The Film Room: Why The Patriots Should Be So Very, Very Afraid Of The Texans

[Tailgate]

Originally Posted by powda

Can we get a mod to edit the thread title? Fim room is killin me.

Lol, my bad.

[GRONKED]

The Texans have a shot here..but lol!

Plz stop glorifying the Bengal performance.

Schaubs play? Dominant arian? If you kick a couple of fgs..and throw that pick 6 in Foxboro, youll be down 20 plus by halftime. the exact same effort that resulted in a w at home vs Bengal would not cut it @ Foxboro.

Imo the establish foster and keep Brady off the field recipe is easy-too easy. Just like in the first game, bb will make that very difficult. If kubiak comes out w that gameplan...itll get ugly.
We have a top rush d. Yes, you can have similar success to that you had vs cincy. But do the math--that requires your d to shut down Brady all day. Gluck w that.

If schaub comes out slingin and hits some big plays, its anyones game. Our pass d is improving but average at best. If schaub brings his a game he can have a big day vs our secondary. Playing conservative or not to lose is the surest way to end up w a l imo.

[Tailgate]

Originally Posted by GRONKED

The Texans have a shot here..but lol!

Plz stop glorifying the Bengal performance.

Schaubs play? Dominant arian? If you kick a couple of fgs..and throw that pick 6 in Foxboro, youll be down 20 plus by halftime. the exact same effort that resulted in a w at home vs Bengal would not cut it @ Foxboro.

Imo the establish foster and keep Brady off the field recipe is easy-too easy. Just like in the first game, bb will make that very difficult. If kubiak comes out w that gameplan...itll get ugly.
We have a top rush d. Yes, you can have similar success to that you had vs cincy. But do the math--that requires your d to shut down Brady all day. Gluck w that.

If schaub comes out slingin and hits some big plays, its anyones game. Our pass d is improving but average at best. If schaub brings his a game he can have a big day vs our secondary. Playing conservative or not to lose is the surest way to end up w a l imo.

Did you even read it?

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

1.More 4-5 reciever sets.
2.stop running on 2nd and long.
3.take shots down the field.
4.play ben tate.
5.stop playing offensive players on special team defense. take out posey and forsett and put defensive starters in. its not like we can afford to be lax on special teams defense considering we already suck.
6.go back to a play that worked earlier in the game.
7.call plays for keyshawn, lestar, casey.
8.use more sugar huddle.
9.use the middle of the field passing plays instead of side line throws.
10.for the love of god use more screen plays for foster.

Which is the exact opposite of what the article is suggesting.


Also, the author of said article did a piece before the Bengals game claiming our TEs would have a field day and that Maualuga was there to be abused in the passing game. I'd say he was pretty much spot on.

[BullBlitz]

No one seems to be considering the possibility that the Patriots could beat us even worse than they did on December 10th. It's possible. They have Gronkowski back and we are down to Barrett Ruud at MLB.

[GRONKED]

Ok, took the time to read the whole article. Some good thoughts and valid points that I agree w.

Some issues...

Rule 1 , about not running at wilfork...obv agree. That said, author is oversimplifying a bit. Citing the two outside runs as evidence that you can just do that all day is weak. Once the pats establish that youre afraid to run up the middle, they can cheat a lil and make getting to the outside impossible. Weve faced several good rushers...rayrice and cj2k this year.. e.rarely get exploited there. Using the fact that graham wasn't there as an excuse as to why Houston only ran outside a couple times is a reach.

Rule 2 about using our own system against us...good ideas and will work sometimes...but sounded a little like hes reinventing the wheel. If you continually exploit a weakness in our defense, we will adjust.

Rule 3, same deal. Its not that easy. Fact is schaub wasn't seeing the whole field and making good decisions...and thats what has to change. Foster will not be wide open all game ..defense would quickly adjust. Those snapshots show me more of a problem than solution tbh. Schaub has to go thru his progressions.

All in all..how can you write an article so detailed and not touch on how youre gonna slow Brady down? If he had to, Brady coulda had us in the 50s or 60s...no offensive adjustments woulda changed the outcome then.

[gtexan02]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

This article gives me more reason to wonder why we've gotten away from Foster in the passing game this season. I know we got him involved against the Bengals, but why so late? The dude can run, make people miss and get an extra yard or plenty after contact. Feed him!!!

Seems like the past few games Schaub forces the ball to AJ when his "timer" starts going off instead of looking for Arian

Would you believe Foster got almost 60 targets in the pass game this season? For comparison, he was targeted about 70 times last year. This season he had 200 yards receiving. Last year 600. He's not effective as a receiver, either bc of something up with him, because we're using him too heavily in the run game, or bc of the playcalls

[rush2112mn]

It was a murphys law game if you ask me.....what could go wrong....did go wrong......
I think Sunday will be a evenly balanced game for the Texans. If the Texans can get a lead.......I think the Texans can play keep away from Brady.....

I think if the Texans can get some of those short passes to Foster...and make those defensive line players for Patriots have to run more....by the 4th quarter..they will be tired......

Also, hopefully, the Texans will have Garrett Graham back ....and Newton and Brooks on the right side.......
It all goes back to the line of scrimmage...whoever controls it is going to win the game.....plain and simple.......

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by GRONKED

Ok, took the time to read the whole article. Some good thoughts and valid points that I agree w.

Some issues...

Rule 1 , about not running at wilfork...obv agree. That said, author is oversimplifying a bit. Citing the two outside runs as evidence that you can just do that all day is weak. Once the pats establish that youre afraid to run up the middle, they can cheat a lil and make getting to the outside impossible. Weve faced several good rushers...rayrice and cj2k this year.. e.rarely get exploited there. Using the fact that graham wasn't there as an excuse as to why Houston only ran outside a couple times is a reach.

Rule 2 about using our own system against us...good ideas and will work sometimes...but sounded a little like hes reinventing the wheel. If you continually exploit a weakness in our defense, we will adjust.

Rule 3, same deal. Its not that easy. Fact is schaub wasn't seeing the whole field and making good decisions...and thats what has to change. Foster will not be wide open all game ..defense would quickly adjust. Those snapshots show me more of a problem than solution tbh. Schaub has to go thru his progressions.

All in all..how can you write an article so detailed and not touch on how youre gonna slow Brady down? If he had to, Brady coulda had us in the 50s or 60s...no offensive adjustments woulda changed the outcome then.

I believe that the article was written as "Ways that are possible to attack the Patriots" and less of a general overview of the whole game.

[417Texan]

Originally Posted by Mailman

Excellent point, Fiddler. I hadn't thought of that but you are correct. The Texans have won a bunch of games the last two seasons and advanced to the AFC Divisional playoff yet so many are acting as if the Texans are a 9-win team that backed into the playoffs and have no business being on the same field with the big bad Pats.

I call bull****. They have the talent to beat this Pats team.

Texans have tons of talent to put a ass whipp on Pats.

[coltfan123]

Texans have the talen to beat the pats but they have lil room for error..plus if texans win and broncos lose...the afc championship is played in houston.. I think the biggest factor can kubiak get past himself and play aggresive? texans got the talent but i question there coaching staff..

[GRONKED]

Originally Posted by b0ng

I believe that the article was written as "Ways that are possible to attack the Patriots" and less of a general overview of the whole game.

Idk..reread the intro (game should have went Texans way) and conclusion (next one will--Texans win). Sounds like he thinks hes posted the solution to the pats.

If Texans are to make this a game or win it...adjustments have to be on the d side of the ball. Jj watt has to wreak havoc like only he can. Wade has to confuse brady into some mistakes.

Every decent offense can put up pts on the pats--this guy didn't reveal anything. Even if the tex put up 30 on sunday theyll still get blown out if they dont show up on d again.

[MEGA SWATT]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Damn, that looks so real.

that's because it is

The Texans have to play disciplined, and poised - like they've been there before (because they have).

I can see the Texans moving the ball downfield and scoring on them in an opening drive and getting their attention. Then our D gets all nasty and pressures TB.

They can't make the ticky-tack penalties on O or D that stop our drives or prolong theirs.

Can you imagine if the Ravens beat the Broncos - how much more energized the Texans will play...

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by b0ng

I posted his breakdown on the Bengal game and he hilighted Malaluaga as a potential achilles heel to the Bengals. Lo and behold, that player was picked on regularly in the WC game after that piece was written. It's not a bad read and I wondered what our newfound Pats members thought about it.

Most of them appreciate the breakdown of their defense & found much of it scary accurate.

The consensus seems to be that they don't believe the Texans can play the perfect game the author suggests.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

The other receivers (after AJ and Walter) need to step up.
They need to reduce the number of drops ; they need to play more physical not to let their man push them around; they need to run their routes better and not falling down, getting caught in the back of the defender, or giving the QB a little more room along the sideline, etc.

I think this answers his question.

We haven't been featuring Foster in the run game, because we've been trying to work everyone in from Graham to Casey to LeStar, Martin, & Posey.

There's only so many balls to go around.

[MEGA SWATT]

Originally Posted by GRONKED

The Texans have a shot here..but lol!

Plz stop glorifying the Bengal performance.

Schaubs play? Dominant arian? If you kick a couple of fgs..and throw that pick 6 in Foxboro, youll be down 20 plus by halftime. the exact same effort that resulted in a w at home vs Bengal would not cut it @ Foxboro.Imo the establish foster and keep Brady off the field recipe is easy-too easy. Just like in the first game, bb will make that very difficult. If kubiak comes out w that gameplan...itll get ugly.
We have a top rush d. Yes, you can have similar success to that you had vs cincy. But do the math--that requires your d to shut down Brady all day. Gluck w that.

If schaub comes out slingin and hits some big plays, its anyones game. Our pass d is improving but average at best. If schaub brings his a game he can have a big day vs our secondary. Playing conservative or not to lose is the surest way to end up w a l imo.

You're just as guilty by extrapolating our future play next Sunday based on the Texans last game vs. the BenGals. I like that the Pats are feeling pretty high on themselves.

[Pats]

Originally Posted by 417Texan

Texans have tons of talent to put a ass whipp on Pats.

Where?

Not at TE,QB,HC,NT and WR. Rildley, Woodhead and Bolden are a formidable group of RBs.

[MEGA SWATT]

Originally Posted by Pats

Where?

Not at TE,QB,HC,NT and WR. Rildley, Woodhead and Bolden are a formidable group of RBs.

I hope the pats are as dismissive as some of their fans.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GRONKED

Idk..reread the intro (game should have went Texans way) and conclusion (next one will--Texans win). Sounds like he thinks hes posted the solution to the pats.

If Texans are to make this a game or win it...adjustments have to be on the d side of the ball. Jj watt has to wreak havoc like only he can. Wade has to confuse brady into some mistakes.

Every decent offense can put up pts on the pats--this guy didn't reveal anything. Even if the tex put up 30 on sunday theyll still get blown out if they dont show up on d again.

Three things that are much improved on the defensive side of the ball are:

1. Jjo is healthy
   
   Johnathan Joseph played in the last game, but it was his first game back from injury. He shouldn't have played. He's a gambler, baits the throw. Back in December, he couldn't "make-up" ground. Now, he'll be able to get back to the receiver & make a play on the ball.
   
   Jjo being healthy will free up our safeties and LBs to gang bang Gronk.
   
2. Brandon Harris is salted
   
   He was a penalty machine. He was wide-eyed & full of energy. Now, he's settled down a bit. He's a very athletic, physical, cover corner who will play the slot. He's a big play waiting to happen.
   
3. We know who our ILBs are going to be
   
   This will be the first time since week 6 that we will start the same pair of ILBs since week 6. Reggie Herring & Wade Smith does a good job of getting them prepared. Had they not been playing musical chairs (due to injury) we can at least count on some consistency from the position. If the rest of the defense knows what to expect from their ILBs, they'll be able to adjust & compensate.
   

The defense is only part of the equation. Jj Watt & the boys are pretty good, but the possibility for Brady to score is always there. Our best defense will be our offense.

We failed woefully in December & little of what we saw from the Bengals' game will translate. Lots of questions on the offense to be sure, but those are the cards we've been dealt.

However, being that we haven't seen our best offense in quite a while, BB really won't know what to expect till Sunday.

[Pats]

Originally Posted by MEGA SWATT

I hope the pats are as dismissive as some of their fans.

I hope the Texans think theyre going to roll over NE.