All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[ThaShark316]

I had two plays in mind when it came to Schaub when I re-watched the 1st half: The Pick-6 and the dropped TD by Andre (or bad throw by Schaub, depending on who you ask...lol)

Pick-6:

As Schaub dropped back, Schaub had to have thought that Leon Hall would drop further back and cover Dre (zone). Hall stayed home because of a similar route ran by Graham on the Texans previous drive, right before the 6 yard pass to Walter on 3rd down and 8, leading up to the FG.

Schaub was late as all hell with that throw. He probably thought "just get the first down, and keep the chains moving". He had Walter open on a Smash near the sideline. Not sure if he didn't trust his arm to get it there, or (and this is my opinion) he just didn't want to be a hero and get the - in his mind - the easy 1st down. Terrible, terrible decision.

Near-TD, where Dre got his hands on the ball:

Two words: Got. DAMMIT!!!

Andre Johnson, the baddest man alive, absolutely MANHANDLES Adam Jones on this play. Jones, bless his heart, tried to bump Dre at the line, got worked by 80 with relative ease. All that's left is the route. Finish this, and we got a touchdown! NO MORE FGS!

What happened was Dre barely getting a hand on Schaub's throw. Now, you COULD say Schaub made a bad throw. Your prerogative. To me, in no way is that on Schaub. I'm critical of Schaub when he needs to be criticized. I WILL, however, have to put this on Andre a little bit. Why? Because has to straighten that route. If you look where Dre had his hands on the ball, that's where Schaub thought he would be. Maybe, that was the job of Jones; get Andre off his route JUST ENOUGH to disrupt the timing. That said, Mr. Waka-waka-waka got clowned at the line, allowing for practically a free release.

If Andre finishes that route in front of the plane of the goal line, not in the end zone, turning an out route into damn near an outside slant, it's an easy TD.

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

boooooo.


Yea lets not compare matt schaub to great qbs. lets compare him to joe flacoo and tony romo.

smdh....

Houstonians need to get off this path to perpetual mediocrity.


Why can we expect schaub to be as great as the other qbs?

even more important,

Why cant we start planning to draft and look for the qb of the future while schaub plays out his contract?

Why would that be so bad?

Because he is not as good as those other qb's. Same way those teams can't expect their defensive lineman to be as good as Watt. There is no reason we can't start looking to draft another qb. I'm not sure anyone has said we should'nt.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Surreal McCoy

Wow, and here I was thinking games consisted of more than one play? Why bother with the other 3+ hours if we can determine the winner in 10 seconds?

Because Goodell needs the rest of that time to sell the commercials

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ThaShark316

Pick-6:

Schaub was late as all hell with that throw. He probably thought "just get the first down, and keep the chains moving". He had Walter open on a Smash near the sideline. Not sure if he didn't trust his arm to get it there, or (and this is my opinion) he just didn't want to be a hero and get the - in his mind - the easy 1st down. Terrible, terrible decision.

After listening to the Matt Schaub show & watching it again, I think it's clear that he was concerned about their pass rush. It was their staple coming into the game. They were supposed to be badd-as5es, but our OL stepped up. Anyway, Matt didn't wait for his routes to develop (understandable, thinking about the pass rush) took his first/second read & delivered the ball.

That one was still late. Had the ball come out on time, Hall wouldn't have been able to react.

Originally Posted by ThaShark316

Near-TD, where Dre got his hands on the ball:

Andre Johnson, the baddest man alive...

Now, you COULD say Schaub made a bad throw. Your prerogative. To me, in no way is that on Schaub. I'm critical of Schaub when he needs to be criticized.

I agree. This game isn't played on paper, or internet message boards. There's another team out there trying to stop us from doing what we want to do. There was a DT flashing in front of Schaub, hands up. Schaub had to adjust that throw. Had he been more athletic he could have bought more time, & made a better throw, but as is he got the ball in a catchable location. All we can really ask for.

Andre, same thing. He's got that troll on his back & he has to adjust to the ball. He didn't, no big deal. Take the three.

The only problem in this game, is that we never had a better chance to score a TD (other than the TD we scored).

[dream_team]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

boooooo.


Yea lets not compare matt schaub to great qbs. lets compare him to joe flacoo and tony romo.

smdh....

Houstonians need to get off this path to perpetual mediocrity.


Why can we expect schaub to be as great as the other qbs?

even more important,

Why cant we start planning to draft and look for the qb of the future while schaub plays out his contract?

Why would that be so bad?

We can't expect Schaub to be as great as other qbs because he doesn't have the tools to be great, plain & simple. He'll never be in the league of the Brady, Manning, Brees & Rodgers. It's like complaining that Antonio Smith isn't as good as Watt. Smith is a good player in his own right, but he just doesn't have the physical tools that Watt has and will never be as good as he is.

The question we need to ask ourselves is Schaub good enough to take us to a Super Bowl championship. I think he is, but of course, he needs help. He isn't a tier 1 guy that can carry his team on his back... he needs the defense to make stops, he'll need receivers to make plays, he'll need good protection from the OL.

I have no qualms with drafting a QB for the future. I don't think anyone in here would argue against that. But with where we're picking, the odds of finding a QB stud aren't in our favor.

[klockWork]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

After listening to the Matt Schaub show & watching it again, I think it's clear that he was concerned about their pass rush. It was their staple coming into the game. They were supposed to be badd-as5es, but our OL stepped up. Anyway, Matt didn't wait for his routes to develop (understandable, ) took his first/second read & delivered the ball.

It's understandable,thinking about the pass rush? Not letting his route develop because he's thinking about the pass rush is understandable? You just describe the hallmark of a bad QB with that statement. Not letting the route develop and throwing a pick 6 because there was a lineman in his grill is at least more understandable. But throwing a pick 6 on a play your TE AND RB stayed back to help protect against a 4 man rush is not understandable. If there was a play to take that extra time to make an intelligent read and throw IT was that play!

What good is a QB in this league if he can't distinguish good protection versus bad protection? Unbelievable. In our 10 years of existence we have yet to acquire a QB with decent pocket-instinct and awareness.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by klockWork

It's understandable,thinking about the pass rush? Not letting his route develop because he's thinking about the pass rush is understandable? You just describe the hallmark of a bad QB with that statement. Not letting the route develop and throwing a pick 6 because there was a lineman in his grill is at least more understandable. But throwing a pick 6 on a play your TE AND RB stayed back to help protect against a 4 man rush is not understandable. If there was a play to take that extra time to make an intelligent read and throw IT was that play!

What good is a QB in this league if he can't distinguish good protection versus bad protection? Unbelievable. In our 10 years of existence we have yet to acquire a QB with decent pocket-instinct and awareness.

Yeah, you can look at it that way.

But I'm sure it's situational, and it's not like he was just trying to get the ball out of his hands. He said he was aware of their pass rush. If his first read was open, he took it. The other routes just didn't develop.

Totally different from hurrying a throw.

Brady does it better, but it's the same thing Brady is doing that allows him to get the ball out before Jj can get to him. Most of his passes in week 14 were out of his hand in less than 2.5 seconds. He's not looking for the deep route, he's looking for his first read, if it's open, he takes it.

[ThaShark316]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

Yeah, you can look at it that way.

But I'm sure it's situational, and it's not like he was just trying to get the ball out of his hands. He said he was aware of their pass rush. If his first read was open, he took it. The other routes just didn't develop.

Totally different from hurrying a throw.

Brady does it better, but it's the same thing Brady is doing that allows him to get the ball out before Jj can get to him. Most of his passes in week 14 were out of his hand in less than 2.5 seconds. He's not looking for the deep route, he's looking for his first read, if it's open, he takes it.

QBs that wants to basically win the Super Bowl with one play every down damn near don't win a thing.

Look at Peyton Manning 99-04 or so. Manning wanted the down field throws a ton. That would work in the regular season, and maybe in the wild card/divisional round, but when the Pats came calling; done. Those down field throws weren't open. The short pass/1st read? Forget 'em.

That, to me, explains Tony Romo's (and Schaub sometimes, too) problem. That 1st read that's open, it's OK to take it. Down-field ain't always the greatest option.

[klockWork]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

Yeah, you can look at it that way.

But I'm sure it's situational, and it's not like he was just trying to get the ball out of his hands. He said he was aware of their pass rush. If his first read was open, he took it. The other routes just didn't develop.

Totally different from hurrying a throw.

That Casey route is a safety valve route, "Break glass in case of emergency". That is not a throw you make if no one is open kind of route. The only reason a QB would throw that pass if there is an instant breach in pass protection.

THAT is not a throw of a QB checking down because his receiver aren't open. THAT is a hurry throw by a panicked QB.

Schaub is a head case right now. It's like David Carr is the lone tenant up there.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by klockWork

That Casey route is a safety valve route, "Break glass in case of emergency". That is not a throw you make if no one is open kind of route. The only reason a QB would throw that pass if there is an instant breach in pass protection.

THAT is not a throw of a QB checking down because his receiver aren't open. THAT is a hurry throw by a panicked QB.

Schaub is a head case right now. It's like David Carr is the lone tenant up there.

If you say so.

I'll try to find the picture, it's posted in one of these threads. Everyone else was still running their routes, Casey was the only one looking for the ball. Which is why it was intercepted, the ball should have been on it's way before he turned....

But that short route definitely developed a lot faster than the deep route. I know that's a "strange" concept... but that's what happened.

If you're going to contend that Schaub had happy feet & just wanted the ball out of his hand.... I'm just going to have to concede the point.

Here's a link to a bunch of Texans' podcast, listen to what Matt says, listen to what Kubiak says... Walter is in there somewhere, Duane Brown is in there. Listen to what they say about their game plan & their QB.

[Premier]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

clearly, then, you must have even a lower opinion of Andy Dalton... sucks to be Cincinnati and stuck with that loser for the next several years.

that loser has gotten his bengals in the playoffs in his first 2 seasons. unfortunately for him... texans>bengals.. really though, whats your purpose of calling dalton a loser. he has some pretty good tools, quite mobile, strong arm, his ceiling is probably 7-10 range right with the joe flaccos, matt ryans, tony romos, and matt shcuabs of the qb world..

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Premier

that loser has gotten his bengals in the playoffs in his first 2 seasons. unfortunately for him... texans>bengals.. really though, whats your purpose of calling dalton a loser. he has some pretty good tools, quite mobile, strong arm, his ceiling is probably 7-10 range right with the joe flaccos, matt ryans, tony romos, and matt shcuabs of the qb world..

it was sarcasm, intended to point out an absurd argument.

[GlenRice]

He is not a winner. Always chokes under pressure.

[panamamyers]

It's hilarious that there are people that didn't see this four years ago.
He has always been horrible and never has been capable of leading anyone to anything. Heck we were in this game at the half despite his atrocious play in the first half. Arian and Manning are the only reasons this is close. We could have Arian take a direct snap at qb every down and be closer than we are now.

[ATXtexanfan]

Started a thread in 2010, yet I keep digging it up

Originally Posted by Nitrofish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpsfaYvm_W4

[LikeMike]

Matt is a good QB... But not a very good competitor. He doesn't elevate his game when the big lights are on and he always tries to play it smart, or lets all it conservative. Schaub is not the guy who carries his team - but someone who can help his team.

If we can upgrade, sure, but its gonna be hard to find a franchise QB out there...

[GlenRice]

Shaub throws 6 yards, 5 yards, 7 yards

Brady throws 30 yard bomb. Touchdown!

[Mr. Texan]

so who do ya'll like in the draft?

preferably someone with a big arm and 4.5 speed.

[TexansFight]

Trade for Matt Flynn. Schaub is done. We are so limited with him

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by TexansFight

Trade for Matt Flynn. Schaub is done. We are so limited with him

Now, now, you know ol' Texecutioner is gonna come in here and lecture you on what a bad move that would be if you keep up that kind of posting. Don't you know that replacing Matt Schaub with anyone but Tom Brady or Peyton Manning would just be a lateral move and waste of time?