All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[gtexan02]

I've been seeing Schaub supporters throw out 330+ yards with 2 TDs and only 1 INT to defend Schaub.
At the same time, the Schaub detractors have said that stats are meaningless -- especially in garbage time.

Schaub supporters have pointed to the 40+ points our defense has given up to the Patriots both times as being insurmountable
Schaub detractors have blamed the stalling offense for giving the Patriots easy scoring opportunities.


I remember reading a few months ago that yards per attempt by the QB, and opposing yards per attempt (for the defense), were two of the most predictive statistics in the NFL. QB rating and opposing QB rating are of course more correlative with wins, but those have scores built in so the statistics are somewhat circular.

Anyway, since the Patriots game, here is how our team stacks up in yards per attempts:
7.25 Schaub 8.5 Brady (loss)
8.42 Schaub 6.9 Luck (win)
5.56 Schaub 5.8 Ponder (loss)
7.64 Schaub 6.8 Luck (loss)
6.90 Schaub 4.2 Dalton (win)
6.73 Schaub 8.6 Brady (loss)

Before the Pats game Schaub's yards per attempts was 7.3. After it was 7.1

Before the Pats game our defense was giving up 6.3 yards per attempt. After it was 6.8.

Some of Schaubs numbers are padded by garbage time. To me it looks like our defense and offense were never playing well at the same time. When we held the opponents passing game in check (Minn), our offense was awful. When we moved the ball ok, we either committed turnovers or gave up a ton of points on defense.

Thats one other thing these stats don't take into account: Turnovers. Schaub threw a costly INT in this game. He had two horrible picks against Indy as well. YPA only matters if turnovers are roughly equal. When you lose the turnover battle, you have to be extra good. Our offense started giving the ball away at the same time our defense forgot how to make plays on the ball.

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

It was the same with the rockets and t-mac with fans In this city. people cried for 3-4 years about how t-mac wasnt doing this or that in the playoffs even though dudes numbers actually went up in those times...the rest of the team just couldn't do much to help him..so morey got him outta here and fans rejoiced in the streets. 3 years of lottery picks, a new coach, numerous failed advances towards other superstars and record setting dwindling attendance numbers later, we finally got that superstar....or so we think anyway. It remains to be seen if he'll be able to take us where we ultimately have been trying to go...his last foray in the playoffs though, he kinda disappeared...fans will never learn. I wonder if they'll turn on him too.

Don't think you watched the NBA playoffs last year because Harden carried the Thunder to the finals. He held the ball in crunch time in the first three rounds, not Westbrook or Durant. He was breaking down defenses. And it only took the Rockets three years, while they played .500 ball with a relatively young team. They aren't afraid to make changes and are quick to react. It is not fair to compare the Texans and Rockets because the Rockets are much better run while the Texans are okay with the status quo. At least the Rockets tried to get a superstar and finally got one. The Texans didn't even talk to Manning.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by gtexan02

Thats one other thing these stats don't take into account: Turnovers. Schaub threw a costly INT in this game. He had two horrible picks against Indy as well. YPA only matters if turnovers are roughly equal. When you lose the turnover battle, you have to be extra good. Our offense started giving the ball away at the same time our defense forgot how to make plays on the ball.

I don't know how, but I forgot his fumble as well.

I made a comment earlier, that Schaub played better than Peyton since Peyton threw 2 INTs & lost a fumble. I was wrong, Schaub threw an Int & lost a fumble, so if he played any better, we're talking about polishing a turd here. Peyton threw 3 TDs to Schaub's 2 so that makes up for the extra Int.

[Hervoyel]

I was thinking of making a Matt Schaub "Waterboy" picture where I'd photoshop Matt's head onto Bobby Boucher's body or maybe shop that big water rig he carried around onto Matt. Ok, it was a cheesy thought but I really was thinking that the best place for Matt on this team is distributing "High Quality H2O" instead of fumbles and picks.

That's when this showed up in Google Image Search.



Matt Schaub bears more than a passing resemblance to Bobby Boucher's dad. Now I can't unsee this so I pass the problem on to all of you. Enjoy!

[DX-TEX]

Schaubs contract ends the same year Luck becomes a free agent....coincidence?

[silvrhand]

You have to ask yourself, are you happy with just having a good season and getting into the playoffs, or do you want to win a superbowl.

Jim Harbaugh has the balls to make those decisions, Kubiak, well not so much, Bellichick cut a guy the day before the superbowl..

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...004651704.html

[TexanSam]

My gut tells me the Texans will draft Schuab's replacement in next year's draft. I think next year is Schuab's last year as a Texan. They aren't going to release him since he's all we got right now and he still has a lot of money left on his contract, but after next season the cap hit won't be as bad. For now, I think the Texans will try and improve other positions and hope for the best with Schaub as QB next season.

[Exascor]

I admit it. I have QB envy. I have trouble looking at any team and not projecting success with their QB on the Texans. Matt Schaub is limited enough that he'll rarely if ever win a game by himself. I know we'll end up with Schaub for 2013 but it's time to start weighing the options for the future.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by silvrhand

You have to ask yourself, are you happy with just having a good season and getting into the playoffs, or do you want to win a superbowl.

Jim Harbaugh has the balls to make those decisions, Kubiak, well not so much, Bellichick cut a guy the day before the superbowl..

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...004651704.html

eh..... chances are Harbaugh does not draft Kaepernick if he knew they would get to the NFC Championship game.


After I just typed that, I had to stop & think. When they hired Harbaugh, he looked at Smith & by draft time, he knew Smith couldn't get him to the NFC Championship game. I don't think Harbaugh was wrong as much as Smith played above his ceiling & that's the point isn't it.

1. Harbaugh knows who Alex Smith is.
2. Players play above their ceiling for him.


Forget whatever argument I thought I might have.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

eh..... chances are Harbaugh does not draft Kaepernick if he knew they would get to the NFC Championship game.


After I just typed that, I had to stop & think. When they hired Harbaugh, he looked at Smith & by draft time, he knew Smith couldn't get him to the NFC Championship game. I don't think Harbaugh was wrong as much as Smith played above his ceiling & that's the point isn't it.

1. Harbaugh knows who Alex Smith is.
2. Players play above their ceiling for him.


Forget whatever argument I thought I might have.

Kaepernick has a ton of talent and he can hurt you in many ways as a 2nd rd pick . He plays behind an OL with three 1st rd picks . Matt Ryan was the 3rd pick in the draft and they gave him a ton of weapons . Its about allocating your capspace .

[GlenRice]

[Luv_ya_blue]

Do you have a link?

[ATXtexanfan]

financially?

[GlenRice]

Originally Posted by Luv_ya_blue

Do you have a link?

610 radio interview with him this morning.

[SheTexan]

Did you HAVE TO START ANOTHER THREAD!!!!!????? Geeeeezzzzz, there's Schaub bashing going on all over this place!!

[Marcus]

He DID NOT say he was elite. I dare anyone to prove me wrong.

[Wolf]

You sure you didnt read the Q and A thread that Gary had from 2010

And it got bumped today?

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Presser after the game he was asked

"Of all the quarterbacks who have won this weekend, is there any doubt in your mind you belong with them?"

His answer

"Absolutely no doubt in my mind, I belong up there with EVERY ONE of them"

That would include Brady, which would make him putting himself in the elite category.

Have to go to houstontexans.com and watch the video of he and Gary after the game ... comments are at the end.

This is such BS. If he had said "no I'm not that good" you would be slagging him for that. Plus he didn't say he was elite.

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

This is such BS. If he had said "no I'm not that good" you would be slagging him for that. Plus he didn't say he was elite.

I don't know about you guys, but I want a QB that has confidence in himself.

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

This is such BS. If he had said "no I'm not that good" you would be slagging him for that.

And that is the crux of this whole 'argument', which I hesitate to call it as much. It's really not about performance, it's entirely about their impression of what a QB should be like. Honestly, some of these muppets would rather have Philip Rivers because he throws tantrums (like they do) and attempts to blame all around. Philip flippin Rivers