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Old 01-09-2013   #61
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Message to anyone who is just now noticing this: Congratulations on coming out of your coma! After more than 6 years we were worried about you!
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but kubiak is an offensive GURU!!!!!!

lets see how many people deny this.
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Now, remember that I never said that the Texans are good enough in the RZ.

All I was saying is that it wasn't mainly because of Schaub.

We didn't convert 12 times with the runs vs 8 times with the pass.
We had more penalties than the average of the league in the RZ.
We didn't protect The QB as well as we did outside of the RZ; we lacked the league average there by a good margin, especially considering the number of pass attempts.

Now if you ask me about some 10-15 yards outside the RZ (a drive can stall there and we had to settle for FG) then I haven't studied that yet so I can't tell you.
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An article from the Patriots board.

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On offense, Kubiak runs an extremely predictable offense that basically screams out “stop us if you can”. Well, the last time the Patriots played the Texans, they did just that by containing Arian Foster who really is the engine for there offense.

Foster ran for 46 yards against the Patriots with a 3.1 yards per carry average which is poor. The Patriots took away Foster, but Kubiak was stubborn in his play calling, and kept going to him.

Here is a perfect example of the Texans being predictable on offense. On five drives against the Patriots, Foster ran the ball on second down. In four of five of these drives, the Texans were forced to punt on fourth down. The Patriots did a great job of limiting yards on runs by Foster on second down.

I understand why Kubiak runs on second down, because he is trying to set up a short third down conversion. The problem with this philosophy is that it is conservative and predictable. If I can figure out what is coming on second down, I am sure Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is ready for a run from Foster.


I still think it's silly. Just because it's a run on second down means you know where we are going & how we're going to block it. James Casey & Ben Jones surprised the crap out of a couple of Bengals who thought they were about to make a tackle for a loss.
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I still think it's silly. Just because it's a run on second down means you know where we are going & how we're going to block it. James Casey & Ben Jones surprisned the crap out of a couple of Bengals who thought they were about to make a tackle for a loss.
It's always silly to take a small sample and call it predictable.
I've already said that the Texans had a few more passes than the Pats on second and third downs through the course of a 16-game season. (First half stats)
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Where's Schaub supposed to go but the middle of the field to Walter? Atkins brought the heavy pressure, forcing Schaub to step up in the pocket and get rid of the ball. I think he was looking to get the ball to either AJ in the end zone or OD at the marker on the same sideline but Atkins blew that play up, which didn't allow enough time for those routes to develop. OD ran his route inside, then planted his foot to go back to the sideline but didn't have enough time to separate from the LB coverage.
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but kubiak is an offensive GURU!!!!!!

lets see how many people deny this.
And you ma'am continue to troll!!
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This is Garys team. He put it together.

Gary runs the offense, It's the offenses job to score points/TD's. For the last 6 weeks the offense has failed to score points, Gary has failed them. Hopefully this changes on Sunday. If they dont score atleast 27/30 pts the Texans will probably lose.

Here's to hoping Gary has fixed some of the offenses problems.
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I still think it's silly. Just because it's a run on second down means you know where we are going & how we're going to block it. James Casey & Ben Jones surprised the crap out of a couple of Bengals who thought they were about to make a tackle for a loss.
And BTW, I just went back to check.
With Schaub in there, the Texans called 7 pass plays and 10 run plays (Tate and Forsett each had one.) I may be off a hair with a couple of drinks already, so don't take it as a gospel, LOL.
Foster scored on a one-yard run.
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Here's to hoping Gary has fixed some of the offenses problems.
Well if it includes celebatory drinks, no???
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Where's Schaub supposed to go but the middle of the field to Walter? Atkins brought the heavy pressure, forcing Schaub to step up in the pocket and get rid of the ball. I think he was looking to get the ball to either AJ in the end zone or OD at the marker on the same sideline but Atkins blew that play up, which didn't allow enough time for those routes to develop. OD ran his route inside, then planted his foot to go back to the sideline but didn't have enough time to separate from the LB coverage.
Three great posts in a row, but I'm afraid it's wasted. These folks minds are made up and no amount of 'facts' are gonna change it.

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This is Garys team. He put it together.

Gary runs the offense, It's the offenses job to score points/TD's. For the last 6 weeks the offense has failed to score points, Gary has failed them. Hopefully this changes on Sunday. If they dont score atleast 27/30 pts the Texans will probably lose.

Here's to hoping Gary has fixed some of the offenses problems.
Again, I may be off here, but this is my count of all the games Brady started and lost.

The points scored by the Pats includes ST and defensive score.

They lost 29 times when scoring 17 points and fewer,
5 times when they scored 20, 3 times when they scored 21, and 9 times when they scored more than 21.

This is against all different NFL defenses, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

What do you think we need to hold them to in order to have a chance at winning the game?
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This is Garys team. He put it together.

Gary runs the offense, It's the offenses job to score points/TD's. For the last 6 weeks the offense has failed to score points, Gary has failed them. Hopefully this changes on Sunday. If they dont score atleast 27/30 pts the Texans will probably lose.

Here's to hoping Gary has fixed some of the offenses problems.
I generally agree. However, it is important to note that Kubiak isn't obsessed with offense. He uses his knowledge/skill as an offensive guru to compensate for deficit in talent. The Texans are chalked full of expensive first round draft picks on defense, while the offense has continued get the job done with mid and late round picks (plus AJ). This season, they let go of the right side of the offensive line... The combination of those oline struggles and a lack of explosive talent at WR2/WR3 causes a lot of trouble when the team is forced into passing situations. I expect this will be addressed in the off-season.

For now, guys are going to have to make plays and thread a needle if we are going to win on Sunday.
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Kubiak needs to attack Pats because that defense they possess can be took advantage of. Texans have the players and need to make it happen.
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Well if it includes celebatory drinks, no???
If they win I will buy the 1st round.

BTW, is somebody getting a watch party together at Bubbas?
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This is Garys team. He put it together.

Gary runs the offense, It's the offenses job to score points/TD's. For the last 6 weeks the offense has failed to score points, Gary has failed them. Hopefully this changes on Sunday. If they dont score atleast 27/30 pts the Texans will probably lose.

Here's to hoping Gary has fixed some of the offenses problems.
Technically, he's the head coach. His job is to win games, win the division, win in the play-offs, & win the Super Bowl. He's doing a pretty good job so far. Not perfect, but pretty good.

Only one team won more games in the AFC. We are the AFC South Champs two years running. We've already won in the Wild Card round again. Things are not looking good for us, we've got our work cut out for us. But what's that saying?

Something about running the horse that brung ya.
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Like I said in a previous post, it just seems like to me we haven't been able to run effectively on the early downs and that's whats causing us problems. Play action on 1st down in the red zone would probably be the best plan of action but for some we've been forced into a lot of 3rd and long situations once we get down into the red zone and that's where we've been struggling from what I can see.

Once we get inside the 20 it almost seems like a given we're going to run on first down. When you only get 1 or 2 yards there it throws us off. I'd just love to see us try to get even a short pass on first down to set up the run once we get down there. I'm only going based on memory, but thats what I see. Its not what we do that needs to change in my view. Just when and how we do it.
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I generally agree. However, it is important to note that Kubiak isn't obsessed with offense. He uses his knowledge/skill as an offensive guru to compensate for deficit in talent.
The Texans have 6 Pro Bowlers on offense. Twice as many as the Patriots and the same number of 1st round picks starting (2). Talent is not an excuse. It's game planning and execution that is keeping the Texans out of the end zone.
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Like I said in a previous post, it just seems like to me we haven't been able to run effectively on the early downs and that's whats causing us problems. Play action on 1st down in the red zone would probably be the best plan of action but for some we've been forced into a lot of 3rd and long situations once we get down into the red zone and that's where we've been struggling from what I can see.

Once we get inside the 20 it almost seems like a given we're going to run on first down. When you only get 1 or 2 yards there it throws us off. I'd just love to see us try to get even a short pass on first down to set up the run once we get down there. I'm only going based on memory, but thats what I see. Its not what we do that needs to change in my view. Just when and how we do it.
From the Minnesota game:
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3rd qtr 5:43
  • 2nd and 10 at MIN 25
    M.Schaub pass short left to A.Johnson to MIN 11 for 14 yards (H.Smith) [C.Greenway].
  • 1st and 10 at MIN 11
    M.Schaub sacked at MIN 13 for -2 yards (J.Allen).
  • 2nd and 12 at MIN 13
    M.Schaub pass short middle to K.Walter to MIN 1 for 12 yards (H.Smith).
  • 1st and 1 at MIN 1
    M.Schaub pass incomplete short left to O.Daniels.
  • 2nd and 1 at MIN 1
    B.Tate up the middle to MIN 1 for no gain (K.Williams).
  • 3rd and 1 at MIN 1
    M.Schaub sacked at MIN 15 for -14 yards (F.Evans).
  • 4th and 15 at MIN 15
    S.Graham 33 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Weeks, Holder-D.Jone
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  • 3rd and 7 at IND 26
    (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass incomplete deep left to A.Johnson. PENALTY on IND-V.Davis, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at IND 26 - No Play.
  • 1st and 10 at IND 21
    (Run formation) M.Schaub pass short right to J.Casey to IND 13 for 8 yards (C.Vaughn).
  • 2nd and 2 at IND 13
    (Run formation) A.Foster left tackle for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
From our Cincinnati game
This one is tricky, depends on how strict your definition of Red Zone is. 1st down starts at the 24, but the first play from the 22 yard line is a pass.
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  • 1st and 10 at CIN 24
    Arian Foster rush over left tackle for 2 yards to the CINCINNATI 22, tackled by Dan Skuta.
  • 2nd and 8 at CIN 22
    Matt Schaub pass complete to Owen Daniels for 7 yards to the CINCINNATI 15, tackled by Vontaze Burfict.
  • 3rd and 1 at CIN 15
    Arian Foster rush over left guard for 4 yards to the CINCINNATI 11, tackled by Nate Clements for a 1ST down.
  • 1st and 10 at CIN 11
    Arian Foster rush over left guard for 1 yard to the CINCINNATI 10, tackled by Geno Atkins and Robert Geathers.
  • 2nd and 9 at CIN 10
    Matt Schaub pass complete to Owen Daniels for 6 yards to the CINCINNATI 4, tackled by Reggie Nelson.
    Timeout HOUSTON TEXANS, clock 2:27.
  • 3rd and 3 at CIN 4
    Matt Schaub pass incomplete to Andre Johnson.
Here, a pass play gets us into the Red Zone, the first play in the red zone is a run, but surely you aren't suggesting we change our approach here right?
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  • 1st and 10 at CIN 27
    Matt Schaub pass complete to Andre Johnson for 22 yards to the CINCINNATI 5, tackled by Adam Jones for a 1ST down.
  • 1st and 0 at CIN 5
    Arian Foster rush up the middle for 1 yard to the CINCINNATI 4, tackled by Michael Johnson.
  • 2nd and 0 at CIN 1
    Arian Foster rush over left guard for 1 yard for a TOUCHDOWN.
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3:06
  • 3rd and 4 at CIN 20
    Matt Schaub pass complete to Owen Daniels for 11 yards to the CINCINNATI 9, tackled by Nate Clements and Reggie Nelson for a 1ST down.
  • 1st and 0 at CIN 9
    Arian Foster rush over left guard for 1 yard to the CINCINNATI 18, tackled by Domata Peko, HOUSTON penalty 10 yard Holding on Brandon Brooks accepted.
  • 1st and 0 at CIN 18
    Matt Schaub pass incomplete to Kevin Walter, broken up by Terence Newman.
  • 2nd and 0 at CIN 18
    Arian Foster rush over left tackle for 7 yards to the CINCINNATI 11, tackled by Rey Maualuga.
  • 3rd and 0 at CIN 11
    Matt Schaub pass complete to Arian Foster for 5 yards to the CINCINNATI 6, tackled by Reggie Nelson.
  • 4th and 0 at CIN 6
    Shayne Graham 24 yard field goal GOOD.
So, I don't know if what is actually happening conducive with what you remember. As soon as we get to the red zone... sometimes we throw the ball. Sometimes on 1st down inside the red zone.... we pass. I don't see the "predictability"

He's calling the game just like you want.
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Pretty much..in 1 instance they're getting mad when throws it deep to someone who's not really open & it gets intercepted (walter in the 1st NE game) and say "he should've checked it down to foster he was wide open!!!"

Then in another instance, these same folks are getting mad b/c he's checking down too much and just taking what the defense gives him.."they need to throw it deep, but they won't b/c schaub's arm is pathethic!!!"

Then when faced with visual evidence as to why Schaub is doing what he's doing at times....noone has anything to say about it...par for the course around here.

Here is the key to whether or not schaub goes deep or not...zone vs. man. That's it..period. When teams run zone against us, he can have a field day b/c the WR's are finding holes in the secondary and aren't neccessarily being held by any 1 person and there's plenty of room to make throws. When they run man, he struggles at times & has to check it down alot largly b/c the WR's can't separate. In the NE game and in the GB game those teams ran a ton of man against us. In the NE game in particular i remember Mike Mayock going crazy about the fact Talib was singling up on AJ and was getting away with it. The colts did it as well. Of course Schaub's ability to zip it has some bearing on that, but not much in my opinion b/c you don't want your qb's making tight throws like that too much anyway, regardless of their arm strength...It's the WR's more than anything. teams just feel that player for player, our WR's can't beat their cb's 1 on 1.
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The Texans have 6 Pro Bowlers on offense. Twice as many as the Patriots and the same number of 1st round picks starting (2). Talent is not an excuse. It's game planning and execution that is keeping the Texans out of the end zone.
Planning, execution, plus lack of team speed at the skill positions. Also, swap Brady for Schaub and the Texans may win this one.
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Basically, we just need to execute better.

One stat that I notice is that Schaub is fairly consistent no matter where in the RZ.

The running game is a different story.
We were most successful from the 3 yd line in.

Maybe Gary can call more pass plays between the 7 and 4 yard line.
Do more of what we do well.

But, you know as well as I do that historical stats may not hold true in the future.

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