All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

They just don't have a running game.

THis year they did. Ridley had a great season getting over 10 TD's and almost 1,300 yards, and over all the Pats had the most rushing TD's of any team in the league. Of course a ton the reason for that is because the passing would get them down the field to score, but they improved a lot in the rushing department this season.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

THis year they did. Ridley had a great season getting over 10 TD's and almost 1,300 yards, and over all the Pats had the most rushing TD's of any team in the league. Of course a ton the reason for that is because the passing would get them down the field to score, but they improved a lot in the rushing department this season.

Yes they did but they still use the throw to set up the run vs run to set up pass. They are comfortable doing that and they are comfortable using 3-4 RBs in different schemes. Brady throwing 40-50 times isn't an obscene amount for them. I just don't think it is stat padding when your offense is spreading the ball, hurry up, shot-gun and your willing to throw short to keep the clock moving.

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

Yes they did but they still use the throw to set up the run vs run to set up pass. They are comfortable doing that and they are comfortable using 3-4 RBs in different schemes. Brady throwing 40-50 times isn't an obscene amount for them. I just don't think it is stat padding when your offense is spreading the ball, hurry up, shot-gun and your willing to throw short to keep the clock moving.

Well I definitely agree when you put it this way Frog. I never thought they were stat padding. I think that people feel that way because BB leaves a lot of his starters in there when they have 40+ points on the board. He does do that and to a fault as well. That's exactly how Gronk got hurt for all these games recently, and Edelman too if I'm not mistaken.

[AndyWin]

Moving the ball early, when it matters, and on 3rd downs is the demise of Matt Schaub


A friend took the following stats from the Patriots beatdown of the Texans.

1) In the first 4 Texans' possessions of the game, Schaub went 2 for 9 on 2nd and 3rd down passes
2) The 2 passes he completed were on 3rd down for short gains that did NOT result in first downs
3) All his incompletions came between the 40 yard lines (middle of the field). Basically, this is the area that you need to cross to be in scoring position.

[Jules Winnfield]

We have been in existence since 2002 and we have never had a bona fide legitimate franchise level quarterback on our roster.

It is the most important position in all of football and ever since we failed with David Carr, we have been relegated to scouring the nfl back up scene and late round to undrafted drat picks.

Im sick and tired of stop gap measures.
Im sick and tired of glorified pro bowl legend/game managers.

Im sick and tired of the sage rosenfels, dan orlovskys, matt schaubs, tj yates, jake delhommes and case keenums.

Why cant we start planning to get a franchise level qb while Matt Schaub plays out his contract?

Can we also please stop listening to Kubiak when it comes to QBs because its quite obvious he doesnt know what constitutes a great QB base on his history of QB selections.

The NFL is changing. You can now play and win with a rookie quarterback. Not only is the nfl changing, but the qb position is changing. Mobile athletic QBs like RG3,Cam, R Wison are the next step in the evolution of the quarterback position. Even guys like andrew luck who are pocket passers have some semblance of athleticism and speed. Sure there will be pocket passers, but if you are gonna be a pocket passer you better be damn good at it.

We are at a severe disadvantage with Schaub. A pocket passer who is not even that good at being a pocket passer who is devoid of athleticism.

You can win battles with him, but you will never win the war.

[Playoffs]

2017.

[Fili]

2013. Calling it now.

[Jules Winnfield]

why was my thread moved?

that deserved its own thread. it was about the texans and franchise qbs.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

why was my thread moved?

that deserved its own thread. it was about the texans and franchise qbs.

No it doesn't. You are really just complaining about Schaub and then asking for crystal ball conjecture. The only known is Schaub will be here next year and most likely the next two. We don't need 8 million QB threads.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

No it doesn't. You are really just complaining about Schaub and then asking for crystal ball conjecture. The only known is Schaub will be here next year and most likely the next two. We don't need 8 million QB threads.

it wasnt just about schaub. it was about franchise level qbs and our direction and history as team with franchise qbs.

that thread could have fostered plenty of talk not involving matt schaub which would have included our history of qbs, what moves we could make at qb, other teams franchise qb history etc.

most threads are conjecture and just repeats of other already covered subjects. nothing wrong with that.

my thread was not just about schaub but franchise level qbs and the texans history. it deserved its own thread.

[klockWork]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

I will get blasted for this but I think we had one in Carr, he was just handled wrong.

Blasted is a kind word. Annihilation is more appropriate.

[Texcore]

Originally Posted by dream_team

Everyone knows Brady's stats are padded. It's not on him, but it's his coach. Even though they could be up 3 TDs in the 4th quarter, Brady will still be passing like they're behind (when most teams in this situation would run the ball to kill the clock). That's why I say his stats are padded. Look at this past game. At the 11:35 mark in the 4th quarter, the Pats are up 18 (3 possessions). Any normal coach would start killing the clock, but instead, Brady does 4 passes in a row. I get it, they are going for the kill and being ultra-aggressive. But this is what I mean by padding stats, throwing the ball when most teams are running it.

Schaub (and Kubiak) on the other hand is the total opposite. They throw only when they have to. In fact, most fans will tell you they don't throw it enough. That, I don't call padding stats.

Give respect when respect is due. You're embarrassing yourself with this assessment. Brady is elite and already a Hall of Famer.

I wish Kubes and Shaub had just an ounce of Belichick and Brady in them.

[HJam72]

Originally Posted by Texcore

Give respect when respect is due. You're embarrassing yourself with this assessment. Brady is elite and already a Hall of Famer.

I wish Kubes and Shaub had just an ounce of Belichick and Brady in them.

Also, they are aggressive even with a big lead because they have Brady at QB. He won't throw a bunch of picks and embarrass you. While Schaub doesn't do that, he has the potential too and Kubiak is worried about that, if he were to be super-aggressive with a lead. I would be too. Of course, there's also the throwing-the-ball-out-of-bounds 3 times and punt scenario.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Every game ... including Sunday.

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought he was trying to make a come back and get the Texans a victory. My mistake.

[buddyboy]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

We have been in existence since 2002 and we have never had a bona fide legitimate franchise level quarterback on our roster.

It is the most important position in all of football and ever since we failed with David Carr, we have been relegated to scouring the nfl back up scene and late round to undrafted drat picks.

Im sick and tired of stop gap measures.
Im sick and tired of glorified pro bowl legend/game managers.

Im sick and tired of the sage rosenfels, dan orlovskys, matt schaubs, tj yates, jake delhommes and case keenums.

Why cant we start planning to get a franchise level qb while Matt Schaub plays out his contract?

Can we also please stop listening to Kubiak when it comes to QBs because its quite obvious he doesnt know what constitutes a great QB base on his history of QB selections.

The NFL is changing. You can now play and win with a rookie quarterback. Not only is the nfl changing, but the qb position is changing. Mobile athletic QBs like RG3,Cam, R Wison are the next step in the evolution of the quarterback position. Even guys like andrew luck who are pocket passers have some semblance of athleticism and speed. Sure there will be pocket passers, but if you are gonna be a pocket passer you better be damn good at it.

We are at a severe disadvantage with Schaub. A pocket passer who is not even that good at being a pocket passer who is devoid of athleticism.

You can win battles with him, but you will never win the war.

A lot of questions, a simple answer: easier said than done. Show me the savior of the franchise who is attainable and who is going to lead us to the Superbowl next year and I'll jump right on the bandwagon with you.

RG3, Cam, and R Wilson, and Luck are all out of the playoffs, just like us. The QBs still in the playoffs? Other than Kaepernick, pocket QBs. Don't get me wrong, some mobility would be nice. Being able to extend the play would be nice. But with the emergence of the flashy, ultra-athletic running QBs, fans are starting to lose sight of what's been PROVEN to win championships.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by Texcore

Give respect when respect is due. You're embarrassing yourself with this assessment. Brady is elite and already a Hall of Famer.

I wish Kubes and Shaub had just an ounce of Belichick and Brady in them.

The argument is over whose passing stats are more "padded". Schaub or Brady. I claim Brady. Nowhere do I disrespect Brady or say he isn't as good as perceived. I think he's the 2nd best QB in the league.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by buddyboy

A lot of questions, a simple answer: easier said than done. Show me the savior of the franchise who is attainable and who is going to lead us to the Superbowl next year and I'll jump right on the bandwagon with you.

RG3, Cam, and R Wilson, and Luck are all out of the playoffs, just like us. The QBs still in the playoffs? Other than Kaepernick, pocket QBs. Don't get me wrong, some mobility would be nice. Being able to extend the play would be nice. But with the emergence of the flashy, ultra-athletic running QBs, fans are starting to lose sight of what's been PROVEN to win championships.

Also, I know there's a big love affair with Kaepernick around here now. But lets not forget, he was put into a really really good situation. Three first round picks on that offensive line. A first round pick receiver and tight end. A pro-bowl running back. One of the greatest receivers of all time (even though past his prime). Not to mention, IMO, the best defense in football.

If we invested this much into our offense, and our defense was as good as the 9ers, I don't think we're complaining about our QB and analyzing the Ravens right now.

[TejasTom]

I wonder if the end zone interception in NE on 12-10 was Matt's "Brad Lidge" moment.



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[Ghostform]

[Rey]

They mentioned something on the radio that I thought was interesting. That being, this was the first time Matt, dre, od and Arian had played this many games together in one season.

None of them got hurt and had to miss serious time.

What's the likelihood of that happening again?

I don't know.

But let's say we go out and add a top flight rookie receiving target. Keys say they pan out.

OD goes down. Or dre goes down. Or Arian goes down.

Are we again saying that Matt didn't have enough weapons at his disposal?

This year you had all of your big guns healthy...all year for the most part. That's kind of rare for teams.