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You have to be out of high school three years to enter NFL draft.

Will this be his third year?
He graduated in 2011 from highschool.

2011 to 2014 draft is three years.
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Wow you guys are already lining johnny football up for the HOF eh? Oh boy..
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I don't consider these two game managers.

McMahon was a fiery player and Williams straight lit it up in that SuperBowl.
... Williams had one good game, and they had a heck of a running back that year too.. McMahon rode the bears defense, and Waltor Payton who rushed for over 1500 yards, and their fullback was almost 500 as well.

"the Bears primary deep threat was wide receiver Willie Gault, who caught 33 passes for 704 yards, an average of 21.3 yards per catch, and returned 22 kickoffs for 557 yards and a touchdown. Tight end Emery Moorehead was another key contributor, catching 35 passes for 481 yards. Wide receiver Dennis McKinnon was another passing weapon, recording 31 receptions, 555 yards, and 7 touchdowns. On special teams, Kevin Butler set a rookie scoring record with 144 points, making 31 of 37 field goals (83%) and 51 of 51 extra points."

I don't consider that to be an amazing passing attack, that's the gift of having one of the best ever playing running back, and a damn good fullback in the mix.
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Let's be honest, of all the Superbowls this is kind of how I see it. More great QB's have won the game more than average, over a 45 year span. 8 QB's that I would consider a "game manager" has ever won the superbowl, and a couple are suspect as a game manager, as I think that has to come off when you win more than one superbowl.

Phill Simms/Bob Griese

In short you have to have a "GREAT" qb to have the best chance at winning the superbowl IMHO. I feel the facts below only reinforce the fact we don't have a superbowl QB that gives us the best chance to win the big game.

Super Bowl I - Bart Starr, Green Bay
Super Bowl II - Bart Starr, Green Bay
Super Bowl III - Joe Namath, New York Jets
Super Bowl IV - Len Dawson, Kansas City
Super Bowl V - Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts*
Super Bowl VI - Roger Staubach, Dallas
Super Bowl VII - Bob Griese, Miami
Super Bowl VIII - Bob Griese, Miami

Super Bowl IX - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl X - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XI - Ken Stabler, Oakland
Super Bowl XII - Roger Staubach, Dallas
Super Bowl XIII - Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XIV - Terry Bradshaw Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XV - Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Super Bowl XVI - Joe Montana, San Franciscaw, Pito
Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann, Washington
Super Bowl XVIII - Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders
Super Bowl XIX - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon, Chicago
Super Bowl XXI - Phil Simms, New York Giants
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams, Washington

Super Bowl XXIII - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XXIV - Joe Montana, San Francisco
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler and Phil Simms, New York Giants**
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien, Washington
Super Bowl XXVII - Troy Aikman, Dallas
Super Bowl XXVIII - Troy Aikman, Dallas
Super Bowl XXIX - Steve Young, San Francisco
Super Bowl XXX - Troy Aikman, Dallas
Super Bowl XXXI - Bret Favre, Green Bay
Super Bowl XXXII - John Elway, Denver
Super Bowl XXXIII - John Elway, Denver
Super Bowl XXXIV - Kurt Warner, St. Louis
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens
Super Bowl XXXVI - Tom Brady, New England
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay
Super Bowl XXXVIII - Tom Brady, New England
Super Bowl XXXIX - Tom Brady, New England
Super Bowl XL - Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XLI - Peyton Manning, Indianapolis
Super Bowl XLII -Eli Manning, New York Giants
Super Bowl XLIII -Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XLIV -Drew Brees, New Orleans
Super Bowl XLV -Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay
Super Bowl XLVI -Eli Manning, New York Giants
Here's a list of the Super Bowl winning QBs drafted in the 1st rd . If I'm not mistaken , 6 or 7 of them were the 1st player taken .

Joe Namath, New York Jets
Earl Morrall Colts
Bob Griese, Miami
Bob Griese, Miami
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Jim McMahon, Chicago
Phil Simms, New York Giants
Steve Young, San Francisco
Doug Williams, Washington
Troy Aikman, Dallas
Troy Aikman, Dallas
Troy Aikman, Dallas
John Elway, Denver
John Elway, Denver
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis
Eli Manning, New York Giants
Eli Manning, New York Giants
Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay
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Here's a list of the Super Bowl winning QBs drafted in the 1st rd .

Joe Namath, New York Jets
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh
Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Jim Plunkett, Oakland
Jim McMahon, Chicago
Phil Simms, New York Giants
Steve Young, San Francisco
Doug Williams, Washington
Troy Aikman, Dallas
Troy Aikman, Dallas
Troy Aikman, Dallas
John Elway, Denver
John Elway, Denver
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis
Eli Manning, New York Giants
Eli Manning, New York Giants
Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay
almost 50% of the superbowls have been won by a 1st round pick...
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almost 50% of the superbowls have been won by a 1st round pick...
Starr and Unitas were late round picks but in a different time .

Tom Brady and Kurt Warner are the exceptions .

Favre and Brees were 2nd round picks .

Montana and Stabler were 3rds ( I think thats right with Stabler )

Theisman , Rypien , and Williams were a procuct of the Redskins system .

Staubach would have been a 1st if he didn't have his Navy commitment .

Not sure about Griese and Morrall but found out they were both 1st rd picks .
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LZ has a good write up on his blog. 4QBs the Texans should keep an eye on:

http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootbal...t-senior-bowl/

I kind of like the potential EJ Manuel would bring to our style of offense.

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E.J. Manuel, Florida State
Height: 6’4 ****Weight: 240
Pass Yds: 3,392 **Pct: 68.4% **TDs: 23 **INTs: 10

Pros

Shows very sound passing mechanics for the most part
When he pulls the ball down, has size and speed to run effectively
Has the ability to adapt to offense that can utilize his running ability

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Erratic decision-maker
Makes too many mistakes when pocket starts breaking down
Hasn’t played with consistency against better defenses

Overall

When it comes to tools and potential, it will be hard to find very many quarterbacks better than Manuel. *However, for as high as his ceiling might be, his floor is also relatively low. *Manuel ran some zone-read and straight lead option plays which may appeal to teams looking to incorporate what 49’ers are doing. Showed growth in accuracy and overall play from 2011 to 2012. *Didn’t have the success you would like to see against the better defenses. *Looks like a good fit for a zone team using play-action passing game with roll-outs.

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almost 50% of the superbowls have been won by a 1st round pick...
Almost all (if not all) were won by the typical pocket passer types. A few were mobile like Young, Elway and Staubach but none of these guys were like RGIII or Russell Wilson.

That said I think that will change in the near future as the game keeps evolving.

Doug Williams (my original favorite QB .. had his jersey when I was a kid) is still the only black QB to win the SB. That's gotta change soon too.
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Almost all (if not all) were won by the typical pocket passer types. A few were mobile like Young, Elway and Staubach but none of these guys were like RGIII or Russell Wilson.

That said I think that will change in the near future as the game keeps evolving.

Doug Williams (my original favorite QB .. had his jersey when I was a kid) is still the only black QB to win the SB. That's gotta change soon too.
Doug Williams was always and is now still underrated. People can say what they want about him but the Bucs didn't win till he got there and he was a very important part of that Redskins SB.

Now that quarterbacks are escorted down the field in their own personal Ref protected bubbles, teams are really starting to exploit the protections. The defenses around the league have been fined gargantuan sums of money for intimidating wr's and qb's for the last couple of years so I think the new era of arena league scoring is off and running.

I don't think teams "need" a running quarterback, but I think the old template isn't the only way to go anymore even though I think that Brady is going to win another one this year. Classic drop back guy isn't dead, but I think more and more quality offensive teams will start to look like the Kapernick 9ers, the RG3 Skins and Wilson Seahawks as the offensive weapons are all bubble wrapped and defenders intimidated with massive fines in this current Goodell era.
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LZ has a good write up on his blog. 4QBs the Texans should keep an eye on:

http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootbal...t-senior-bowl/

I kind of like the potential EJ Manuel would bring to our style of offense.


This is what he days about dysert:

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Dysert has decent size, a decent arm and decent productivity, but there is something about the sum being greater than the part. Dysert shows outstanding pocket poise and ability to throw with accuracy from tough angles and off-balance. Plays for a poor team and could show substantial growth with better talent around him. Has played under center and throws ball well while rolling right. Has to make tough throws due to pressure so needs to work on setting feet more often. He doesn’t let previous sacks cause him to lose focus in pocket. Looks like a solid value pick with starting potential.





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True, I've heard that too, but we're not looking to draft a QB in the first round -- at least, not that I know of. Hopefully, we try to find a diamond in the rough...someone who is considered a later pick due to his lack of height, school he went to, etc.
yeah like Case Keenum
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The 2002 Bucs had the number one scoring defense.
The 2000 Ravens had the number one scoring defense.
The 1991 Redskins had the number two scoring defense.

So, 1987 was the last time you had a team win the Super Bowl that did not have a Hall of Fame qb or a top two defense. Heck, even if you just say you need a #1 defense overall, you still have to go back to 1991 to find a team that did not have that or a HOF qb.
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We've drafted a QB in the past, this wouldn't be much of a surprise. Schaub just got paid so I think it's safe to say he'll be the starter no matter who might be drafted.

In the end, it'll be status quo for the offense, considering we'll be rolling out the same scheme with the same guy running it. We can only hope bolstering the defense and the Oline can get us to the top. If not, we've reached our peak
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I know Tom Landry experimented with changing QBs out every other snap...and it was a HUGE failure.

However, what would be the chances in the near future that an NFL team designs two offenses...one for a pocket passer, and one for a scrambling QB, and then they convince those two guys to split the duties according to whatever team they are facing?

One week, your pocket passer might be the answer to an opposing defense.

The next week, you might pull him in favor of the more mobile QB who can take advantage of perhaps a completely different type of opposing defense.

The payoff would be that teams no longer have to stick with ONE GUY the whole way through, there is a prearranged agreement whereby the whole team buys into the deal. More teamwork than Lone Ranger stuff like we have always seen in the NFL.

The NFL is changing. The rules for QBs, Receivers, and Defenses are begging a team to take advantage of it.
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We've drafted a QB in the past, this wouldn't be much of a surprise. Schaub just got paid so I think it's safe to say he'll be the starter no matter who might be drafted.

In the end, it'll be status quo for the offense, considering we'll be rolling out the same scheme with the same guy running it. We can only hope bolstering the defense and the Oline can get us to the top. If not, we've reached our peak
I do think, if Kubiak and Smith and his crew review the tapes...and IF they see that Matt Schaub's inability to evade pressure and even make just some semblance of a play while on the run (and let's face it, he can't)...then I think there's nothing holding this team back from trading Schaub away.

I don't think it would happen, but frankly I do think (unless he has a trade clause I don't know about) that it IS an option if they wanted to rid the cap fallout and start over.

There are a handful of teams whom I think would consider taking Schaub and his salary. We might even have to sweeten the pot somehow, but if they wanted to get rid of Schaub and his contract...I think they could get it done.

But yet I also will say that will never happen. They will think they just need better OL protection for him, he just needs more talent at the WR and TE position. And better defense around him. They will talk themselves into ignoring the obvious, which is their standard operating procedure.
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We have a slow plodding offense that is best when the defense is great . The problem is the defense did not get that memo this year .

If we increase the deep speed at WR , the defense doesn't have to respect that cause Matt can't throw it that far . It's like when the Oilers traded Pastorini for Stabler . The defense didn't have to respect the deep ball because the Snake didn't have one . The defense crept even closer to the LOS smothering Earl .

I've said before that bad special teams = a slow team .

Why are the Texans still good ? They have some of the key components in D. Brown , J JO , JJ Watt , and AJ . I think they're building blocks except they've wasted AJ .
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The SB loser scored 17 points or fewer 31 times, and between 18-21 points 8 times.

Many of them also had great QBs.

You also need a good defense to win it.

The winner score fewer than 28 points 22 times.
Some of the scores were not from the offense.

There had been 29 non-offensive TDs and 5 safeties scored, most of them by the winning team. (I did a rough count so the numbers may be off a bit.)

This doesn't include turnovers that set up the other team to score quickly.

There were at least 3 instances where the winning team scored fewer offensive points.

So, do you need an elite defense or an elite QB?
It looks like a toss-up to me.
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The SB loser scored 17 points or fewer 31 times, and between 18-21 points 8 times.

Many of them also had great QBs.

You also need a good defense to win it.

The winner score fewer than 28 points 22 times.
Some of the scores were not from the offense.

There had been 29 non-offensive TDs and 5 safeties scored, most of them by the winning team. (I did a rough count so the numbers may be off a bit.)

This doesn't include turnovers that set up the other team to score quickly.

There were at least 3 instances where the winning team scored fewer offensive points.

So, do you need an elite defense or an elite QB?
It looks like a toss-up to me.
So it sounds like you need coaching also ?
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So it sounds like you need coaching also ?
that's the problem with winning Super Bowls...you have to beat Great quarterbacks, great defensive units and well coached teams. All season long I kept hearing the Texans pat themselves on the back telling everyone how good they were...hopefully they do less patting next year and work in more out-coaching and out-playing great teams. To be a great team you gotta start beating great teams.
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