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Old 01-14-2013   #21
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I am huge Cougar fan and Keenum fan and I will say only one thing about him, he is one of the smartest players and best decision makers I have ever seen as a college QB.

I don't know if he has what it takes to make it as a NFL player but I definetly think he will be a college coach when his NFL career is over.
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Which is why I advocate for drafting a QB this year. Preferably, someone who fits the current mold of athletic QBs. If Keenum beats him out, great. But I don't think the Texans should put all of their eggs in a UDFA's basket.
If that's what you're looking for then this year is not the year. Geno Smith fits the mold but he will go in the top 10 and he's not worth it. E.J. Manuel does too but I'm not a fan of his pro prospects. His meltdown against Florida was epic.

Would have been nice if Tajh Boyd had come out. Next year he will and perhaps Terry Bridgewater will as well. Then again, so will A.J. McCarron. Next year will be a much better year for drafting QB.
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Step back and look at the thread objectively. Look at the board objectively. By and large people are not happy with the play of Matt Schaub. Now this doesn't mean a damn thing as far as the Texans are concerned because they've committed to Schaub financially and they're not about to listen to what a bunch of grumpy fans have to say anyway, nor should they.

We're going to kick this stuff around until they get back into camp and when that happens and the preseason games start up, well that's when every mistake Matt makes will start an argument and every positive play Yates or Keenum makes will light a fire. There's no competition in 2013 for the starting QB position. That's a fact. If Schaub falters though that won't make a lot of difference to the people paying for the tickets if they think a better option is sitting on the bench.
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Have to admit I don't regularly listen (vs. read) press conferences, but...

Listening to Kubiak on 610 just now, Coach Kubiak's voice was that same monotone he has when talking about Schaub & Yates. I detected a bit of disappointment in Yates(?)

When asked about Case Keenum his voice just lit up:

--Really emphasized how impressed he is with Keenum

--Big arm, no problems with that arm, plus he's confident in it

--Smart, hard working, prepped for games exactly like Schaub/Yates

--Can't wait to get to do more work with him

--Need to work on his finding windows to throw through

Do we already have our next QB in house? Could it be that easy/lucky?
Keenum our next QB? We already have one Romo.
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The Coogs O-line has never been all that good throughout Keenum's career, and his defenses have always been terrible until late in the 2011 season.

And yet, when you pull up all the names of the QBs that were drafted recently, including Luck and RG III and look at how Keenum played against common opponents, you will see that his production was outstanding.

I had done some research before (even though I may miss a game or two), Keenum was always as good or better despite seeing more pressure than the other guys.

The list is very long. Besides Luck and RG III, you can add Weeden, Mallett, Foles, Osweler, etc. (basically most QBs from the PAC 10 and Big 12) and some from other conferences as well.

Obviously, nobody knows whether he can sustain the beating or not; otherwise, everything indicates that he can play.
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Step back and look at the thread objectively. Look at the board objectively. By and large people are not happy with the play of Matt Schaub. Now this doesn't mean a damn thing as far as the Texans are concerned because they've committed to Schaub financially and they're not about to listen to what a bunch of grumpy fans have to say anyway, nor should they.

We're going to kick this stuff around until they get back into camp and when that happens and the preseason games start up, well that's when every mistake Matt makes will start an argument and every positive play Yates or Keenum makes will light a fire. There's no competition in 2013 for the starting QB position. That's a fact. If Schaub falters though that won't make a lot of difference to the people paying for the tickets if they think a better option is sitting on the bench.
I distinctly remember so many arguments about Carr before Capers got the boot...

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Keenum had seen a lot of different formations between Briles and Sumlin.
The Coogs had 2 and even 3 back sets back then with Briles, including the I.
They still do, except they hardly used it lately.

They also had 2-Te sets back then.

There are game films out there with Keenum running the bootleg play action pass out of the straight I for TD.

With a year rehashing it, I think he will be ready next year - crossing my fingers.
I wasn't talking formations per se, but rather offensive style.

And it's not that I don't think he can do it, I just think he'd do better in a system like NE or new Orleans or learning behind manning...somewhere he could spread it around more and work with a quicker tempo.

I wonder if kubiak would let him play out of the spread formation or 3 wide.

I mean, when we were going hurry up yesterday schaub actually looked to the sideline and shrugged his shoulders because he didn't know what to run. It's like we didn't even practice or discuss that kind of situation. He should really be at a point in his career where he can go to the line and make a call in that situation. We shouldn't have to relay plays in after every snap.

That was kind of discouraging. Thats the fastest we can move as an offense?

If that's the most freedom kubiak is going to give his qb's then I think he is limiting a player lime case and potentially limiting schaub.

If that's how he's going to handle his qb's then a Michael Vick or Tony romo Romo type may indeed be a better fit. Someone with mobility, a good arm but needs the reigns put on their decision making.
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I wasn't talking formations per se, but rather offensive style.

And it's not that I don't think he can do it, I just think he'd do better in a system like NE or new Orleans or learning behind manning...somewhere he could spread it around more and work with a quicker tempo.

I wonder if kubiak would let him play out of the spread formation or 3 wide.

I mean, when we were going hurry up yesterday schaub actually looked to the sideline and shrugged his shoulders because he didn't know what to run. It's like we didn't even practice or discuss that kind of situation. He should really be at a point in his career where he can go to the line and make a call in that situation. We shouldn't have to relay plays in after every snap.

That was kind of discouraging. Thats the fastest we can move as an offense?

If that's the most freedom kubiak is going to give his qb's then I think he is limiting a player lime case and potentially limiting schaub.

If that's how he's going to handle his qb's then a Michael Vick or Tony romo Romo type may indeed be a better fit. Someone with mobility, a good arm but needs the reigns put on their decision making.
I think Kubiak will adjust.
Look how the Shanahans adjust and even add the option read for RG III in Washington.
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If that's what you're looking for then this year is not the year. Geno Smith fits the mold but he will go in the top 10 and he's not worth it. E.J. Manuel does too but I'm not a fan of his pro prospects. His meltdown against Florida was epic.

Would have been nice if Tajh Boyd had come out. Next year he will and perhaps Terry Bridgewater will as well. Then again, so will A.J. McCarron. Next year will be a much better year for drafting QB.
I didn't see the Florida game, but Manuel does not look like anything special to me. He looks like a more mobile, way less refined Matt schaub.
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I think Kubiak will adjust.
Look how the Shanahans adjust and even add the option read for RG III in Washington.
I don't know man...

He won't even let schaub go free much...you think hes going to allow Keenum that kind of freedom and adjust his offense for him?

Next year I really hope he starts to open up the offense more and lets schaub have more freedom.
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I don't know man...

He won't even let schaub go free much...you think hes going to allow Keenum that kind of freedom and adjust his offense for him?

Next year I really hope he starts to open up the offense more and lets schaub have more freedom.
I never think of Schaub as a guy with high football IQ.

It's sad to say that Keenum can diagnose potential blitzes and coverage switches faster and better than Schaub in his first few years here (and even right now.)

I don't think I've ever seen Keenum got sacked by a free blitzer.

And I'm not sure I remember an instance when Schaub took advantage of a free play on a defensive offside (I maybe wrong here but does anybody remember?)

On the other hand, it was pretty much automatic with Keenum, and mostly, he would take a shot deep on those free plays. And he did these things from early on in his career, too!
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Keenum our next QB? We already have one Romo.
????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating
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I think a lot of guys are blinded when it comes to Keenum. They can't see him objectively because of where he comes from.
What?? Abilene means people are blinded???
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????????Granted it was in college, but Keenum had a 70% completion rate, 155 passing TDs (with additional 23 rushing TDs) / 46 INTs, 160 QB rating
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I never think of Schaub as a guy with high football IQ.
Actually John, I disagree with this. I think Schuab actually is pretty "football smart"... In fact, Seth Payne tweeted something earlier today about Schaub being quite football-smart, but hampered by Kube's overbearing system.
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I doubt it's his height that's keeping him back. There's got to be more to it than just his height.

Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are "short."
I think it had to do with playing in C-USA, a lot of doubters, but he still broke NCAA passing records
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I think it had to do with playing in C-USA, a lot of doubters, but he still broke NCAA passing records
JUP!!! Pretty much this and the fact that people perceive him as a "system Quarterback"!
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yeah it is ...but will this next QB get us to the promise land I dont know ..????
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I don't think the QB we NEED to take us to the promise land under Kubes is on this roster. I seriously don't. But I'd rather go with Yates or Keenum over Shaub since we know he is not the answer.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...lMNrHct2I&NR=1

I mean 9 TDs in 1 game? ONE GAME!!
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