[Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Runner

Parcels. Belichick. Walsh. Landry. Kubiak.

Sorry for the interruption. I agree with the point you two are making, but this grouping made me laugh.

It does sound funny now.

But, those HoF coaches did not start off that way. I'm sure there were Cowboys fans calling for Landry's head after he was given a ten-year extension before ever having a winning season. Heck, Landry went 18-46 in his first five seasons with the Cowboys, including a winless season.

Walsh was widely considered to be a horrible HC pick when the 49ers hired him, coming from a college background and fans hated it.

Heck, Belichick was slammed hard after his gig with the Browns (which really wasn't that bad if not for Modell's moving the team during a season). But I remember when the Patriots got him and the national media was criticizing the decision hard.

Obviously, Kubiak has a long way to go before he can truly be mentioned in that circle, but any coach we get will most likely have the same uphill battle (unless we get some tired re-tread, no thank you Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, etc.).

I'm far from a Kubiak-homer, but truth be told, he's got this team in the playoffs and that's what we really wanted just a couple of seasons ago. I'm going to stop and smell the roses at this point. Going into week 2 of the NFL post-season with a team still active is fantastic, even if our team is a gigantic underdog to this decade's dynasty franchise.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

It does sound funny now.

But, those HoF coaches did not start off that way. I'm sure there were Cowboys fans calling for Landry's head after he was given a ten-year extension before ever having a winning season. Heck, Landry went 18-46 in his first five seasons with the Cowboys, including a winless season.

Walsh was widely considered to be a horrible HC pick when the 49ers hired him, coming from a college background and fans hated it.

Heck, Belichick was slammed hard after his gig with the Browns (which really wasn't that bad if not for Modell's moving the team during a season). But I remember when the Patriots got him and the national media was criticizing the decision hard.

Obviously, Kubiak has a long way to go before he can truly be mentioned in that circle, but any coach we get will most likely have the same uphill battle (unless we get some tired re-tread, no thank you Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, etc.).

I'm far from a Kubiak-homer, but truth be told, he's got this team in the playoffs and that's what we really wanted just a couple of seasons ago. I'm going to stop and smell the roses at this point. Going into week 2 of the NFL post-season with a team still active is fantastic, even if our team is a gigantic underdog to this decade's dynasty franchise.

I agree with that. Begrudgingly.

I agree most with the last two paragraphs.

(1) I don't want ANY of the available just-fired coaches. I think Marvin Lewis might be on his way out, too. Don't think for one second that the Bengals ownership is keen on losing to Gary Kubiak in the opening round of the playoffs two years in a row.

(2) Yeah, the Patriots are the Patriots. A decade+ dynasty team that one day will be without its all-universe QB. So that is what it is.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

My main issue with Kubiak has become him having no imagination when it comes to getting the ball into his playmaker's hands & utilizing all the talent he has at his disposal. He's not creative enough.

The reverse to Martin last week is a play that we should've been running to utilize his speed and playmaking ability.

we should be targeting Posey more on those deep comeback routes where he showed excellent separation and hands.

I love AJ, but its clear by watching him that he's lost a step..so why not run that bubble screen that we throw to AJ at least twice per game, to Martin and get him in space....it could be just like a punt/KO return...which is where he's been for weeks now & he's nearly broke a few too.

You guys want more throws past 10 yards? Get all your speed guys on the field so at least there's a viable threat that someone other than AJ can take the top of the defense. I think this is as much of a problem as anything. Walter & Daniels/Graham's deep speed scare noone...so the defense is just sitting on the short stuff & sitting a safety over the top of AJ.

You gotta utilize all your tools and get the defense to think....at least a little bit.

Agree whole-heartedly here, too.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by GP

Agreed.

I got suckered into thinking a 12-1 record, which followed our best year in 2011, was somehow a sign that Kubiak was growing. Only in the loss to the Patriots did I realize that he hasn't grown. He's just faced teams who crumble faster than HIS does.

That's football. That's what it boils down to. Once you get a talented team, once you've got good coaches.. this is what it comes down to.

You are absolutely right, & that is a very astute observation.

Remember when people were calling the Texans "soft" even though we had the best offensive line in the league & one of the more physical defenses? This is what they were talking about.

The Texans were soft & against Greenbay & New England, they showed they are still soft in comparison.

We didn't even put up a fight. We went fetal (figuratively of course). That's got to change.

Those guys that want Cowher for head-coach, that is what they are wanting the team to adopt from their coach. That's what the Jets got from Ryan, that's what the 49ers get from Harbaugh. The Jets have showed that they're just punks. Found a bigger bully & laid down.... but, the point is the same.

Right now, we punk the little kids. The freshmen. We run & hide when the Seniors show up. We need to (figuratively) put those lettermans back on & give the Patriots the double 1 finger salute.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

It does sound funny now.

Absolutely correct, but nobody's saying Gary is those coaches, they're saying he's from the Walsh tree, and he's simply trying to utilizing the strategies developed over the course of that tree's existence.

And at least it's the Walsh coaching tree. Keep in mind that somebody's coaching tree includes the likes of Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, and Charlie Weiss.

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

Absolutely correct, but nobody's saying Gary is those coaches, they're saying he's from the Walsh tree, and he's simply trying to utilizing the strategies developed over the course of that tree's existence.

And at least it's the Walsh coaching tree. Keep in mind that somebody's coaching tree includes the likes of Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, and Charlie Weiss.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

Absolutely correct, but nobody's saying Gary is those coaches, they're saying he's from the Walsh tree, and he's simply trying to utilizing the strategies developed over the course of that tree's existence.

And at least it's the Walsh coaching tree. Keep in mind that somebody's coaching tree includes the likes of Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, and Charlie Weiss.

Ultimately, that would be the modern coaching tree of one Bill Parcells.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Ultimately, that would be the modern coaching tree of one Bill Parcells.

Yeah, except Tuna's tree also includes Belichick himself, Tom Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

Parcells was actually a pretty average coach without Belichick on his staff, but he's done a better job of putting out head coaches than the hoodie has.

[Dread-Head]

We NEED a Quarterback.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

Yeah, except Tuna's tree also includes Belichick himself, Tom Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

Parcells was actually a pretty average coach without Belichick on his staff, but he's done a better job of putting out head coaches than the hoodie has.

yep. But like the Belichick branches you mentioned that never directly worked for Parcells, Kubiak is the same for the Walsh tree. He never worked directly for Walsh, but instead worked under some of his coaches.



Belichick's coaching tree is certainly not as impressive with multiple SB wins, but he's got a pretty good tree if you include his Cleveland Brown days.

[qqert]

Originally Posted by Fiddler

What I'd like to see is Kubiak use Walter more like a third TE than a WR. Use whatever combination he'd like at #2 WR, Posey (my favorite) or Martin, & Jean as his Andre breather. /snip

one things for sure, we can't go back up to NE with same game plan we've used.
because belicheck's figured it out and our offense got STUFFED big time the last trip!