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Old 01-17-2013   #421
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Would David Carr be a better QB than Shaub if placed on this team right now?
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Also, I know there's a big love affair with Kaepernick around here now. But lets not forget, he was put into a really really good situation. Three first round picks on that offensive line. A first round pick receiver and tight end. A pro-bowl running back. One of the greatest receivers of all time (even though past his prime). Not to mention, IMO, the best defense in football.

If we invested this much into our offense, and our defense was as good as the 9ers, I don't think we're complaining about our QB and analyzing the Ravens right now.
Does it matter if chris Meyers wasn't a first round pick if he's a pro bowler?

Does it matter that od wasn't a first round pick if he's one of the better te's in the league?

Arian has been better than gore. Andre is one of the best of all time and he still actually has some juice left...

And that best defense in football gave up a bunch of points last time they played NE. They gave up a bunch of points to gb too.

In the last 5 weeks the least amount of points they've given up was 27. They've given up 40+ twice in that time span.

Now this is the defense you call the best. Assuming we can even match the "best", we'd still need an explosive offense led by a qb that could rack up points.
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But let's say we go out and add a top flight rookie receiving target. Keys say they pan out.

OD goes down. Or dre goes down. Or Arian goes down.

Are we again saying that Matt didn't have enough weapons at his disposal?

This year you had all of your big guns healthy...all year for the most part. That's kind of rare for teams.
I'm not saying Matt didn't have enough weapons, I'm saying we didn't get them all on the field often enough. Same thing with that hurry up offense thing we did... at the end of the half, we put several receiving options on the field, we went with an uptempo pace. Matt was successful.

At the end of the game, we didn't put as many receivers on the field... even though Posey did get on the field. & we huddled up afer every play (not a traditional huddle, but the time savings were nil).. we successfully got down the field & scored, but for what we needed to do, not really what I'd call success.

Matt doesn't have a strong arm, he's not going to extend plays. For him to be successful, you have to spread the field, that means getting as many receiving options into the pattern as possible.

IMO, we need to learn how to run out of 3 WR sets, with KDub's blocking prowess, that shouldn't be too much of a stretch. If the OL can improve their blocking scheme, where they don't need so much help, that should help Matt. Run a hurried tempo from time to time with regularity, that should help Matt.

The sets we're running out of aren't conducive to Matt's strentghs.
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Would David Carr be a better QB than Shaub if placed on this team right now?
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man, how could anyone say "yes" to DC over Schaub. Schaub isn't great, but he's not David Carr awful.
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I'm not saying Matt didn't have enough weapons, I'm saying we didn't get them all on the field often enough. Same thing with that hurry up offense thing we did... at the end of the half, we put several receiving options on the field, we went with an uptempo pace. Matt was successful.

At the end of the game, we didn't put as many receivers on the field... even though Posey did get on the field. & we huddled up afer every play (not a traditional huddle, but the time savings were nil).. we successfully got down the field & scored, but for what we needed to do, not really what I'd call success.

Matt doesn't have a strong arm, he's not going to extend plays. For him to be successful, you have to spread the field, that means getting as many receiving options into the pattern as possible.

IMO, we need to learn how to run out of 3 WR sets, with KDub's blocking prowess, that shouldn't be too much of a stretch. If the OL can improve their blocking scheme, where they don't need so much help, that should help Matt. Run a hurried tempo from time to time with regularity, that should help Matt.

The sets we're running out of aren't conducive to Matt's strentghs.
I remember some of Jacoby's drops deep.
Jean was slow on a few balls this year as well.

I was hoping that Posey can be the guy that stretches the field next year, but now we may need to find another one.

(Note, the report out of the combine was that Posey was timed between 4.37 to 4.5 something like that.)
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man, how could anyone say "yes" to DC over Schaub. Schaub isn't great, but he's not David Carr awful.
Sure am glad you pos repped me the other day. Your gazillion point subtraction would sure hurt my rep prowess.
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man, how could anyone say "yes" to DC over Schaub. Schaub isn't great, but he's not David Carr awful.
Its hard to be successful when he had one of the worst offensive lines in recent history
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Its hard to be successful when he had one of the worst offensive lines in recent history
267 career sacks to Schaub's 151

2002 - 76
2003 - 15
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2005 - 68
2006 - 41

Who knows how good the kid could've been.
I was NEVER a Carr fan...let alone a , so nobody need even go there with me. But I must confess, I would love to have seen a less-demoralized Carr, taking snaps behind a good offensive line.
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Its hard to be successful when he had one of the worst offensive lines in recent history
the incredible self-sacking quarterback still has fans I see.
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Self-sacking? Hah!! Shaub crumbles like a cookie when he feels pressure!
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Self-sacking? Hah!! Shaub crumbles like a cookie when he feels pressure!
Schaub's sack totals are low Einstein. He gets the ball out instead of eating it all the time. I didn't think there were any more Carr fanboys left. Good for you.
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Give respect when respect is due. You're embarrassing yourself with this assessment. Brady is elite and already a Hall of Famer.

I wish Kubes and Shaub had just an ounce of Belichick and Brady in them.
If you ever watch nature shows, you see lions will go for the throat of their prey. They will continue to hold that death grip long after the prey has moved to ensure that it's dead.

That is Brady. He's not going to let up on his grip and give you even the slightest chance. He's going to go for your jugular vein and keep his death grip on you until you have gasped your last breath of air.

I agree with you that I wish Kubiak and Schaub had some of that attitude in them. Belichick/Brady are lions. Kubiak/Schaub are turtles.

But that's okay, because this kid likes turtles.



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At least he can feel pressure. Carr often heard footsteps in his head and dove for the closest foxhole.
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267 career sacks to Schaub's 151

2002 - 76
2003 - 15
2004 - 49
2005 - 68
2006 - 41
Don't know where you got your stats but Carr was sacked 53 times in 2006. So athletic Carr was sacked 3.3 times per game in 2006. Then sloth like Schaub was sacked 1.5 times per game in 2007 behind essentially the same OL. So...

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... yes self-sacking. He ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage like a moron. He had no pocket feel whatsoever. All the athleticism in the world didn't help out his bad judgment.

This Schaub crumbling mythology is getting out of control. Did he crumble on either of those back to back fined hits in the Denver game?
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http://www.nfl.com/player/davidcarr/2504804/careerstats
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ESPN shows 41 in 2006: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...006/david-carr

I have noticed before when looking at sack and fumble stats, that there seems to be discrepancies between ESPN and NFL.com stats. It's always good to check both just in case.
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Schaub's sack totals are low Einstein. He gets the ball out instead of eating it all the time. I didn't think there were any more Carr fanboys left. Good for you.
I'm not a David Carr fanboy by any means...but to ignore the fact that Shaub literally falls to the ground when he gets touched from behind? We have all seen Shaub do this. He has no ability whatsoever to evade any pass rush. Listen, I think Shaub is a good passer but you have to admit that Shaub can't escape pressure. At least not recently. I'm not discounting the fact that he can stand in the pocket and make a throw when he knows he is about to get pummeled. When he feels any pressure from his backside he crumbles.
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ESPN shows 41 in 2006: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...006/david-carr

I have noticed before when looking at sack and fumble stats, that there seems to be discrepancies between ESPN and NFL.com stats. It's always good to check both just in case.
I always go to Stats LLC to verify stats.
They are the official stat keepers for the NFL.
They keep everything updated.
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They mentioned something on the radio that I thought was interesting. That being, this was the first time Matt, dre, od and Arian had played this many games together in one season.
After our first field goal, they flashed a note across the screen saying those were the first points we ever scored in the first half @ New England.
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