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Old 01-13-2013   #21
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What did you do with the suit Ray? Where's the suit and why did you feel the need to ditch it?

Dude's a murderer in my eyes. I can't and won't deny his talent but I'll be so happy next year when he's gone.
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So murder is ok... if you are a Christian?

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Only if your catholic.

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[quote=2012Champs;2105405]Innocent people settle all the damn time. It often times come down to cost vs potential risk. If you dont understand this then you clearly don't understand how the world works[/

I understand perfectly fine I don't believe he's innocent id bet my life on it. Michael Jackson settled too but I'm sure hrs innocent just like ray lewis.
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So murder is ok... if you are a Christian?

Sounds good.
Where did I say murder was ok? I said he is redeemed, he is forgiven for his sins. Just like you, me and everyone else is when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and ask for forgiveness.
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Default Re: How did Ray Lewis go from murder suspect in 2000 to NFL royalty in 2013?

The only people that will really know the truth will be the people that were in the fight and there. We simply don't know and will never know the truth likely, and they will eventually answer for whatever did happen at some point.
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Ray Lewis has been a hell of a player. He was never found guilty of any wrong doing.

People need to grow up and stop acting as if they were there.
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Ray Lewis has been a hell of a player. He was never found guilty of any wrong doing.

People need to grow up and stop acting as if they were there.
Exactly.
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Ray Lewis has been a hell of a player. He was never found guilty of any wrong doing.

People need to grow up and stop acting as if they were there.
People need to grow up and stop acting like being an exceptional football player makes everything you do is ok. That includes protecting your boys who may have murdered two men. But those two men didn't were not football greats that dont do stupid pregame dances with face paint like john Randall.
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Nobody held accountable....sounds perfect for today's America.
Hell, if OJ can practically decapitate two, then go play golf in Florida, with his NFL pension untouchable, why can't Lewis live his dream?
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He was never found guilty of any wrong doing.
Not true. He pled guilty to obstruction of justice in a plea bargain and was sentenced to probation.
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"How did Ray Lewis go from murder suspect in 2000 to NFL royalty in 2013?" Because through God's grace and mercy we are redeemed. Ray Lewis is a Christian, and God has great things instore for believers.
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Where did I say murder was ok? I said he is redeemed, he is forgiven for his sins. Just like you, me and everyone else is when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and ask for forgiveness.
Sure sounds like committing murder is no biggie so long as you are Christian.

In fact, it sounds like so long as you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and ask for forgiveness, then you can get away with pretty much anything. Must be nice to see religion as a get out of jail free (literally) card.

*Just to be clear, I am not attacking Christianity/religion here. Only the idea posted above.
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Roger Goodell was down there on the field, pre game, hugging Ray Lewis for like 45 seconds. Swaying back and forth together.

The NFL "character" system is odd. ODD.

Forget whether he is forgiven or redeemed or saved or whatever. The NFL commissioner is out there embracing him and acting like none of that ugly mess ever happened. It was odd.

I guess it's up for interpretation for Roger Goodell. If I were him, I would have shook his hand, a slap on the back and a "Go out there and give it all you got."

i wouldn't have had as large of a moment with Ray Lewis as Goodell did. Then again, this is the same guy who is dapping and hand jiving draft picks during the first round of last year's draft. It's funny and awkward all at the same time.

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Roger Goodell was down there on the field, pre game, hugging Ray Lewis for like 45 seconds. Swaying back and forth together.

The NFL "character" system is odd. ODD.

Forget whether he is forgiven or redeemed or saved or whatever. The NFL commissioner is out there embracing him and acting like none of that ugly mess ever happened. It was odd.

I guess it's up for interpretation for Roger Goodell. If I were him, I would have shook his hand, a slap on the back and a "Go out there and give it all you got."

i wouldn't have had as large of a moment with Ray Lewis as Goodell did. Then again, this is the same guy who is dapping and hand jiving draft picks during the first round of last year's draft. It's funny and awkward all at the same time.

LOL.
I agree. I have seen Goodell hugging first rounders like some long lost uncle. I don't get it either.

I don't get the Ray Lewis thing. He's a great LB, and he is a great orator. But let's not apply for sainthood just yet.
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I understand perfectly fine I don't believe he's innocent id bet my life on it. Michael Jackson settled too but I'm sure hrs innocent just like ray lewis.


I wouldnt bet my life on something that 1. I dont have first hand knowledge of and 2. That doesnt actually matter in the end


I wonder why Vic didnt get the same treatment from the justice system, you know since it is all about money and status?
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I wouldnt bet my life on something that 1. I dont have first hand knowledge of and 2. That doesnt actually matter in the end


I wonder why Vic didnt get the same treatment from the justice system, you know since it is all about money and status?
Because when PETA gets involved someone has to pay! You can't go around killing animals as if they were people!
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What did you do with the suit Ray? Where's the suit and why did you feel the need to ditch it?
I like Ray Lewis and I'm glad he turned his life around.

But the above question has always been a splinter in my mind's eye. It's an obvious question that nobody wants to ask anymore.

He knew more about that incident than he admitted. The missing suit speaks volumes to this silence.

I'm not accusing him of murder. However, I'm also pragmatic and understand that his plea of guilty to obstruction of justice in a plea bargain is clearly a more-to-the-story situation.

Since then, though, he's been an inspiration to many and a role model for both players and fans. It's not like he's had a troubled pattern over the years that reveals he's faking it. I think that tragedy focused the man to define what he wanted to be in life and he chose the high road.
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Because we live in a society where athletic prowess is valued above scholarship and even rule of law. Let's consider a few facts:

1. The prosecution in O.J. Simpson's trial had to dismantle his "nice guy" image. While his temper was famous among his friends, his publicists had spent decades crafting his image.

2. Jim Brown allegedly was known for slapping women around but while he was playing was never charged.

3. Mr. Warren Moon allegedly beat his wife Felicia on more than one occasion but wasn't charged until his playing days ended.

4. Michael Irvin was busted in a hotel room with a crack rock the size of a baseball and mysteriously got community service for a crime which would have sent anyone else to prison.

5. Nate Newton was busted REPEATEDLY with GARBAGE BAGS full of marijuana in the trunk of his car while playing and each time got a slap on the wrist. He wasn't sent to jail until AFTER he left the Dallas Cowboys.

6. Ray Lewis had a double murder occur in the master bedroom of his home but a friend who was at the party/get together went to prison for it. Ray was cleared of all charges as his friend fessed up and Ray testified against him.

7. Ben Roethlissburger was accused of sexual assault.

8. Kobe Bryant was accused of sexual assault.

9. Lawrence Taylor was arrested multiple times with cocaine, but wasn't prosecuted until his playing days ended.

10. Daryl Strawberry was arrested multiple times with cocainebut wasn't prosecuted until his playing days ended.

11. Dwight Gooden was arrested multiple times with cocaine but not prosecuted until his playing days ended.


Athletes who are still playing their respective sports, with the notable exceptions of Dog Boy (Michael Vick) and Plaxico Burress are RARELY charged for any crime of which they're accused and in the rare instances when they ARE charged get feather-light slaps on the wrist.
Go to ANY public school and you'll see student athletes holding their heads high as lions leading their pride as they stride hallways between classes secure in the knowledge that they needn't attend classes as long as they perform.

College athletic departments have frequent headaches caused by student athletes with criminal histories. High school athletics never has a "bake sale" or a car wash to raise money as the funding is always there. College athletics receives THEIR funding before any academic departments. Professors will be fired before a single coach (unless it's women's athletics). More and more colleges are doing away with tenure so that they can more easily rid themselves of pesky tenured profs who will fight to keep their departments alive. A high school chemestry teacher with 20 years gets less respect than Rodney Dangerfield while a football coach with a winning season is treated like a god. A doctor could cure cancer and probably still wouldn't be as highly regarded as a quasi-literate professional athlete.

We coddle people who are good at baseball, basketball, football and hockey from the cradle to the grave and we wonder why so many of them have delusions of granduer.

Yes I am aware of the Irony of decrying professional atheletics on a message board for a professional football team.
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3. Mr. Warren Moon allegedly beat his wife Felicia on more than one occasion but wasn't charged until his playing days ended.
On tangent...sorry...

Story I heard from an officer on scene was that the wifey made a trip to the galleria and spent almost a 1/4 million dollars on clothing, perfume, and other unnecessary crap. Warren flipped when he found out.
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