Coons mock 2.0

[coon]

Originally Posted by beerlover

I made Kenny Vaccaro my first round pick for the Texans too in my last mock, so props for knowing the position & how it fits within framework of Phillips interchangeable safety framework. He is an upgrade over Quin & Manning plus can play both positions.

Kinda fell for Hunt in his bowl game myself. Would like more exposure to more tape & verify what I saw actually was @ the same level & if it was then I would have no problem taking him off the board.

I think Rodgers will be snapped up somewhere in the 2nd rd. Would be top WR if not for academics & off field issue.

Not a big fan of Brown but like position targeted. Think he is better suited in a 4-3 playing Will.

Wagner would be a steal in the 4th. I think his stock improved after Wisconsin bowl game.

Again remember Texans are selected end of every round so a 4th is like a 5th & a 5th is like a th. Slay here would be a tremendous value.

Florida State is littered with NFL talent on both lines & the secondary. I have to question their coaching & ability to play together as a team. With all the talent they don't take a back seat to any team, not even Alabama. That said with all that talent sometimes its hard to tell how well they stand out if not surrounded by such elite talent? That said I would probably push for his teammate Everett Dawkins, he's a little more polished & quicker with that high Seminole motor.

You could go Seminole again with Lonnie Pryor?

I was wondering when someone would mention Goodwin? Dudes got some wheels & we do need special teams help. I like him.

You will be blown away at times, and frustrated at times with Hunt. I am an SMU alum, and watch all of their games. Hunt is an athlete unlike anyone else other than maybe Mario Williams. There are very few 6'8 280 lb guys i would even suggest playing at OLB. He is very raw, I believe he has been playing football for something like 6 years. Like i said though, if Wade coaches him up, it would be like replacing Mario with a Estonian Mario Clone with a better motor.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by WolverineFan

Speaking of FSU.....

Their RT Menelik Watson is going pro. He's a kid from England who has only played football for 2 years. This past year was his first as a starter (I think) and he played very well. FSU fans are distraught that he's leaving so I take it they think he's pretty good.

Haven't had a chance to look at him yet but just passing along an FYI since we need a RT. Might be someone you want to take a look at.

Oh yeah I noticed him but didn't expect him to come out either, this is excellent news. First round talent maybe 2nd rd. grade based on his current development.

[ralph]

Originally Posted by WolverineFan

Speaking of FSU.....

Their RT Menelik Watson is going pro. He's a kid from England who has only played football for 2 years. This past year was his first as a starter (I think) and he played very well. FSU fans are distraught that he's leaving so I take it they think he's pretty good.

Haven't had a chance to look at him yet but just passing along an FYI since we need a RT. Might be someone you want to take a look at.

He needs another year in college but his ceiling is very high. Great athlete. Probably leaving to help his family in Manchester. We'll miss him.

[ralph]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Oh yeah I noticed him but didn't expect him to come out either, this is excellent news. First round talent maybe 2nd rd. grade based on his current development.

Definitely not going to go in the 2nd. No way.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by ralph

Definitely not going to go in the 2nd. No way.

Why not? he is already rated in 2nd -3rd rd. range (Rob Rang) so if you simply average it out he is either a late 2nd (where Texans select) or early third. You yourself who follow him said "ceiling is very high" & he's a "Great athlete". While I have not watched him that much just on raw ability alone he impressed the heck out of me. I would spend a late 2nd on him & let him battle Newton for starting RT duties. On or the other could be the swing tackle. Solid value all around.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by ralph

Definitely not going to go in the 2nd. No way.

Agreed,

From what little I've seem of Watson, he wont go until the 3rd/4th rd. IMHO With that said Give me a guy like Long in the 2nd if he's there.

Long has just as much ability, but will be able to play a significant role next yr and is a perfect fit for the ZBS. Not to mention the family genes


another guy that just entered the draft that might make a good ZBS OL is David Bahktiari. He seems like a prospect in the Watson mold but maybe a little more polished.

[beerlover]

differences in opinion are natural in this process if everyone agreed then what would be the attraction?

I've had discussions where I stand in stark contrast to my draft brothers even those I trust & count on for feedback the most.

So I guess here is another one. Menelik Watson, is 6060 320, which is similar size to Duane Brown but a little taller, who reportedly can run the forty yard dash not only under 5.0 seconds (Duane Brown ran 5.09) but 4.7 seconds. Initially a very respected scouting service also had Duane Brown graded Fourth/Fifth round. Certainly we have learned something?

I understand fans discouragement when young, talented, football players leave early for the NFL but it is their body, their future, their family which can derail even the perfect timeline & best of projections. I think if Mr. Watson had stayed for his senior year @ FSU he had a chance to be one of the top tackles & certain lock to go in the first round, at least that would be my advise.

Like I said would need to see more game film but he sure looks like he could not only be elite RT but could play LT as well. Texans war room now has one more viable option to consider in any effort to upgrade their OL.

[badboy]

Drafting an O Lineman or WR2 will allow team to bring them along; not so with ILB. IMO, we pretty much need a starter regardless where we get him.

[ralph]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Why not? he is already rated in 2nd -3rd rd. range (Rob Rang) so if you simply average it out he is either a late 2nd (where Texans select) or early third. You yourself who follow him said "ceiling is very high" & he's a "Great athlete". While I have not watched him that much just on raw ability alone he impressed the heck out of me. I would spend a late 2nd on him & let him battle Newton for starting RT duties. On or the other could be the swing tackle. Solid value all around.

I'm not saying we shouldn't draft him. I'd love to get him. I just think we can get him later in the draft.