Texan Re-Match with Patriot Mock

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I still think it's too early to start looking for Matt's replacement, especially with the climate in Houston, regarding Matt Schaub. Now's not a good time to spend a first or a second on a QB.

I think Kubiak has a system, a system that can win games with David Carr or Sage Rosenfels. If something were to happen to Matt & the back up has to go in, I don't think our season is lost with a Tj Yates or Case Keenum. Been there, done that.

I'd rather spend that first rounder on an Andre Johnson replacement, or a Wade Smith replacement, or a Kevin Walter replacement.

Take an Atlanta Falcons' approach & give the QB more weapons....... Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, Lloyd, etc...

There is already a terrific WR (DeAndre) & OG prospect (Bakhtiari) included with this mock. You can have it all

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by beerlover

There is already a terrific WR (DeAndre) & OG prospect (Bakhtiari) included with this mock. You can have it all

That is true..... great mock.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

There is already a terrific WR (DeAndre) & OG prospect (Bakhtiari) included with this mock. You can have it all

Yep,

60% comp, 32-ints vs 14 ints 3600 yds. What more would you want from a late 1st rd pick? Strong arm? Accuracy problems are due to needing to improve footwork, can Gary help improve them?

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Rey

From what I've seen of bray I think he's a second or thord round talent. When I watched some games I see an o line that was good and kept him clean and I see some really good receivers. He looks like schaub to me with a slightly better deep ball. Limited mobility, not apt of zip on the short and intermediate passes.

I'm just looking at physical attributes, how they sense pressure, how quickly they make reads and how they improvise. Decision making can be remedied with a good scheme... But as far as the things I'm looking at, bray didn't really fit. Not a terrible player...but not the eventual schaub replacement I'd be looking for.

And as far as Andre was goes, I trust his evaluations as much as I trust anyone elses besides what I see with my own eyes.

Andre ware was 100% sold that mark Sanchez would be a star qb in the NFL. I remember before that draft and into his rookie year he said several times that Sanchez was a big time player.

And I don't think Sanchez sucks at all, but he's far from the player ware said he'd be.

BTW, Bray had his team in the game against Georgia in the 4th qtr. Despite the Vols defense being so poor that there was pressure to score every time they had the ball. In the 4th qtr a Georgia DL knocked the ball out of his hand causing a fumble. Georgia scored and then because the Vols were behind 2 scores with 7 mins left in the game did Bray start taking chances and threw n int. Keep in mind he was facing a Georgia defense the will have probably 10 guys playing in the NFL including two 1st rders and atleast 6 2nd day picks.

And, his HC Dooley was probably one of worst HC's at a major college program that I've seen in along time. Dooley was clearly in over his head.

Slightly better deep ball than Schaub, LOL Not enough zip on the ball on short/intermediate balls? You need to look at that again. He does have some accuracy problems, but that can be corrected with better Coaching. Which he didn't receive at Tennesee/Dooley.

[beerlover]

Still in heat of moment during 4th quarter (waiting for ruling on Posey TD) but its pretty clear Texans need to add speed on defense. Pass rusher, LB & CB.

Special teams suck, hard. Drafting a punter is warranted.

I think most will agree the time is now to address future QB to replace Schaub.

OL needs improvement but we already knew that spending two picks will help along with continued development of young players.

I'm not sure Casey has a spot. Getting a bigger more talented TE would really help in red zone.

Who is blocking for Foster? Have Texans even used a FB?

oh yeah, TD Posey/Texans

[htownfan32]

Linebacker is such a huge need right now. Once Cushing goes down we can't even stop no-name Patriot RBs.

[LonerATO]

Before tonights game, I would have been against taking a QB in the top three rounds but it has to happen. I like the Hopkins and Fauria picks, but I can see Fauria gone before the 3rd. I still think RT, WR and ILB are huge needs for this team.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Still in heat of moment during 4th quarter (waiting for ruling on Posey TD) but its pretty clear Texans need to add speed on defense. Pass rusher, LB & CB.

Special teams suck, hard. Drafting a punter is warranted.

I think most will agree the time is now to address future QB to replace Schaub.

OL needs improvement but we already knew that spending two picks will help along with continued development of young players.

I'm not sure Casey has a spot. Getting a bigger more talented TE would really help in red zone.

Who is blocking for Foster? Have Texans even used a FB?

oh yeah, TD Posey/Texans

While I agree the speed on the defense needs to be upgraded. This yrs draft should be about finding answers at QB/WR/OL. Keeping the defense off the field would be the best way to help the defense at this point. Of course getting Cushing back will help most of all.

Maybe you draft McCains replacement with the 4th rd pick or so. If an undersized LB with speed to the 5th rd or so take him etc....

The bottom line is that the offense is killing this team and has been virtually ignored (Ecxcluding D.Brown) for far to long. It's time to clean up the ofensive mess. Fortunately this draft is loaded with players that can be upgrades and they can add players in FA depeding on who they want to re-sign/let go. The Texans aren't going to win a SB next yr so atleast fix the offense in the 2013 draft. Then fix the defense in what should be an even deeper defensive draft in 2014. Unless a guy like Jarvis Jones falls to the Texans late in the 1st rd. (Spinal Stenosis/Unlikely)

It's time for BoB/Rick?Gary to step up and make the tough $$$$ calls/ Rick/Gary/Wade to work harder than they ever have to get the best talent possible. If they want to close the gap that currently exists between the Texans and true elite teams like the Pats.

The main difference between the 2 teams today was Brady is light yrs ahead of Schaub and the Pats are much faster on defense.

BTW, Like I said in an above post, your mock would help close the gap between these 2 teams. Great Mock

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

While I agree the speed on the defense needs to be upgraded. This yrs draft should be about finding answers at QB/WR/OL. Keeping the defense off the field would be the best way to help the defense at this point. Of course getting Cushing back will help most of all.

Maybe you draft McCains replacement with the 4th rd pick or so. If an undersized LB with speed to the 5th rd or so take him etc....

The bottom line is that the offense is killing this team and has been virtually ignored (Ecxcluding D.Brown) for far to long. It's time to clean up the ofensive mess. Fortunately this draft is loaded with players that can be upgrades and they can add players in FA depeding on who they want to re-sign/let go. The Texans aren't going to win a SB next yr so atleast fix the offense in the 2013 draft. Then fix the defense in what should be an even deeper defensive draft in 2014. Unless a guy like Jarvis Jones falls to the Texans late in the 1st rd. (Spinal Stenosis/Unlikely)

It's time for BoB/Rick?Gary to step up and make the tough $$$$ calls/ Rick/Gary/Wade to work harder than they ever have to get the best talent possible. If they want to close the gap that currently exists between the Texans and true elite teams like the Pats.

The main difference between the 2 teams today was Brady is light yrs ahead of Schaub and the Pats are much faster on defense.

BTW, Like I said in an above post, your mock would help close the gap between these 2 teams. Great Mock

thanks man.

tough day, about what was expected but not what was hoped would happen.

I think for the Texans to improve besides continued success in free agency & the draft, they need to extract the positives from this experience. Embrace identity of being Houston Texans to work hard & play harder with class.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

thanks man.

tough day, about what was expected but not what was hoped would happen.

I think for the Texans to improve besides continued success in free agency & the draft, they need to extract the positives from this experience. Embrace identity of being Houston Texans to work hard & play harder with class.

Yep

I believe this will happen.

[kiwitexansfan]

Originally Posted by Rey

bray. ...that Saudi

Wow, didn't realise that, he'd draw in the middle eastern market for sure.

[beerlover]

East West Shrine game is this weekend. Here is a write-up of Fauria http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/b...st-shrine-game

5. TE Joseph Fauria, UCLA (6-7, 255, 4.82) – The nephew of 13-year NFL veteran tight end Christian Fauria, Joseph finished 2012 second on the team in catches (46) but led the nation in touchdowns by a tight end with 12. Fauria is a good-sized athlete and looks more like a rocked-up wideout than traditional tight end, giving his quarterback a large target. He needs to improve his focus catching the ball and as a blocker to eliminate the mental errors, but he has progressed some in both areas. A transfer from Notre Dame, Fauria isn't as dominant as his measureables would suggest, but he will be able to help an NFL offense, especially in the red zone.

[Doppelganger]

BL,
I have some thoughts and will share them when I get home from work. I want to take the time and write out a detailed response and need the time which is not afforded to me here at work.

[Doppelganger]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Win or loose this is an exercise to address what I perceive as areas of focus to improve roster for playoff football specifically vs Belichick/Brady Patriot team. The Hoodie finally cashed in his draft picks after trading down yearly to add impact players on defense, Chandler Jones, DE, Dont'a Hightower, ILB, (Texans mock pick pre-draft) Tavon Wilson, FS, Jake Bequette, DE, Nate Ebner, SS & CB Alfonzo Dennard (who I cannot understand why slipped as far as he did). Patriots killed it from defensive standpoint. In prior draft focus was on addressing RB position & OL. Then they traded for Aqib Talib another former first round cornerback who if straight, is a top level corner for basically nothing http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...-cornerback-sb Now Patriots are a complete team, they will probably go back to trading back philosophy, stock pile picks & just try to add playmakers on both side of the ball.

So how do the Texans answer, compete against such a well built, organization with elite leader both on sidelines & in backfield? Rick Smith has done a fine job transitioning Houston from a AFC South doormat into AFC Championship caliber NFL playoff team, winning two games in postseason back to back years, but now the challenge will be taking it to next level. Right or wrong it always comes back to the QB position, yet we don't foresee Kubiak making any drastic changes, however succession planning for position will now be addressed. Matt turned 31 & is in the prime of his career now but in a couple more years when his contract extension he recently signed this past off-season winds down a transition must be made to another signal caller, hopefully polished with enough athletic ability to extend plays longer while still run this offense.

Combine this with fact that 67 underclassman have declared already to come out early, that surpass'es record set last year when 65 juniors and red-shirt sophomores entered the 2012 draft. Texans still hold all their picks for 2013 plus have at least three compensatory picks, maybe four, to address team needs. Additional emphasis on special teams, still looking for plus returner & would consider Bray's teammate Cordarrelle Patterson if available or Texans unwilling to make QB transition now.

First Round: Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee (Jr.) 6050 215

Has raw ability, leadership qualities, strong accurate arm to become Texan next franchise QB. This will benefit Schaub both from motivational aspect to mentoring & extending his career. I think its time to seriously consider the future of this franchise & Texans could use Yates to move up in early round or pick up additional pick. Bra(d)y has measureables that will intrique Texans QB guru/HC Gary Kubiak & shape war room to justify making this investment now.

Second Round: DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson (Jr.) 6000 200

Very productive, 1,405 yards (school record) 18 touchdown catches (ACC record) with a team-high 82 receptions. With depth in this years WR class there will be plus value, given his less than elite size or electric speed he should be available in the 2nd round. Texans have players they can use to trade up or extra picks to use if they really target him & position to upgrade weapons for Schaub & Bray to be more dynamic.

Third Round: David Bakhtiari, OT/OG, Colorado (Jr.) 6040 295

Versatile linemen who fits ZBS, has played RT now LT past two seasons making him at least ideal swing tackle prospect for Texans as Newton establishes himself as the starting RT of the future. Ultimately I see Bakhtari becoming Wade Smith replacement @ LG, similar to Logan Mankins for Patriots.

Third Round Compensatory (Mario Williams): Jelani Jenkins, LB, Florida (Jr.) 6000 237

Edge rusher despite lack of size the target here is combination of speed & pass rushing skills. With added bulk he could also slide inside, played position before for Gators, exceptional sideline to sideline speed. In the mold of Mychal Kendricks (5-11, 239) & Lavonte David (6-1, 233). Before you shoot him down think about possibility next to Cushing? Jenkins was productive in his career. He started 31 games and registered 182 tackles (16.5 behind the line) with six sacks and three picks for UF. Endured multiple injuries this past season, including a broken thumb, a fractured foot and a hamstring injury. He recorded 29 tackles with two sacks and an interception, which is only reason still on the board this late.

Fourth Round: Joseph Fauria, TE, UCLA (rSr.) 6065 255

Currently graded out as a 7th rd. prospect by CBS sports one would think his stock will actually be much higher so upped his slot to sweet spot where Texans typically take a TE, the 4th rd. Texans don't just need TE production to run offense they depend on it to convert 1st downs especially 3rd down situations, but they also continue to struggle in red zones. A bigger TE prospect in the mold of Gronkowski Texans should covet. We will see this Sunday against the Patriots.

Fifth Round: Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia (Jr.) 6054 355

Surprise early declaration into draft following in John Jenkins footsteps literally. Lot of football talent in family, adds physical presence inside, rotational player for jumbo packages. Gives Wade Phillips another tool in his box to compress pocket/running lanes & keep guys legs fresh. In 2012, Geathers played in all 14 games and finished with 40 tackles, including 5.0 tackles for loss and a sack, and one blocked field goal. Valued depth piece @ coveted 3-4 nose tackle position, that is required IMO.

Fifth Round Compensatory (Joel Dreessen): Quinn Sharp, Punter/K, Oklahoma State (Sr.) 6010 205

Lock to supplant a steady but not spectacular Donnie Jones who turn 33 this year but the real kicker (no pun intended) is that his strong leg converted 71 touch backs in 2012 more than any other player in College football. That my friends is a new weapon for special teams warranting selection. This would help also keep Randy Bullock (placed on IR) healthy, fresh & focused on converting his job, converting field goals & extra points.

Fifth Round Compensatory (Mike Briesel): Nigel Malone, CB (Sr.) Kansas State, 5100 185

Great late round value (I know a lot of you want a corner taken earlier) but Nigel can play next level probably more of a nickle CB who is similar to FA to be Brice McCain (taken in 6th rd. 09). 5 int's in 2012 w/51 tackles, 7 int's in 2011 w/58 tackles he is not a one year wonder bringing constant pressure in man coverage & solid tackler in run support despite size.

Sixth Round: Ivory Wade, C/OG, Baylor (Sr.) 6030 310

I'll admit have had fixation with Baylor Center position for past couple years in seeming less never ending stream of NFL quality OL players. Both smart & athletic he has shown improvement every game playing new position, experienced both tackle positions as well displaying excellent versatility & fit in ZBS. By adding two picks on the offensive line who fit Texans will overcome loss previous season along with bad luck injury wise that has wrecked havoc is both passing & running game.

Seventh Round: Brandon Wilson, FB, Kansas State (Sr.) 6035 254

Mel Kipper's top FB prospect is graded as a 7th rd. pick if so Texans should jump on him http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/11...more-than.html Core special teams player who adds depth & lead blocking specialist. He is an old-school player that loves the physical aspect of the game, Vonta Leach is missed.

Seventh Round Compensatory (Jason Allen): John Boyett, FS (Sr.) Oregon, 5100 202

Stashed him here on purpose, missed entire season due to knee surgery to alleviate pain partial tears of both patellar tendons. By training camp he will back to 100% & compete with former teammate Eddie Pleasant helping solidify Texans safety positions. While Eddie defined the term strong safety with his physical style, Boyett is more of a big CB who is a ball hawk. Demonstrated excellent leadership skills & was captain of secondary. Last year Boyett was Oregon's leading tackler with 108, including 3½ for a loss and a sack. He also had an interception, seven pass defenses and two blocked kicks. Improves special teams.
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I know you have obviously worked very hard on this mock and I wanted to provide some feedback.

1. I disagree with your selection of Tyler Bray. I will agree that he has a cannon for an arm, I would not take him in the first. He has a gunslinger mentality which on good days lead to big time plays, but on bad days, leads to INTs and missed passes. I disagree with your assessment of him being an accurate passer. He completed 59% of his passes in 2012, 59% in 2011, and only 55.8% in 2010. Some of those issues may be related to footwork and can be cleaned up. However, the biggest reason I wouldn't take him is his style of play. He is a pocket passer without elusiveness. This is not a guy who can pick up yards on the ground or really even elude passers all that well. He needs a really good, strong OL to give him the time to throw. He basically reminds me of a Byron Leftwich type of player. He would succed best in a place with a monster OL(like Minnesota) where he would have the time to throw and the space to do it. Htown would not be a good place for him due to the smaller, quicker OL Kubes uses.

2. Good selection. Its hard not to like Hopkins. He has decent size, good hands, and good speed. My concern is he may not be here in the second. There are a group of 4 WRs I am looking at in the second: Hopkins, Patterson, Hamilton, and Robert Woods. I would be happy with any of the 4 and I think Htown could get one of them with their second rounder.

3. LOVE the Bakhtiari selection. Spent a fair amount of time in Colorado and still keep up with the Buffs and other Colorado sports programs through friends. Bakhtiari would probably need to move to OG to play in the pros. My only concern is his size. He is only 295lbs. That's small even in the ZBS scheme. Will he be able to handle the big DEs/DTs/NTs in the league? May need to put on some weight. Plus, it suggests you believe in Newton as a starter. Do you believe Newton is the guy? I saw several times when he whiffed hard and Schaub was fortunate not to get killed.

3. I like Jenkins. However, I will ask you, how are his pass defense skills. In my mind, the perfect compliment to Cush is a guy who is a stout run defender and can play the pass. This would allow Cush the freedom to roam around. I don't know enough about Jenkins' ability to guard the pass. Please let me know what you think.

4. I really like Fauria. Problem is, I like him too much and see him as a second rounder not a 4th (and certainly not a 7th). If he is here in the 4th, i'd grab him.

5. I really like Kwame Geathers. He represents big time value. I actually have him as a 4th rounder in the mock I am currently working on, becuase I think he will be taken late 4th/early 5th. Still a great selection.

5. LOVE Quinn Sharp. We have agreed on this one for awhile.

5. You have a third 5? Wow. I was only projecting two and i thought I was being generous. I don't know much about him, but I like the idea of getting a better slot corner. With the amount of times Wade like to play Dime, having an extra slot CB roaming around can only help.

6. I know you love your Baylor OG/OC combo players! But, they have all been good ones. Blake, Watkins, and Walton have all been quality prospects. But, Wade may just be the best of the bunch. Love the idea and the selection.

7. YES! Thank you. I know the old school type of FBs are leaving the game and they may eventually end up getting legislated out of the game due to head injuries, but man do I miss the old school FB who would bust a hole in the DL! Nothing against Casey but he is not a Leach. The Texans run game has suffered since Leach left town and Ray Rice's game has picked up.

7. I gotta be honest I completely forgot about him. Missing an entire season will do that. What a selection though! I think Glover Quinn is not resigned and Eddie Pleasant replaces him. Boyett starts as a special teams monster and may even be able to get in at Safety down the line.

As usual an excellent draft. Only real issue is with Bray as outlined above. Other than that, excellent work as usual!!!

[WolverineFan]

Jenkins is very good in coverage. Has great speed and athleticism. I question his ability to be a run stuffer in a 3-4 though. I still have images of A&M's Ben Malena trucking him in the UF/A&M game. I don't like him in a 3-4. Could be a good WLB in a 4-3 like Kendricks was as a rookie in Philly.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by Doppelganger

I know you have obviously worked very hard on this mock and I wanted to provide some feedback.

1. I disagree with your selection of Tyler Bray. I will agree that he has a cannon for an arm, I would not take him in the first. He has a gunslinger mentality which on good days lead to big time plays, but on bad days, leads to INTs and missed passes. I disagree with your assessment of him being an accurate passer. He completed 59% of his passes in 2012, 59% in 2011, and only 55.8% in 2010. Some of those issues may be related to footwork and can be cleaned up. However, the biggest reason I wouldn't take him is his style of play. He is a pocket passer without elusiveness. This is not a guy who can pick up yards on the ground or really even elude passers all that well. He needs a really good, strong OL to give him the time to throw. He basically reminds me of a Byron Leftwich type of player. He would succed best in a place with a monster OL(like Minnesota) where he would have the time to throw and the space to do it. Htown would not be a good place for him due to the smaller, quicker OL Kubes uses.

2. Good selection. Its hard not to like Hopkins. He has decent size, good hands, and good speed. My concern is he may not be here in the second. There are a group of 4 WRs I am looking at in the second: Hopkins, Patterson, Hamilton, and Robert Woods. I would be happy with any of the 4 and I think Htown could get one of them with their second rounder.

3. LOVE the Bakhtiari selection. Spent a fair amount of time in Colorado and still keep up with the Buffs and other Colorado sports programs through friends. Bakhtiari would probably need to move to OG to play in the pros. My only concern is his size. He is only 295lbs. That's small even in the ZBS scheme. Will he be able to handle the big DEs/DTs/NTs in the league? May need to put on some weight. Plus, it suggests you believe in Newton as a starter. Do you believe Newton is the guy? I saw several times when he whiffed hard and Schaub was fortunate not to get killed.

3. I like Jenkins. However, I will ask you, how are his pass defense skills. In my mind, the perfect compliment to Cush is a guy who is a stout run defender and can play the pass. This would allow Cush the freedom to roam around. I don't know enough about Jenkins' ability to guard the pass. Please let me know what you think.

4. I really like Fauria. Problem is, I like him too much and see him as a second rounder not a 4th (and certainly not a 7th). If he is here in the 4th, i'd grab him.

5. I really like Kwame Geathers. He represents big time value. I actually have him as a 4th rounder in the mock I am currently working on, becuase I think he will be taken late 4th/early 5th. Still a great selection.

5. LOVE Quinn Sharp. We have agreed on this one for awhile.

5. You have a third 5? Wow. I was only projecting two and i thought I was being generous. I don't know much about him, but I like the idea of getting a better slot corner. With the amount of times Wade like to play Dime, having an extra slot CB roaming around can only help.

6. I know you love your Baylor OG/OC combo players! But, they have all been good ones. Blake, Watkins, and Walton have all been quality prospects. But, Wade may just be the best of the bunch. Love the idea and the selection.

7. YES! Thank you. I know the old school type of FBs are leaving the game and they may eventually end up getting legislated out of the game due to head injuries, but man do I miss the old school FB who would bust a hole in the DL! Nothing against Casey but he is not a Leach. The Texans run game has suffered since Leach left town and Ray Rice's game has picked up.

7. I gotta be honest I completely forgot about him. Missing an entire season will do that. What a selection though! I think Glover Quinn is not resigned and Eddie Pleasant replaces him. Boyett starts as a special teams monster and may even be able to get in at Safety down the line.

As usual an excellent draft. Only real issue is with Bray as outlined above. Other than that, excellent work as usual!!!

Thank you so much for your time & feedback.

The reason I went Bray was exactly as you stated a pocket QB & I like his gunslinger mentality or willingness to throw the deep ball. Something Texans need more of. Also not meant to be inditement of Schaub just an understudy who could quickly pick up the system. As stated I view him as a plus prospect coming out of College in comparison to when Matt came out. The transition & system would not need to be changed except to be more aggressive. Good stuff, again thanks!

[WolverineFan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Thank you so much for your time & feedback.

The reason I went Bray was exactly as you stated a pocket QB & I like his gunslinger mentality or willingness to throw the deep ball. Something Texans need more of. Also not meant to be inditement of Schaub just an understudy who could quickly pick up the system. As stated I view him as a plus prospect coming out of College in comparison to when Matt came out. The transition & system would not need to be changed except to be more aggressive. Good stuff, again thanks!

Bray has all the physical talent but he was notorious at Tennessee for having a bad attitude and a poor work ethic. Sometimes those things are fixable. Sometimes they are not.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by WolverineFan

Bray has all the physical talent but he was notorious at Tennessee for having a bad attitude and a poor work ethic. Sometimes those things are fixable. Sometimes they are not.

Do you have a link?

Just from listening to Andre Ware this guy glows positive charisma.

[leebigeztx]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I still think it's too early to start looking for Matt's replacement, especially with the climate in Houston, regarding Matt Schaub. Now's not a good time to spend a first or a second on a QB.

I think Kubiak has a system, a system that can win games with David Carr or Sage Rosenfels. If something were to happen to Matt & the back up has to go in, I don't think our season is lost with a Tj Yates or Case Keenum. Been there, done that.

I'd rather spend that first rounder on an Andre Johnson replacement, or a Wade Smith replacement, or a Kevin Walter replacement.

Take an Atlanta Falcons' approach & give the QB more weapons....... Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, Lloyd, etc...

I agree. They need another impact player on offemse. They can keep schaub and get better until the guy they want pops up. If terrance williams is tnere, I think u draft him.

[WolverineFan]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Do you have a link?

Just from listening to Andre Ware this guy glows positive charisma.

No link, just things I've heard over the years. He pissed off a lot of upperclassmen with his attitude as a youngster and Dooley let him get off with a lot of misbehaving. He played horrible against Alabama this year and refused to meet with reporters after the game. Most Vols fans are sad to see him go because they are losing so much talent early this year but a lot of them are also happy to see his attitude off the team. I'm pretty sure he also had some legal trouble although wasn't arrested FWIW. Most of the current SEC refers to him as Cutler Jr. because of his arrogant behavior.