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My draft with FA considerations.

Its well known that we are up against the cap and won’t be able to go after any high dollar FA’s. This is how I would approach the upcoming offseason. I believe to an extent this is how Smithiak will approach it also. Look at last year. Did anyone see us letting go of Breisal and Cave man? Mario? All in the same offseason? It has sbeen said we model ourselves after NE and what does NE do every year. Let their over valued FA’s walk and replace them in the draft with young versatile players. Then they use the money saved to get FA’s they covet.

This mock is based on that premise.


1 Kawann Short, DT, Purdue A Smith insurance and Cody replacement.
Why, we already have A Smith and he played well this year? He is over 30 and he is a FA after next year. His eventual replacement needs to be found now.

How this helps the team.

It adds another high quality Dlineman that specializes in penetration to add to the rotation up front. He is versatile enough to play all three positions. He played all over the line at Purdue. He could start in place of Cody right off the bat IMO. At worst you now have solid depth off the bench to relieve Mitchell and a getting older Smith.

2 Chase Thomas, LB, Stanford C Barwin replacement

How this would help the team.

First off it will save us from having to spend too much money on Barwin. Money we can spend elsewhere.

Why? We already have Mercilous, Reed, Brahman and Barwin. Barwin didn’t have a great year but will still likely get a high dollar offer on the open market. Pass rushers are a premium in todays NFL. Especially young ones in their prime. You can never have enough good pass rushes.
How this helps the team. Obviously it gives us another good young pass rusher to add into the mix but it also gives us a smart player that could move easily move inside so he also adds versatility.

3 Robert Lester, S, Alabama R Quin replacement

This will save us from having to spend too much money on Quin. Money we can spend elsewhere. He is the most likely of our FA’s to receive an offer that we won’t want to match.

How this helps the team.

Lester has started the last 4 years at Alabama facing the best the SEC has had to offer and came out looking pretty. He could have been a first round pick had he came out last year. Lucky for us that his numbers were down this year and it’s a deep draft at safety. He has all the right intangibles to replace Quin without any drop off in production. Actually he is probably better at attacking the ball.

3 Shayne Skov, ILB/OLB, Stanford

Why an ILB so early? Thought Chase Thomas could move inside? Well that doesn’t help the depth at ILB so I’m getting another Quality inside guy. The way Cushing plays his career could be over or his season ended at any play. Young solid depth is a must.

How this helps the team. Skov is very good at blitzing on the inside, intelligent, well coached and solid in coverage which will allow us to blitz Cushing more. His frame will allow him to easily put on 10 or 15 more pounds which will make him a complete player very soon. He will contribute right away.

4 Menelik Watson, OT, Florida State

Why so late on the OL?

Because what good is it going to do to draft an OL early in this draft? Are you going to start him next year? You really want to start a rookie again? I know the right side of the line didn’t play up to the standard of the guys the year before. Did Breisal and Wisnton play up top that standard in their first year? This OL scheme takes time to learn. The guys we have now will be the starters next year it wont be another rookie you can book that.

How this helps the team.

Watson is young and inexperienced. He is a project which is the only reason a guy with his physical abilities is available this late in the draft. He is a straight up beast with amazing agility for a guy his size. He looks like D Brown body wise. Give this guy a couple of years and he could be a monster. Maybe with good coaching he can replace Newton or move inside and take over after Smiths contract expires.

5 Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia Cody insurance
Why a big guy? Because we could use some sand in our pants on goal line and third and short situations. It’s a fifth round pick that could end up turning into something special. At worst he could be used in special situations.

5 Brandon Kaufman WR Eastern Washington

He’s a two-time FCS All-American. The 6-4, 215-pound Kaufman is coming off a remarkable season in which he caught 93 passes for 1,850 yards and 16 TDs.
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6 Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU

I know people are going to say no way he last this long. I say he will be lucky to go here. He really wasn’t that great at CB. He is getting drafted here simply for his return abilities. He’s a specialist with a checkered past. I would put him through an intense interview before I would even draft him here. For the sake of my mock he convinced me that his past is just that and he wants to play football more than anything else in the world.

7 Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

Brooks Reed’s little big brother. We could use another TE with good size and athleticism and he has good blood lines.

7 Zach Line, FB, Southern Methodist James Casey replacement/insurance

If Casey gets an offer hes not worth then Oh well. Line is going to have to add some bulk and power to be a true fullback in the NFL but should be a better lead blocker right now than Casey. He is one of the most productive running fullbacks to come out in some time. Line ran for 1,224 yards (5.9 average) and 17 touchdowns as junior last year. He ran for 1,494 yards with an average of 6.1 yards per carry and 10 touchdowns in 2010, also catching 17 passes for 163 yards.

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Line runs with power and has a style similar to Stanford's Toby Gerhart in the 2010 NFL Draft.


I hate that I couldn't fit Zac Dysert in here somewhere. I have been wanting him for the last two years. I just don't see Kubiak drafting a QB in this draft. There is alot of talent but they ALL have too big of question marks against them. I really want Dysert though. Im afraid after the offseason gets going and people start looking at him he is going to move way up the draft out of our reach.
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Default Re: My first draft with FA considerations.

Left out that with all the money we save by not resigning Barwin, Cody and Quin we can now go after a just below elite FA. Maybe a Mike Wallace (PIT) or Brian Hartline (MIA) or Danny Amendola (STL) or Jared Cook (TEN)
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Default Re: My first draft with FA considerations.

I don't see us letting Quin go. He has been soild for us the past 3 years. If we are in the 3rd round and Margus Hunt hasn't been picked up yet, we should 100% go get him. He is a FREAK.
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I don't see us letting Quin go. He has been soild for us the past 3 years. If we are in the 3rd round and Margus Hunt hasn't been picked up yet, we should 100% go get him. He is a FREAK.
Did you see us letting Mario or Breisal or Winston go last year? We may not have a choice. He is the most likely out of all our FA's to get a big offer. Look good teams have to let good guys go sometimes to keep the salary cap situation workable.

Hunt is a freak! there are freaks in every draft. That doesn't always translate in the NFL. He is very very raw. Most of his big plays came against poor competition. beerlover fell in love with him after their bowl game. But like I told him, He was going up against a true freshman in that game.

I wouldn't draft him before the 4th or 5th round. Thats with our picks. of course my opinion might change about him after I see him compete with better competition at the combine.
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Love the Lester pick dislike mathieau unless your planning on making him a bob sanders type safety. Dude can't cover man to man and that's mostly what we play. His checkered past is just the icing on the "no" cake for me.
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Love the Lester pick dislike mathieau unless your planning on making him a bob sanders type safety. Dude can't cover man to man and that's mostly what we play. His checkered past is just the icing on the "no" cake for me.
"I know people are going to say no way he last this long. I say he will be lucky to go here. He really wasnt that great at CB. He is getting drafted here simply for his return abilities. Hes a specialist with a checkered past. I would put him through an intense interview before I would even draft him here. For the sake of my mock he convinced me that his past is just that and he wants to play football more than anything else in the world. "
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Default Re: My first draft with FA considerations.

I don't know where Mathieu's head is. But he was more than just a returner. Mathieu was one of the best defenders in the SEC. He would be an excellent nickel CB.
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I don't know where Mathieu's head is. But he was more than just a returner. Mathieu was one of the best defenders in the SEC. He would be an excellent nickel CB.
Not really. Alot of people just assumed that because he made so many highlight reel plays. link
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Default Re: My first draft with FA considerations.

I like alot of the players you've chosen but your draft is very heavy on the defensive side of the ball. With the very serious injury to Posey and he most likely not playing next season I'd sure like to see a better WR taken and way earlier than 5b. I also like Watson in the 4th but would like to see high quality OG in the 3rd, I think we'll need 2 O-line picks in the first 5 rounds. And HELL NO to Mathieu, he's undersized, been out of football to long, and a drug dealer. You guys that keep picking Mathieu in your mocks are drafting a memory of what he used to be hoping that he might be that play maker again. Rick Smith said last year the Texans would forgive and pick a player with 1 discretion on his record but not a player with repeated discretions for the same offense. Mathieu failed 3 drug tests to get kicked off the LSU team and then got arrested for being a drug dealer, that's 4 discretions for the same thing, drugs.
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Default Re: My first draft with FA considerations.

I like Chase Thomas alot. His verisitility allows wade to bring pressure from different spots. Thomas and Cushing in the middle with both guys having pass rush ability is a great thing to have defensively. I would like them to get a wr in the 1st two rds. Between allen,wiliams,hunter,patterson,watkins,or rodgers, they should be able to get a guy who can be an eventual #1 wr.
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I like Chase Thomas alot. His verisitility allows wade to bring pressure from different spots. Thomas and Cushing in the middle with both guys having pass rush ability is a great thing to have defensively. I would like them to get a wr in the 1st two rds. Between allen,wiliams,hunter,patterson,watkins,or rodgers, they should be able to get a guy who can be an eventual #1 wr.
I agree on Thomas that guy is just a good football player. I like his versatility as well. I also like Skov as well.
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My draft with FA considerations.

Its well known that we are up against the cap and wont be able to go after any high dollar FAs. This is how I would approach the upcoming offseason. I believe to an extent this is how Smithiak will approach it also. Look at last year. Did anyone see us letting go of Breisal and Cave man? Mario? All in the same offseason? It has sbeen said we model ourselves after NE and what does NE do every year. Let their over valued FAs walk and replace them in the draft with young versatile players. Then they use the money saved to get FAs they covet.

This mock is based on that premise.


1 Kawann Short, DT, Purdue A Smith insurance and Cody replacement.
Why, we already have A Smith and he played well this year? He is over 30 and he is a FA after next year. His eventual replacement needs to be found now.

How this helps the team.

It adds another high quality Dlineman that specializes in penetration to add to the rotation up front. He is versatile enough to play all three positions. He played all over the line at Purdue. He could start in place of Cody right off the bat IMO. At worst you now have solid depth off the bench to relieve Mitchell and a getting older Smith.

2 Chase Thomas, LB, Stanford C Barwin replacement

How this would help the team.

First off it will save us from having to spend too much money on Barwin. Money we can spend elsewhere.

Why? We already have Mercilous, Reed, Brahman and Barwin. Barwin didnt have a great year but will still likely get a high dollar offer on the open market. Pass rushers are a premium in todays NFL. Especially young ones in their prime. You can never have enough good pass rushes.
How this helps the team. Obviously it gives us another good young pass rusher to add into the mix but it also gives us a smart player that could move easily move inside so he also adds versatility.

3 Robert Lester, S, Alabama R Quin replacement

This will save us from having to spend too much money on Quin. Money we can spend elsewhere. He is the most likely of our FAs to receive an offer that we wont want to match.

How this helps the team.

Lester has started the last 4 years at Alabama facing the best the SEC has had to offer and came out looking pretty. He could have been a first round pick had he came out last year. Lucky for us that his numbers were down this year and its a deep draft at safety. He has all the right intangibles to replace Quin without any drop off in production. Actually he is probably better at attacking the ball.

3 Shayne Skov, ILB/OLB, Stanford

Why an ILB so early? Thought Chase Thomas could move inside? Well that doesnt help the depth at ILB so Im getting another Quality inside guy. The way Cushing plays his career could be over or his season ended at any play. Young solid depth is a must.

How this helps the team. Skov is very good at blitzing on the inside, intelligent, well coached and solid in coverage which will allow us to blitz Cushing more. His frame will allow him to easily put on 10 or 15 more pounds which will make him a complete player very soon. He will contribute right away.

4 Menelik Watson, OT, Florida State

Why so late on the OL?

Because what good is it going to do to draft an OL early in this draft? Are you going to start him next year? You really want to start a rookie again? I know the right side of the line didnt play up to the standard of the guys the year before. Did Breisal and Wisnton play up top that standard in their first year? This OL scheme takes time to learn. The guys we have now will be the starters next year it wont be another rookie you can book that.

How this helps the team.

Watson is young and inexperienced. He is a project which is the only reason a guy with his physical abilities is available this late in the draft. He is a straight up beast with amazing agility for a guy his size. He looks like D Brown body wise. Give this guy a couple of years and he could be a monster. Maybe with good coaching he can replace Newton or move inside and take over after Smiths contract expires.

5 Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia Cody insurance
Why a big guy? Because we could use some sand in our pants on goal line and third and short situations. Its a fifth round pick that could end up turning into something special. At worst he could be used in special situations.

5 Brandon Kaufman WR Eastern Washington

Hes a two-time FCS All-American. The 6-4, 215-pound Kaufman is coming off a remarkable season in which he caught 93 passes for 1,850 yards and 16 TDs.
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6 Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU

I know people are going to say no way he last this long. I say he will be lucky to go here. He really wasnt that great at CB. He is getting drafted here simply for his return abilities. Hes a specialist with a checkered past. I would put him through an intense interview before I would even draft him here. For the sake of my mock he convinced me that his past is just that and he wants to play football more than anything else in the world.

7 Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

Brooks Reeds little big brother. We could use another TE with good size and athleticism and he has good blood lines.

7 Zach Line, FB, Southern Methodist James Casey replacement/insurance

If Casey gets an offer hes not worth then Oh well. Line is going to have to add some bulk and power to be a true fullback in the NFL but should be a better lead blocker right now than Casey. He is one of the most productive running fullbacks to come out in some time. Line ran for 1,224 yards (5.9 average) and 17 touchdowns as junior last year. He ran for 1,494 yards with an average of 6.1 yards per carry and 10 touchdowns in 2010, also catching 17 passes for 163 yards.

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Line runs with power and has a style similar to Stanford's Toby Gerhart in the 2010 NFL Draft.


I hate that I couldn't fit Zac Dysert in here somewhere. I have been wanting him for the last two years. I just don't see Kubiak drafting a QB in this draft. There is alot of talent but they ALL have too big of question marks against them. I really want Dysert though. Im afraid after the offseason gets going and people start looking at him he is going to move way up the draft out of our reach.
I like your first 5 quite a bit. I'd bring back Quin. I think he'll keep getting better as he gains experience. We definitely need a new 3rd S as I don't want Keo or Demps to ever see the field again.
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beastly mock. gotta choose Texans keeping either Barwin or Quin. even a good chance both resign? how would this impact your mock?
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Default Re: My first draft with FA considerations.

I like most of the players you have listed .... and wouldnt mind them taken in the slot you have them at .... but I dont like the finished product. The defense will be improved .... but not enough to shut teams out on a weekly basis to counter for that anemic offense.


The offense needs an infusion of youth and speed ... Not taking an offensive player before the tail end of the 4th round .... tho I think you got the position right at OT .... isnt going to improve the offense any.
While Posey was coming along the past few games , I dont think we can count on him at all going forward with the AT tear.

While I like Brandon Kaufman I just dont see him making a real impact as a rookie , much like Martin and Posey this past season.

I realize you expect to grab a WR via FA .... but with the cap issues and 20+ FA's of their own , I just dont think its reasonable to expect .... but I could be wrong.


Lastly , while Tyrann Mathieu is a hell of an athlete , I wouldnt touch that cat as an UDFA.
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I like Chase Thomas alot. His verisitility allows wade to bring pressure from different spots. Thomas and Cushing in the middle with both guys having pass rush ability is a great thing to have defensively. I would like them to get a wr in the 1st two rds. Between allen,wiliams,hunter,patterson,watkins,or rodgers, they should be able to get a guy who can be an eventual #1 wr.
I like alot of the top WRs too. I just don't see any of them making that much difference with Schaub at QB. WRs don't usually make a huge impact the first year anyway.

I see us covering our asses against FA exits and high dollar demands. By doing that we don't have to worry about having positions that are left without quality fill ins. This also allows us to move on from these players without drop off and save a lot of money that could be used for a young veteran FA at a true need position. I think this is the strategy you will see us use from now on.
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I don't know where Mathieu's head is. But he was more than just a returner. Mathieu was one of the best defenders in the SEC. He would be an excellent nickel CB.
No he wasn't. Did you watch him play? Dudes coverage is suspect at best.

He was good blitzing and ok in zone coverage, but he would not be an excellent nickel for us.

I can see safety. Maybe the third safety role that wade likes to use. But he'd get eaten alive in the slot.
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"I know people are going to say no way he last this long. I say he will be lucky to go here. He really wasn’t that great at CB. He is getting drafted here simply for his return abilities. He’s a specialist with a checkered past. I would put him through an intense interview before I would even draft him here. For the sake of my mock he convinced me that his past is just that and he wants to play football more than anything else in the world. "
I really can't say being so far away from him. But just from afar he looks irresponsible.

But if the texans talked to him and trusted him he'd be a dynamite returner. And maybe eventually he could work into a role on defense.
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beastly mock. gotta choose Texans keeping either Barwin or Quin. even a good chance both resign? how would this impact your mock?
Good question. I just do t see us paying him what he could get on the open market. Factor in that this is a deep safety class and I see Quin playing elsewhere next year. Not saying I don't want him.

Pretty much the same for Barwin. I think his price is going to be to high. Someone will pay him because of what he did last year because he is still young and a very good athlete.

Unless either will take less to play here than they can get on the open market they are gone IMO.
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I like your first 5 quite a bit. I'd bring back Quin. I think he'll keep getting better as he gains experience. We definitely need a new 3rd S as I don't want Keo or Demps to ever see the field again.
I agree 100%. Even if we resign Quin we need to find another decent safety. This is a good year for safeties too.
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Skov isn't going pro. Returning to Stanford for another year FWIW.
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