Eli Manning vs Matt Schaub

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by PapaL

Swapping 1st and two 2nds isn't so-so guy trade material. He was acquired to be the franchise QB HWSNBN'd was not.

Schaub was the equivalent of a 23rd pick.
We talked about this at the time.
At least we offered a solution that actually became a reality.

[PapaL]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Schaub was the equivalent of a 23rd pick.
We talked about this at the time.
At least we offered a solution that actually became a reality.

Late 1st Round QBs (picks 20+) in the last 10 years:
Rodgers, Weedon, Tebow, Quinn, Campbell, Losman, Grossman

Well then...I'll be quiet now.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

By no means am I saying it doesn't happen. In fact, I agree some of the great QBs are famous for it. But I think what makes them famous for it is doing it at critical times, elevating their team when they are playing another great team. Staubach and the hail mary situations. I'm guess what I am saying is I would like an additional stat added for perspective - number of opportunities and % successfully done.

now youre talkin.

[Textan]

Texans would be unstoppable with an elite QB.
Look back 20 some odd years at the SB winners and very few didn't have elite QB's.
It's the only link now missing from this Texans team.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Textan

Texans would be unstoppable with an elite QB.
Look back 20 some odd years at the SB winners and very few didn't have elite QB's.
It's the only link now missing from this Texans team.

Yeah, but a lot of elite QBs got knocked out by lesser QBs all the time in the play-offs.

Forehead lost 7 times in the Colts first play-offs games (either the Wild Card or divisional round).

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Textan

Texans would be unstoppable with an elite QB.
Look back 20 some odd years at the SB winners and very few didn't have elite QB's.
It's the only link now missing from this Texans team.

Not disagreeing so much with your overall point but I guess it depends on what you are calling elite - maybe it would better be expressed as top 10 QB. When we have had numerous discussions of elite around here I think there are 4 consensus picks - Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers.

There are a lot of guys in that 20 years who with a similar examination were considered non-elite when they won the SB. For instance in recent years Eli and Big Ben have 4 rings. I loved Aikman but he wasn't generally considered elite at the time - more really freaking efficient and accurate. Elway was certainly overall an elite QB but was well past his prime when he got his two. Know how many TD's he threw in them combined? - 1 (which by the way is the same number Big Ben threw in his 2). There is some chicken and egg here as well - folks start talking about you as elite because you win the SB.

[76Texan]

And then there were the two famous HOF Dans.

Neither Marino, nor Foutts went to the SB.

In fact, both had losing record in the play-offs.
Both lost their first games multiple times.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

And then there were the two famous HOF Dans.

Neither Marino, nor Foutts went to the SB.

In fact, both had losing record in the play-offs.
Both lost their first games multiple times.

Marino played in Super Bowl XIX.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Marino played in Super Bowl XIX.

My bad, Mr Marino who threw for two INT's.

[thunderkyss]

I'd take Eli Manning a hundred times over Schaub, because he's done what Schaub hasn't. Stepped up big time in big games.

Sure, he's laid some stinkers..... if the above statement were true, he'd have his team in the play-offs right now, but he don't. But it's a fact that Manning has stepped up when his team needed him more times than Matt.

The biggest reason, may be because Eli's team has been in more of those big games. Schaub has been in what? Two? I may be mistaken, but I don't think he stepped up in them.

I think we're about to find out who Matt is.

I never really cared for Eli... brother of the GOAT, never live up to those expectations. But I saw one game where he was down in the 4th qtr, he was sacked 6 times. But he still brought his team back for the win.

Then when he won two Super Bowl MVPs.... not because he's as precise or efficient as Peyton, not because he's as calm & poised under pressure as Brady, but because he's got an iron jaw & kept fighting. He took a beating but managed to win the fight.

If we win the Super Bowl, because Schaub looked like Trent Dilfer, I think it will be accurately reflected across the nation, not so much in Houston. If he wins the Super Bowl looking like Eli Manning (he's not going to look like Brady), same thing.

[Texan_Touchdown]

Originally Posted by klockWork

Schaub has an under-rated arm. His problem is mechanics. He rarely step into his throw. The reason he don't step into his throw is in his mind that's one step closer to getting hit. Only time he does this is on rollout PA when half the defense is on the other side of the field biting on a run.

I could have told you that buddy. but I think you agree with me with the fact that, in the pocket he just flat out can't get the ball down 40 yards..

[Texan_Touchdown]

Marino was great player but he didn't have that X factor that Montana had in making players around him great. Brady has it, Peyton has it.. Schuab does not. But lets hope he does his part and plays a good game, 65-75%, 2:1, 1:0 ratio, and a lot of TOP. that's who he is. that's our QB next year guys

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Texan_Touchdown

I could have told you that buddy. but I think you agree with me with the fact that, in the pocket he just flat out can't get the ball down 40 yards..

That just flat not true. Schaub hit AJ with a ball that went 53 yds in the air earlier this year. His arm strength is not great but this is over stated.