Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs

[infantrycak]

OK folks, knock off the personal chatter. It's been covered. No need for more back and forth.

[Texan_Touchdown]

My List goes I would take.

T. Brady
P. Manning
A. Rogers
D. Brees
E. Manning
B. Rothlesberger

and the rest I can't tell you. Matt Schuab is down there some where with Flacco.

[JCTexan]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

You got on me for including last year then you went back to 2010? That makes no sense.

Schaub has benefitted from a better running game, better WR and a better defense, yet Flacco has more wins.

This doesn't make sense. You say Schaub has benefitted from a better defense? The only way that's true is if we're talking about the past two years and the Ravens & Texans had similar defenses last year (both gave up the same amount of yards & points per game).

Saying "Flacco just wins" over Schaub only makes sense if we're going beyond the past two years. Schaub wasn't a participant in the playoffs and both teams were at 7-3 when Schaub got injured. This year Houston was 12-4 entering the playoffs and Baltimore 10-6. Last year the Ravens went 12-4 and Houston was 10-6.

If you want to go further into the past (2010?) then I can understand you saying Flacco just wins, though you would have to eliminate the "Schaub benefitting from a better running game, better defense, etc." comment.

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

You got on me for including last year then you went back to 2010? That makes no sense.

Schaub has benefitted from a better running game, better WR and a better defense, yet Flacco has more wins.

Schaub has only had a better defense the past couple of years.

QBs don't win games, teams do. If our defense had been better over the course of Schaub's career, he'd have more wins than Flacco. Over the past 2 years when Schaub has actually had a defense he could rely on, he's had more wins than Flacco.

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

i'll take 'What is "I'm in the wrong category?" for $800, Alec'

The question was "Re: Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs ?"

I made it big so you could see it....

Not in the wrong category at all. Flacco is not as good of a QB as Schaub therefore I rank Matt higher than Flacco.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by JCTexan

This doesn't make sense. You say Schaub has benefitted from a better defense? The only way that's true is if we're talking about the past two years and the Ravens & Texans had similar defenses last year (both gave up the same amount of yards & points per game).

Saying "Flacco just wins" over Schaub only makes sense if we're going beyond the past two years. Schaub wasn't a participant in the playoffs and both teams were at 7-3 when Schaub got injured. This year Houston was 12-4 entering the playoffs and Baltimore 10-6. Last year the Ravens went 12-4 and Houston was 10-6.

If you want to go further into the past (2010?) then I can understand you saying Flacco just wins, though you would have to eliminate the "Schaub benefitting from a better running game, better defense, etc." comment.

So Schaub started all 16 games last year?

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

Schaub has only had a better defense the past couple of years.

QBs don't win games, teams do. If our defense had been better over the course of Schaub's career, he'd have more wins than Flacco. Over the past 2 years when Schaub has actually had a defense he could rely on, he's had more wins than Flacco.

Wrong answer- Schaub 19 wins Flacco 22 Wins + 2 more in playoffs

[Fred]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Wrong answer- Schaub 19 wins Flacco 22 Wins + 2 more in playoffs

If you play it that way, over the last two years, Schaub 7 losses ( none in playoffs), Flacco 10 losses (+1 in playoffs).

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

Not in the wrong category at all. Flacco is not as good of a QB as Schaub therefore I rank Matt higher than Flacco.

Playoffs, not regular season. You used regular season stats. Not post season.

Schaub was shaky last weekend.

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by Fred

If you play it that way, over the last two years, Schaub 7 losses ( none in playoffs), Flacco 10 losses (+1 in playoffs).

With 8 more chances to do so. Flacco hasn't missed a start in his career- 5 years now.

[JCTexan]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

So Schaub started all 16 games last year?

No. Both the Texans & Ravens were 7-3 when Schaub got injured.

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Wrong answer- Schaub 19 wins Flacco 22 Wins + 2 more in playoffs

During this period Flacco only has one more playoff win than Schaub, which ironically came against the Texans. Both teams have the same amount of playoff victories the past two years.

Originally Posted by handswarmer

With 8 more chances to do so. Flacco hasn't missed a start in his career- 5 years now.

Ok? So you're willing to mention Flacco's wins during the period Schaub got injured but not his losses? It works both ways...

[Dread-Head]

Joe Flacco is the bottom of the barrel. Matt Schaub is that thin film of slime that forms just ABOVE that. NEITHER will get into the hall of fame unless they're driving around in Ohio and get lost.

[imatexan]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

With 8 more chances to do so. Flacco hasn't missed a start in his career- 5 years now.

He hasn't missed a start but he sure has "missed plenty of starts by being on the field and not showing up.

Schaub>Flacco.

Not a great indicator but there is a reason for Matts better stats and pro bowl appearances.

[Dutchrudder]

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[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

Texans fans: My turd is shinier than yours!
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Ravens fans: Yeah huh!
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Hey.......




that's elite turd.

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

Playoffs, not regular season. You used regular season stats. Not post season.

Schaub was shaky last weekend.

You want to bring up Flacco's post season stats? Really? How many games has he thrown for under 200 yards in the playoffs?

[handswarmer]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

You want to bring up Flacco's post season stats? Really? How many games has he thrown for under 200 yards in the playoffs?

200 yds is the benchmark? Really?

Who has more wins? He's 6-4. Blah blah blah about the defense and running game....Schaub had that in NE earlier this year and look what happened.

Last year Playoffs in NE- Flacco was 22-36 61.1% for 306 2TD 1INT
This year Reg Sea n NE- Schaub was 19-32 59% for 232 0TD 1INT

And go back and look at the defenses that Flacco has played against in the playoffs.

[gafftop]

I hope Flacco shows us he is ELITE this weekend.

I want another HOME Playoff game.

[Javi]

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Rodgers
4. Ryan
5. Wilson
6. Kapernick
7. Flacco
8. Schaub

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by handswarmer

200 yds is the benchmark? Really?

Who has more wins? He's 6-4. Blah blah blah about the defense and running game....Schaub had that in NE earlier this year and look what happened.

Last year Playoffs in NE- Flacco was 22-36 61.1% for 306 2TD 1INT
This year Reg Sea n NE- Schaub was 19-32 59% for 232 0TD 1INT

And go back and look at the defenses that Flacco has played against in the playoffs.

If you consistently throw for less than 200 yards per game, you suck as a QB. Flacco has played in 10 playoff games. He's thrown for over 200 yards in 3 of them. He averages 180 yards per playoff game.

Just pulling a name out of the air... Chad Pennington. He was an OK QB in his day and his day wasn't too long ago. He averaged just over 230 yards per game in the playoffs. He was not a great QB.

Like I said earlier in the thread, Flacco has all the tools to be a great QB except for the stuff between his ears and the stuff in his heart. If you hit him a couple of times, he starts getting inaccurate and he starts making bad decisions. Flacco is like Sanchez with an arm.

Going into the playoffs if I had to choose between Schaub and Flacco, I'd take Schaub. Schaub's going to complete a higher percentage of passes and he's going to make better reads.