Eli Manning vs Matt Schaub

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by gtexan02

Wow is that true? If so that's incredible

I just tripled-checked.

The two games where the opponent scored 20, we scored 17.

One game was against Peyton.

Schaub threw for over 300 yards both times.

[klockWork]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Schaub is undefeated when the opponents score fewer than 20 points.

"So you're saying there's a chance."

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by klockWork

"So you're saying there's a chance."

Eli got the chances when his D limited the opponents to 14 and 17.

[CloakNNNdagger]

You might want to take a look at what would be considered to be QB "clutch factor" stats submitted by PROFOOTBALLREFENCE.com......pretty interesting (also click on "View complete leaderboards for game-winning drives and comebacks" within this link):

Matt Schaub's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives

This link will give supplementary explanatory info to the stats obtained above:

Quarterbacks and fourth quarter comebacks, Part I
Posted by Doug on August 6, 2009 [follow the links to Part II and Part III]

[Hookem Horns]

Both look like dorks but the comparison stops there. C'mon.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

You might want to take a look at what would be considered to be QB "clutch factor" stats submitted by PROFOOTBALLREFENCE.com......pretty interesting (also click on "View complete leaderboards for game-winning drives and comebacks" within this link):

Matt Schaub's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives

This link will give supplementary explanatory info to the stats obtained above:

Quarterbacks and fourth quarter comebacks, Part I
Posted by Doug on August 6, 2009 [follow the links to Part II and Part III]

Not speaking to Schaub specifically here. Game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks are odd stats. Great teams often with great QBs are rarely in a position to need them while bad teams have a lot more opportunities. It's kind of like great CBs - their stats often suck because people don't throw at them as much.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by klockWork

Schaub has an under-rated arm. His problem is mechanics. He rarely step into his throw. The reason he don't step into his throw is in his mind that's one step closer to getting hit. Only time he does this is on rollout PA when half the defense is on the other side of the field biting on a run.

The same reason he can't take a quick step into the pocket to avoid a rush..........his push-off back (right) foot can't take it.

To run to the right, you push off your left foot. To take it to the left, you need to push off your right foot. I'll just ask this question......when's the last time you saw Schaub run a play action to the left? You think someone like Belichick hasn't noticed?

[C Madd]

Originally Posted by Thorn

Both Mannings > Schaub by a very wide margin

Yeah, well at least they both look way goofier than Ma...oh wait.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Not speaking to Schaub specifically here. Game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks are odd stats. Great teams often with great QBs are rarely in a position to need them while bad teams have a lot more opportunities. It's kind of like great CBs - their stats often suck because people don't throw at them as much.

I'm not sure how much I agree with your premise, or at least in whole. Think of the historically great Captain Comebacks in the NFL: Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, John Elway, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning...all these guys were great QBs on great teams, and I'm pretty sure these five are high on the list of most come from behind victories in the 4th quarter and/or two minute warning.

Now, of course, you can most likely find some QBs that fit your criteria. But overall, when I think of the greatest comeback QBs, those names above are what come to my mind. Someone like Dan Marino probably comes up, as I think he holds the record for most 4th quarter comebacks, iirc. His teams were good, but never great.

[Lucky]

Let's not start threads comparing Schaub to every QB in the NFL. Pointless.

[iLoveTexans]

Who's the guy arguing about this? Honestly they have way different play styles imo..

[PapaL]

One guy looks like he has Down Syndrome, the other plays like he has Down Syndrome.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by iLoveTexans

Who's the guy arguing about this?

Probably Fiddler's alter ego.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I'm not sure how much I agree with your premise, or at least in whole. Think of the historically great Captain Comebacks in the NFL: Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, John Elway, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning...all these guys were great QBs on great teams, and I'm pretty sure these five are high on the list of most come from behind victories in the 4th quarter and/or two minute warning.

Now, of course, you can most likely find some QBs that fit your criteria. But overall, when I think of the greatest comeback QBs, those names above are what come to my mind. Someone like Dan Marino probably comes up, as I think he holds the record for most 4th quarter comebacks, iirc. His teams were good, but never great.

By no means am I saying it doesn't happen. In fact, I agree some of the great QBs are famous for it. But I think what makes them famous for it is doing it at critical times, elevating their team when they are playing another great team. Staubach and the hail mary situations. I'm guess what I am saying is I would like an additional stat added for perspective - number of opportunities and % successfully done.

[Big Lou]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Not even close....

Eli>Schaub

But Flacco is elite according to the Flacco Gazette........

[76Texan]

Why do we have to go to the excess; Eli was drafted to be a franchise QB.

Schaub was brought in to be one of many pieces on the team.

It's crazy when people put too much expectation on a so-so guy just so they can blame him.

[Big Lou]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Schaub is undefeated when the opponents score fewer than 20 points.

Shaub is undefeated in the post season. He's unstoppable............ J/K

Let's send Shaub some positive energy!!!

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

lol! Eli was the Super Bowl MVP of BOTH of those games.

Yeah, he wasn't the reason..

p.s. only FIVE QBs in NFL history have won two SB MVP awards. Three are already in the HoF, one is Brady, and the other is Eli.

Meh...

Point: (those diminishing Eli's "greatness".)
"It took an incredible catch by Tyree for the Giants to continue the drive....."

Counterpoint: (those that think Eli is was "lucky"), those that underestimate Eli's "greatness" forget what he avoided to even launch that pass to Tyree!


*"greatness" = in that particular moment.

*EDIT*

With a very flacid enthusiasm, go texans!

[PapaL]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Why do we have to go to the excess; Eli was drafted to be a franchise QB.

Schaub was brought in to be one of many pieces on the team.

It's crazy when people put too much expectation on a so-so guy just so they can blame him.

Swapping 1st and two 2nds isn't so-so guy trade material. He was acquired to be the franchise QB HWSNBN'd was not.

[PapaL]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Meh...

Point: (those diminishing Eli's "greatness".)
"It took an incredible catch by Tyree for the Giants to continue the drive....."

Counterpoint: (those that think Eli is was "lucky"), those that underestimate Eli's "greatness" forget what he avoided to even launch that pass to Tyree!


*"greatness" = in that particular moment.

*EDIT*

With a very flacid enthusiasm, go texans!

huh huh...he said flaccid.