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Old 01-16-2013   #21
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Landry was the DC with the Giants and Lombardi was the OC with the Giants . Landry had the defensive background . I thought Lombardi was not so much the innovator as he was the the guy who made sured you were prepared for anything on a given play .

I kinda think Wade's wishy washy I wanna be a head coach again wore then with the troops . I don't believe that Cushing's injury was the reason the defense regressed that much .
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"We weren't prepared". When has that NOT been one of the excuses after a loss?

Too bad the team isn't prepared to find coaches who will prepare the team for the big games.
Exactly.

Thats a running theme for kubiak coached teams.

Wade did a bad job in that game. No excuses for that.

But it's kind of hard to practice up tempo stuff when the offense you're going against in practice doesn't do much of it.

That's on kubiak. He's the head coach and he should make sure the entire team is prepared. Wade should have simulated some of that hurry up stuff though. Just an all around failure.
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yeah, its just ironic that the team we lost to constantly has players saying "we were prepared" in regards to their coach after big wins.
Maybe only now youare begining to see that the Texans are suffering from coaching/leadership problems. Gary has had long enough to grow on the job. (He did his best this yr since he's been here and his best still isn't good enough.)

Dont expect any changes though. That's not the way Bob operates. I mean they aren't even will to fire the ineptness that is Coach Joe.
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You mention Jim Harbaugh and Bill Belichick...nothing in those teams seem stuck in "systems". We seem a slave to our system while other teams build systems around their talent. Hell, for an offensive guru, Kubiak can't even run a hurry up offense. While we patiently wait for things to come our way via patience, guys like Andre Johnson are at the end of their careers.
It blows my mind that this offense seems to lack some of the basic functions of many other NFL offenses. Most noticeable is the lack of a true hurry up and the very limited pre-snap audible abilities at the line of scrimmage.

Kubiak has a bit of that old school "this is what we do and we do it well" attitude to him. He seems to believe that as long as we can do one-dimension really well, then that's all we need to do. But other teams are figuring out how to dismantle that one-dimension, and we are seeing an inability to adapt to that on-going evolutionary process.

And Wade seems to be from the same mold with his defensive schemes.
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Having a play caller on the field eliminates this problem. I watched Phillips on TV after first NE game IIRC saying he was getting the call sent in too late.
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It blows my mind that this offense seems to lack some of the basic functions of many other NFL offenses. Most noticeable is the lack of a true hurry up and the very limited pre-snap audible abilities at the line of scrimmage.

Kubiak has a bit of that old school "this is what we do and we do it well" attitude to him. He seems to believe that as long as we can do one-dimension really well, then that's all we need to do. But other teams are figuring out how to dismantle that one-dimension, and we are seeing an inability to adapt to that on-going evolutionary process.

And Wade seems to be from the same mold with his defensive schemes.
Patriots lose a player (they lost both Woodhead and Gronk in the first quarter) and then they alter what they do based on the talent of the guy replacing them. The guys replacing those guys didn't run identical stuff...they did what they were good at. We on the other hand (just one example of many), swing Old man ILB Ruud outside to man cover players obviously faster than he is.
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Patriots lose a player (they lost both Woodhead and Gronk in the first quarter) and then they alter what they do based on the talent of the guy replacing them. The guys replacing those guys didn't run identical stuff...they did what they were good at. We on the other hand (just one example of many), swing Old man ILB Ruud outside to man cover players obviously faster than he is.
I heard an interview after the game with Brady and he talked about how they had worked all week on a specific game plan that largely revolved around gronk being in the line up.

He said that once he went out they pretty much had to scrap everything they worked on. So yeah...
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But it's kind of hard to practice up tempo stuff when the offense you're going against in practice doesn't do much of it.
It's the responsibility of the scout team to simulate the Patriots offense. So the defense does practice against a team that is supposed to be playing like the Pats.

So how did a thread about the defense turn into another Kubiak bashing thread? When the defense does good, Wade gets ALL the credit. When the defense does bad, somehow Kubiak gets the blame still?
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It does make you wonder if McNair is looking in the NFL's rear-view mirror to emulate previous successful dynasties too much. He might be lacking the vision to see big picture evolution in the NFL, much to the detriment of required deviation that continuous success demands.

"Old school" coaches like Belichick see the evolution and adapt accordingly. His team is winning games today in a much different way than they were winning games in 2002. Rule changes and player evolution is changing the game. Young head coaches like Jim Harbaugh are dynamic because they understand the on-going evolution. Adapt or go extinct.

Reminds me of that documentary about Tom Landry. Dude was a genius innovator, and so much of the league at the time was stuck in the 1950's power run game that his schemes seemed exotic and unrealistic to his peers. In hindsight, however, we see him for the true genius that made the NFL a better overall game. Now his perspectives and innovations are considered fundamentals in football. By the same way, today's innovations and evolution will be perceived the same way decades from now.

The NFL is clearly morphing into a very offense-friendly league. Hopefully the Texans can keep up.
You and I are on the same page.

I've been saying that same thing, entirely, for about 4 days now. But I think a lot of us (including you & I, and others) have been FEELING that way for more than that, it's just that we're now openly SAYING it.

And this season, especially the two losses to the Patriots (with the playoff loss seeing us make the same dumb errors as before), has made us realize that it's not just a theory any longer. It's fact.
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It's the responsibility of the scout team to simulate the Patriots offense. So the defense does practice against a team that is supposed to be playing like the Pats.

So how did a thread about the defense turn into another Kubiak bashing thread? When the defense does good, Wade gets ALL the credit. When the defense does bad, somehow Kubiak gets the blame still?
There are plenty that are willing to tell it like it is about Wade and his ineptitude--myself being one of them.

As far as Kubes goes, it's because there is so much deep-seated animosity for Kubiak and the way he "manages" the game and the personnel. And truthfully, the buck stops with him.
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It's the responsibility of the scout team to simulate the Patriots offense. So the defense does practice against a team that is supposed to be playing like the Pats.

So how did a thread about the defense turn into another Kubiak bashing thread? When the defense does good, Wade gets ALL the credit. When the defense does bad, somehow Kubiak gets the blame still?
The scout team? Do you know how many players are on an NFL scout team?

Do you even know how a scout team works?

You sound ridiculous.

Scout team is not a full set of offensive players. It consist of the practice squad players and your bottom of the roster back ups.

There is no offensive coach running the scout team for the defense. You think case Keenum is going to go out there with roc Carmichael at wr and simulate the patriots offense?

The only work the texans defense could have possibly gotten throughout the year against a real offense would have been during team sessions when the offense went up against the defense.
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The scout team? Do you know how many players are on an NFL scout team?

Do you even know how a scout team works?

You sound ridiculous.

Scout team is not a full set of offensive players. It consist of the practice squad players and your bottom of the roster back ups.

There is no offensive coach running the scout team for the defense. You think case Keenum is going to go out there with roc Carmichael at wr and simulate the patriots offense?

The only work the texans defense could have possibly gotten throughout the year against a real offense would have been during team sessions when the offense went up against the defense.
First of all, thank you for the kind words.

The purpose of the scout team is to simulate your opponent... and our opponent is known to do that quick snap. So a prepared defense should have practiced this against the scout team.

And yes, I expect Case & Roc to be simulating the Patriots offense. Of course they are not going to be exactly the same, but they can at least simulate a quick snap.
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There are plenty that are willing to tell it like it is about Wade and his ineptitude--myself being one of them.

As far as Kubes goes, it's because there is so much deep-seated animosity for Kubiak and the way he "manages" the game and the personnel. And truthfully, the buck stops with him.
This mostly.

Kubiak is the head coach. Why should we be the only team that doesn't look at the head coach when one of it's players comes out and says we weren't prepared?

This isn't new. It's just one of the few times that a player comes out and says this.

Fire wade. I don't really care. LoL...that make anyone feel better about going into next season? Kubiak and any other available defensive coordinator of your choice?
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It's the responsibility of the scout team to simulate the Patriots offense. So the defense does practice against a team that is supposed to be playing like the Pats.

So how did a thread about the defense turn into another Kubiak bashing thread? When the defense does good, Wade gets ALL the credit. When the defense does bad, somehow Kubiak gets the blame still?
I do not perceive any "Kubiak bashing" in this thread. I do see critical analysis. Feel free to agree or disagree, but conversation is what a forum is all about.

As far as Kubiak being mentioned in a defensive thread, he's still the head coach of this football team. Wade answers to Gary, so any and all failure of any given aspect of this team ultimately lands on Gary as the head coach.

There is an attitude that permeates this organization. Like just about every football team, the head coach's perspectives and philosophy resonate throughout all aspects of the team. The attitude of this head coach appears to be more reactive than proactive. There should not be a problem in talking about this stuff as fans. Nobody is advocating that McNair fire Kubiak. It's just conversation.
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I do not perceive any "Kubiak bashing" in this thread. I do see critical analysis. Feel free to agree or disagree, but conversation is what a forum is all about.

As far as Kubiak being mentioned in a defensive thread, he's still the head coach of this football team. Wade answers to Gary, so any and all failure of any given aspect of this team ultimately lands on Gary as the head coach.

There is an attitude that permeates this organization. Like just about every football team, the head coach's perspectives and philosophy resonate throughout all aspects of the team. The attitude of this head coach appears to be more reactive than proactive. There should not be a problem in talking about this stuff as fans. Nobody is advocating that McNair fire Kubiak. It's just conversation.
BTW, I do agree Kubiak deserves some blame as he is the head coach. At the same time, though, he deserves some credit for the defense's turnaround from 3 seasons ago. That's my point.
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BTW, I do agree Kubiak deserves some blame as he is the head coach. At the same time, though, he deserves some credit for the defense's turnaround from 3 seasons ago. That's my point.
why? Because Wade was forced on him?
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BTW, I do agree Kubiak deserves some blame as he is the head coach. At the same time, though, he deserves some credit for the defense's turnaround from 3 seasons ago. That's my point.
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why? Because Wade was forced on him?
My thoughts too, Vinny.
I think that we all know if Gary wasn't backed into a corner we would still be the subpar team we were.
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I don't care if Wade was forced on him or not... just that we need to be consistent. If he deserves some blame for the defense's failures, he deserves some credit for their success.
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I don't care if Wade was forced on him or not... just that we need to be consistent. If he deserves some blame for the defense's failures, he deserves some credit for their success.
Kubiak takes the blame for the entire team....he isn't the Offensive Coordinator - he is the Head Coach. He often acts like he is the OC though. I found it interesting that Mike McCoy (Bronco's OC that was just named new Chargers' Head Coach) said in his presser that he wanted a OC who would call plays on game day because there was too much to do and he felt obligated to oversee everything...and not just stay wrapped in the offense. Personally, I think Kubiak should distance himself from the offense and start cracking the whip on the other units more and not just be an extension of Shaub.
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