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Old 01-14-2013   #1921
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Interesting reading this thread. Perhaps the main knock I have on Kubiak right now is that I don't believe he has it in him to part ways with Schaub at this juncture.

And in terms of Kubes' near term job security, that is probably the best decision for him, I mean, what are the chances that a rookie QB comes in and is an immediate upgrade? What are the chances that we can cut Schaub and then still be able to afford to get a vet who's an upgrade, and then even if we do, the chance that they don't take to the system.

For Kubes, it makes perfect sense to stick with Schaub and keep on beating everyone you're supposed to beat and failing against the elite tier QB's who given the current NFL rules will shred any D you put in front of them.

Take the Welker bomb on KJax, Welker pushed off on Kareem, if Kareem pushed back it would have been PI on D.

As for the Offensive scheme, I really don't know. We talk about our 'young' team, but our O is starting to get old now. AJ getting up there, OD too, Walter, Schaub, Thats 4 of your top 5 skill position players beyond their prime now. They haven't drafted/traded for an upgrade at any of those positions for years either. They bring on their draftees extremely slowly and then bleed them in in a way that puts plenty of tape on to scheme against before they've ever had chance to do any real damage. Just look at the Casey FB switch, I get the feeling Bill would have exploited that mismatch until teams simply had to sell out against it. What does Gary use it for?

A little wrinkle here and there, maybe let him rack up 100 yards receiving in a game once every 18 months or so. Whats the point of that when you could have a full on blocking FB roadgrading for our excellent RB group?

I have no expectations that we'll move on from either Schaub or Kubiak this offseason, and I don't see us winning fewer than 10 games with the status quo either. But we're going to be praying for favourable playoff seedings and more in January 2014 again unless something changes in philosophy. Which, again it won't.

Worst thing about last night? Lots of people were worried that the refs would screw us, yet the calls almost all went our way, there were awful ball spots that moved the chains for us, Fosters TD that could easily have been called short, video evidence was inconclusive at best. Injuries, not something you wish for but the Pats lost some important pieces during the game. What more could you ask for, and the scoreline reads far, far more respectably than it could have done.

This entire Smithiak era is beginning to look to me the way the Chargers looked a few years ago, racking up loads of stats in the regular season and failing in the playoffs. They had a lot of similar tools to what we have in terms of personnel too. Just never managed to get it done.
Good points all, repped.

I guess I'd sum it up this way... We managed to climb out of the cellar and not be perpetual whipping boys any more under Schaub and Kubiak, Yaaay us.

....but is this as good as it gets? How long before Uncle Bob figures out there's more work to be done and he needs new pieces and/or upgrades to existing pieces to go the rest of the way? Because Schaub and/or Kubiak aren't enough.
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How is this still happening in year 8?
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Kubiak hasn't thrown a TD pass to the opponent three straight weeks ....
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After 8-8 this year I'd think McNair might finally rid ourselves of him.
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Default Re: At what point does Kubiak run out of leash?

2 years ago as far as I'm concerned. But, he doesn't have a QB worth a damn, A Johnson is past his prime, and the secondary is depending on a washed up Ed Reed to make it better. Texans aren't very good.
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2 years ago as far as I'm concerned. But, he doesn't have a QB worth a damn, A Johnson is past his prime, and the secondary is depending on a washed up Ed Reed to make it better. Texans aren't very good.
They were good enough to have the game in the bag until Schaub threw a TD pass to the wrong guy .... again.
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Default Re: At what point does Kubiak run out of leash?

It ran out a few years ago. I've never been a big fan of his and I've always stated that I thought of him as someone who righted the ship, but not someone who is going to lead us deep into the playoffs. Should've gone after Peyton when he was available but they were too arrogant.
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Kubiak's offensive philosophy and calling is okay. We're saddled with a liability at QB, though, and that QB is regressing.

2010 Matt Schaub with our current defense could have won a Super Bowl. 2013 Matt Schaub has fallen so far off the tracks that we're not going to win the division.
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Kubiak hasn't thrown a TD pass to the opponent three straight weeks ....
Nor has he benched the guy who has.
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Kubiak hasn't thrown a TD pass to the opponent three straight weeks ....
But the guy he rolls with has
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Kubiak's offensive philosophy and calling is okay. We're saddled with a liability at QB, though, and that QB is regressing.

2010 Matt Schaub with our current defense could have won a Super Bowl. 2013 Matt Schaub has fallen so far off the tracks that we're not going to win the division.
2010 Matt Schaub chokes under pressure just like 2013 one.
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Kubiak's offensive philosophy and calling is okay. We're saddled with a liability at QB, though, and that QB is regressing.

2010 Matt Schaub with our current defense could have won a Super Bowl. 2013 Matt Schaub has fallen so far off the tracks that we're not going to win the division.
For the first time today, I agree with you.
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2 years ago as far as I'm concerned. But, he doesn't have a QB worth a damn, A Johnson is past his prime, and the secondary is depending on a washed up Ed Reed to make it better. Texans aren't very good.
One guy doesn't make one mistake and cost us 6 points with three minutes left and we probably win the game against what most consider the best team in the league. Everyone would be talking about Superbowl. Now we are no better than 8 and 8. Gotta Love it
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I'm ready to scrap this season and see what Yates or Keenum can do so we know whether we need to draft a new QB high next year.
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Nor has he benched the guy who has.

Hard to bench a starting QB .... but damn , if ever one deserved it , Schaub is that guy.


Im absolutely disgusted with his play over the last ~8 games.
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Kubiak....kinda lost faith in him last year in the playoffs....he's taken is as far as he can....I think this game kinda sealed my belief in Schaub....can kubes and you'll get your qb of the future.....I'd hate to let him be apart of choosing that qb and then be fired the next year... The new coach may not want that guy.
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Hard to bench a starting QB .... but damn , if ever one deserved it , Schaub is that guy.

Im absolutely disgusted with his play over the last ~8 games.
There have been HOF QBs that have been benched for poor play. There have been Super Bowl winning QBs that have been benched for poor play. Schaub doesn't have anything close to that pedigree, and he's not going to bench himself.
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kubiak's offensive philosophy and calling is okay. We're saddled with a liability at qb, though, and that qb is regressing.

2010 matt schaub with our current defense could have won a super bowl. 2013 matt schaub has fallen so far off the tracks that we're not going to win the division.
this!!!!!!
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I can't help but feel like we should start case/tj, if either of them fails we have a nice draft pick to plug the hole at QB with and the money we save on having a rookie contract QB can be used to resign the quality young team we have to put around them.

Today is the first time I've come to the conclusion that Schaub can't get it done anymore. He's knackered and it upsets me to see it because I give him a lot of credit for pulling our team to respectability.

Kubiak gets the opportunity to sort this out for me if, and only if, he's willing to face up to the fact that he no longer has a QB.

The rest of this team is good, some issues on the back end of D that I believe will even themselves out, plenty of potential on the oline and I do trust the coaching staff to make the most of that talent, eventually. I see a lot of positives apart from the most important position on the team.
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