as immobile as Schaub. Kerry Collins? Chris Chandler? Dan Marino after he tore his Achilles tendon? Schaub was never athletic for the position. But he wasn't the statue he became in the last part of 2012. Schaub's lack of agility combined with the inexperience on the O-line right side was a bad combination.

I do not disagree. I'm not sold that Shaub is less mobile than in previous seasons. I am not sold that his ability to make plays off-shedule has been diminished. I never thought he was any good in those departments to begin with.

But I believed we could win a Super Bowl with him before 2012 & I haven't seen anything to make me feel different. I do believe I may be understating his injury, I'll try to go back & look for evidence over the next few weeks, but watching the games, & I've watched several of them several times, I don't remember thinking he had an issue. Really, no one has until recently & the "idea" is spreading like a wild fire, with no evidence.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

But I believed we could win a Super Bowl with him before 2012 & I haven't seen anything to make me feel different. I do believe I may be understating his injury, I'll try to go back & look for evidence over the next few weeks, but watching the games, & I've watched several of them several times, I don't remember thinking he had an issue. Really, no one has until recently & the "idea" is spreading like a wild fire, with no evidence.

I think Schaub's play over the last 6 games or so is damning evidence. You might want to look at these yet again, if you have a strong stomach. There's no way the Texans are winning a Super Bowl with Schaub performing like this.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I also do not see his contract as a hindrance anymore than Alex Smith's contract or Matt Flynn's.

Well, you should do a little research on these contracts. Because if you think the Smith and Flynn contracts are similar to Schaub's, you are poorly informed.

[tru80texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I do not disagree. I'm not sold that Shaub is less mobile than in previous seasons. I am not sold that his ability to make plays off-shedule has been diminished. I never thought he was any good in those departments to begin with.

But I believed we could win a Super Bowl with him before 2012 & I haven't seen anything to make me feel different. I do believe I may be understating his injury, I'll try to go back & look for evidence over the next few weeks, but watching the games, & I've watched several of them several times, I don't remember thinking he had an issue. Really, no one has until recently & the "idea" is spreading like a wild fire, with no evidence.

I simply do not believe there is an injury to be found. The owner in his recent interview had a perfect opportunity to make an excuse for Schaub's poor play to diffuse the criticism & he did not. So add the owner to the list of teammates, coaches, & Schaub himself who not claiming he is suffering from any sort of injury. If you alone find an injury to schaub then you could possibly find a golden egg or the fountain of youth as well. The injury thoery is only spreading like wild fire amongst the fans because I gave yet to see mentioned by any media source. Most media sources & fans, from what I have encountered, seem to be chalking it up to 1 issue...bad QB play. Plain & simple. Let's just hope he gets it turned around next season is all I can really say.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by tru80texan

If you alone find an injury to schaub then you could possibly find a golden egg or the fountain of youth as well. The injury thoery is only spreading like wild fire amongst the fans because I gave yet to see mentioned by any media source.

So you believe NFL organizations are completely forthcoming with injuries? Maybe you should be the one looking for myths and monsters?