Schaub and Wade Phillips

[ATXtexanfan]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Did you watch the game? You don't sit back and look at points at the end of the game. You determine how the opponent's offense was so successful against you, especially in the red zone. The answer was the gameplan. Man coverage nearly all game and poor matchups created by the defensive gameplan. If you can't see that, and go to an argument regarding other teams and other games and points scored, you don't know what your talking about or you didn't watch the game. Simple as that.

or you could look at how schaub has been unsuccesful in the red zone forever? gameplan an average qb vs a hall of famer. or you could look forward to schaub as your qb next year and some ol crap in playoffs. schaub sucks bro, suck it. our window is closed so long as hes our qb

[utahmark]

I don't think anyone wants to let Wade go... At least I hope not. But if you can't see how bad Wade's defense is against spread offenses, then your not watching very close. New England, Green Bay, and New Orleans score on everyone but you would hope our defense could slow them down a little
instead they score higher than normal when playing us. Wade needs to adapt.

As for Schaub... He played scared and we need a replacement. The sooner the better.

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by Rey

I think Kubiak is conservative by nature, but with Schaub at QB he becomes even more so.

Not a good recipe.

A conservative coach with Chad Pennington/John Kitna at QB = an offense that just can't quite get it done.

What happened to this offense? They used to score.

[amazing80]

Originally Posted by Vinny

this team was out coached on both sides of the ball. Schaub's dinking and dunking a reflection of Kubiaks no risk/no reward style.

Im sorry but I don't buy that we changed our entire play book and stopped looking deep, I think Schaub just stopped throwing deep....nothing to do with play calling, the dude still has to execute the plays...

I will say Gary made some stupid calls, like constantly running straight at Wilfork, or continuing to throw wr screens when dbs were in press coverage.....thats inexcusable, but the deep throws IMO are a result of Schaub being an idiot

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by ATXtexanfan

or you could look at how schaub has been unsuccesful in the red zone forever? gameplan an average qb vs a hall of famer. or you could look forward to schaub as your qb next year and some ol crap in playoffs. schaub sucks bro, suck it. our window is closed so long as hes our qb

Um, ok? That wasn't your point earlier, but if you read you would see that I don't think Schaub is very good.

[Brisco_County]

Time of possession. Period.

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by amazing80

Im sorry but I don't buy that we changed our entire play book and stopped looking deep, I think Schaub just stopped throwing deep....nothing to do with play calling, the dude still has to execute the plays...

I will say Gary made some stupid calls, like constantly running straight at Wilfork, or continuing to throw wr screens when dbs were in press coverage.....thats inexcusable, but the deep throws IMO are a result of Schaub being an idiot

No, the lack of deep passing plays is a result of Schaub's physical limitations and how teams are starting to play him. They are not worried about the deep stuff anymore, because Schaub doesn't have the arm strength or the quick throwing motion to make it work. It's a representation of how teams have adapted to our offense. It started mid-season and is now the new blueprint.

[Mr teX]

Its not that i want to replace wade, i just acknowledge the suck is team wide, not localized to 1 guy. The defense is supposed to be the strength of our team....they've carried us alot this season. Yet, in our biggest games of the year they've been worse. That's a problem.

This team reminds me of the 2000 TB bucs...constantly kept falling short in the playoffs despite having 1 of if not the top defense in the league for years.. Made a coaching change and they finally broke thru.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

No, the lack of deep passing plays is a result of Schaub's physical limitations and how teams are starting to play him. They are not worried about the deep stuff anymore, because Schaub doesn't have the arm strength or the quick throwing motion to make it work. It's a representation of how teams have adapted to our offense. It started mid-season and is now the new blueprint.

Teams already know this a gazillion years ago.

[qqert]

Originally Posted by Vinny

this team was out coached on both sides of the ball. Schaub's dinking and dunking a reflection of Kubiaks no risk/no reward style.

this big time. we need a mobile QB before talk of Superbowl.
even harbaugh/49ers realized that.

[deucetx]

Originally Posted by Brisco_County

Time of possession. Period.

We did win the TOP. Plus this is overrated. TOP means little when you go against a team that runs no-huddle like the Patriots where everything happens so fast your darn defense can't even line up.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Vinny

this team was out coached on both sides of the ball. Schaub's dinking and dunking a reflection of Kubiaks no risk/no reward style.

Agreed. If McNair really wants to win a championship he needs to hire a brilliant mind like Chip Kelly who takes calculated risks.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

No, the lack of deep passing plays is a result of Schaub's physical limitations and how teams are starting to play him. They are not worried about the deep stuff anymore, because Schaub doesn't have the arm strength or the quick throwing motion to make it work. It's a representation of how teams have adapted to our offense. It started mid-season and is now the new blueprint.

Schaub did not have a great game. However, the Texans gave up 41 points to New England despite a clean game by the special teams and without any defensive touchdowns... And, they could've scored more.

Schaub does not eat up 20% of the cap like Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees. The team is structured to win differently. Part of that means tight ends catching perfect passes on slant routes for touchdowns. It also means the defense needs to have a clue and not slam into each other trying to figure out which side is the strong side.

Wade was horribly exposed. He can't adjust. He did a lot to turn this defense around. His staff has done an amazing job of teaching and developing players. However, good offensive minds scheme him to death, and he is helpless to adjust. Kubiak is the same way on offense. The interception that Schaub threw to #50 happened because the Pats new exactly what the play was going to be and dropped him into the zone.

What I will say is that the Texans offense can be much better if they add some explosive talent. They don't have near the talent and resources that Wade has at his disposal.

Still, it is deflating to see the inability for the Texans (on both sides of the ball) to adapt from the last game or as things happened during this game.

[ATXtexanfan]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Um, ok? That wasn't your point earlier, but if you read you would see that I don't think Schaub is very good.

unless we change qb we suck again

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Schaub did not have a great game. However, the Texans gave up 41 points to New England despite a clean game by the special teams and without any defensive touchdowns... And, they could've scored more.

Schaub does not eat up 20% of the cap like Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees. The team is structured to win differently. Part of that means tight ends catching perfect passes on slant routes for touchdowns. It also means the defense needs to have a clue and not slam into each other trying to figure out which side is the strong side.

Wade was horribly exposed. He can't adjust. He did a lot to turn this defense around. His staff has done an amazing job of teaching and developing players. However, good offensive minds scheme him to death, and he is helpless to adjust. Kubiak is the same way on offense. The interception that Schaub threw to #50 happened because the Pats new exactly what the play was going to be and dropped him into the zone.

What I will say is that the Texans offense can be much better if they add some explosive talent. They don't have near the talent and resources that Wade has at his disposal.

Still, it is deflating to see the inability for the Texans (on both sides of the ball) to adapt from the last game or as things happened during this game.

Funny that you say we aren't built like the 4 Super Bowl winners. That's how teams win. They put their money on the guy that touches the ball on every play. You explained the problem in your second paragraph.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Funny that you say we aren't built like the 4 Super Bowl winners. That's how teams win. They put their money on the guy that touches the ball on every play. You explained the problem in your second paragraph.

It's not as simple as that. The Broncos put a ton of money on Peyton.
What did they get?

[MasterCush]

I like Wade. His defenses get burned against elite QBs but he completely turned our defense around last year and he deserves another year or two.

Schaub has been sucking lately. I don't care how good a team is, you can't have a physical weakling at the most important position. I can only imagine what our team would look like with a big physical threat right there that can fire a long ball and run too. I don't think Schaub is a good leader. He's just an unathletic bald fart who inspires absolutely no passion into the other players. If there's a good chance to get another QB this year then we should definitely jump on it. If not, give him ONE more year.

[qqert]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

It's not as simple as that. The Broncos put a ton of money on Peyton.
What did they get?

put peyton in instead of schaub i reckon we have a better chance.

[ATXtexanfan]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

Its not that i want to replace wade, i just acknowledge the suck is team wide, not localized to 1 guy. The defense is supposed to be the strength of our team....they've carried us alot this season. Yet, in our biggest games of the year they've been worse. That's a problem.

This team reminds me of the 2000 TB bucs...constantly kept falling short in the playoffs despite having 1 of if not the top defense in the league for years.. Made a coaching change and they finally broke thru.

defense was the strength of our team last year and our oline was awesome. thats how yates got it done. everyone expected schaub to plug in and superbowl. n ot the case. things change. remember slaton. schaub sucked with a D that wasnt elite and a oline that had changes. this team not as good as a year ago. qb change is the break thru

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

It's not as simple as that. The Broncos put a ton of money on Peyton.
What did they get?

They got a team that can compete and win any game. The Texans don't have that.