Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-07-2013   #61
Double Barrel
Modified Simian
 
Double Barrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Onward, Upward, and back into the Trees
Section: Gridiron, Tx
Age: 48
Posts: 31,096
Rep Power: 340250 Double Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by Runner View Post
Parcels. Belichick. Walsh. Landry. Kubiak.

Sorry for the interruption. I agree with the point you two are making, but this grouping made me laugh.
It does sound funny now.

But, those HoF coaches did not start off that way. I'm sure there were Cowboys fans calling for Landry's head after he was given a ten-year extension before ever having a winning season. Heck, Landry went 18-46 in his first five seasons with the Cowboys, including a winless season.

Walsh was widely considered to be a horrible HC pick when the 49ers hired him, coming from a college background and fans hated it.

Heck, Belichick was slammed hard after his gig with the Browns (which really wasn't that bad if not for Modell's moving the team during a season). But I remember when the Patriots got him and the national media was criticizing the decision hard.

Obviously, Kubiak has a long way to go before he can truly be mentioned in that circle, but any coach we get will most likely have the same uphill battle (unless we get some tired re-tread, no thank you Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, etc.).

I'm far from a Kubiak-homer, but truth be told, he's got this team in the playoffs and that's what we really wanted just a couple of seasons ago. I'm going to stop and smell the roses at this point. Going into week 2 of the NFL post-season with a team still active is fantastic, even if our team is a gigantic underdog to this decade's dynasty franchise.
__________________
"Football is only a diversion." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS
Double Barrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #62
GP 
Go Texans!
 
GP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: TEXAS!
Posts: 17,747
Rep Power: 50777 GP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by Double Barrel View Post
It does sound funny now.

But, those HoF coaches did not start off that way. I'm sure there were Cowboys fans calling for Landry's head after he was given a ten-year extension before ever having a winning season. Heck, Landry went 18-46 in his first five seasons with the Cowboys, including a winless season.

Walsh was widely considered to be a horrible HC pick when the 49ers hired him, coming from a college background and fans hated it.

Heck, Belichick was slammed hard after his gig with the Browns (which really wasn't that bad if not for Modell's moving the team during a season). But I remember when the Patriots got him and the national media was criticizing the decision hard.

Obviously, Kubiak has a long way to go before he can truly be mentioned in that circle, but any coach we get will most likely have the same uphill battle (unless we get some tired re-tread, no thank you Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, Norv Turner, etc.).

I'm far from a Kubiak-homer, but truth be told, he's got this team in the playoffs and that's what we really wanted just a couple of seasons ago. I'm going to stop and smell the roses at this point. Going into week 2 of the NFL post-season with a team still active is fantastic, even if our team is a gigantic underdog to this decade's dynasty franchise.
I agree with that. Begrudgingly.

I agree most with the last two paragraphs.

(1) I don't want ANY of the available just-fired coaches. I think Marvin Lewis might be on his way out, too. Don't think for one second that the Bengals ownership is keen on losing to Gary Kubiak in the opening round of the playoffs two years in a row.

(2) Yeah, the Patriots are the Patriots. A decade+ dynasty team that one day will be without its all-universe QB. So that is what it is.
__________________
GP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #63
GP 
Go Texans!
 
GP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: TEXAS!
Posts: 17,747
Rep Power: 50777 GP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr teX View Post
My main issue with Kubiak has become him having no imagination when it comes to getting the ball into his playmaker's hands & utilizing all the talent he has at his disposal. He's not creative enough.

The reverse to Martin last week is a play that we should've been running to utilize his speed and playmaking ability.

we should be targeting Posey more on those deep comeback routes where he showed excellent separation and hands.

I love AJ, but its clear by watching him that he's lost a step..so why not run that bubble screen that we throw to AJ at least twice per game, to Martin and get him in space....it could be just like a punt/KO return...which is where he's been for weeks now & he's nearly broke a few too.

You guys want more throws past 10 yards? Get all your speed guys on the field so at least there's a viable threat that someone other than AJ can take the top of the defense. I think this is as much of a problem as anything. Walter & Daniels/Graham's deep speed scare noone...so the defense is just sitting on the short stuff & sitting a safety over the top of AJ.

You gotta utilize all your tools and get the defense to think....at least a little bit.
Agree whole-heartedly here, too.
__________________
GP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #64
thunderkyss 
& so it begins
 
thunderkyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
Age: 42
Posts: 34,967
Rep Power: 263559 thunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to thunderkyss
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by GP View Post
Agreed.

I got suckered into thinking a 12-1 record, which followed our best year in 2011, was somehow a sign that Kubiak was growing. Only in the loss to the Patriots did I realize that he hasn't grown. He's just faced teams who crumble faster than HIS does.
That's football. That's what it boils down to. Once you get a talented team, once you've got good coaches.. this is what it comes down to.

You are absolutely right, & that is a very astute observation.

Remember when people were calling the Texans "soft" even though we had the best offensive line in the league & one of the more physical defenses? This is what they were talking about.

The Texans were soft & against Greenbay & New England, they showed they are still soft in comparison.

We didn't even put up a fight. We went fetal (figuratively of course). That's got to change.

Those guys that want Cowher for head-coach, that is what they are wanting the team to adopt from their coach. That's what the Jets got from Ryan, that's what the 49ers get from Harbaugh. The Jets have showed that they're just punks. Found a bigger bully & laid down.... but, the point is the same.

Right now, we punk the little kids. The freshmen. We run & hide when the Seniors show up. We need to (figuratively) put those lettermans back on & give the Patriots the double 1 finger salute.
__________________
thunderkyss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #65
ChampionTexan
Site Contributor
 
ChampionTexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,091
Rep Power: 90172 ChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by Double Barrel View Post
It does sound funny now.
Absolutely correct, but nobody's saying Gary is those coaches, they're saying he's from the Walsh tree, and he's simply trying to utilizing the strategies developed over the course of that tree's existence.

And at least it's the Walsh coaching tree. Keep in mind that somebody's coaching tree includes the likes of Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, and Charlie Weiss.
__________________
Being a D-bag and being factually correct are not in any way mutually exclusive!
ChampionTexan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #66
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
 
Mr teX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Everyone Wants The Throne
Posts: 7,868
Rep Power: 103388 Mr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respectedMr teX is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChampionTexan View Post
Absolutely correct, but nobody's saying Gary is those coaches, they're saying he's from the Walsh tree, and he's simply trying to utilizing the strategies developed over the course of that tree's existence.

And at least it's the Walsh coaching tree. Keep in mind that somebody's coaching tree includes the likes of Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, and Charlie Weiss.
Mr teX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #67
Double Barrel
Modified Simian
 
Double Barrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Onward, Upward, and back into the Trees
Section: Gridiron, Tx
Age: 48
Posts: 31,096
Rep Power: 340250 Double Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChampionTexan View Post
Absolutely correct, but nobody's saying Gary is those coaches, they're saying he's from the Walsh tree, and he's simply trying to utilizing the strategies developed over the course of that tree's existence.

And at least it's the Walsh coaching tree. Keep in mind that somebody's coaching tree includes the likes of Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, and Charlie Weiss.
Ultimately, that would be the modern coaching tree of one Bill Parcells.
__________________
"Football is only a diversion." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS
Double Barrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #68
ChampionTexan
Site Contributor
 
ChampionTexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,091
Rep Power: 90172 ChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedChampionTexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by Double Barrel View Post
Ultimately, that would be the modern coaching tree of one Bill Parcells.
Yeah, except Tuna's tree also includes Belichick himself, Tom Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

Parcells was actually a pretty average coach without Belichick on his staff, but he's done a better job of putting out head coaches than the hoodie has.
__________________
Being a D-bag and being factually correct are not in any way mutually exclusive!
ChampionTexan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #69
Dread-Head
Hall of Fame
 
Dread-Head's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Houston Texas baby!
Age: 44
Posts: 14,545
Rep Power: 140315 Dread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respectedDread-Head is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

We NEED a Quarterback.
__________________
"Why attack a man for his race or religion when there are so many other PERFECTLY good reasons?" :Dreademiah 2:16 Dread-Head. Texan from DAY ONE & PROUD Honorary Blue Crew member..."Damn it Bill!"
Dread-Head is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #70
Double Barrel
Modified Simian
 
Double Barrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Onward, Upward, and back into the Trees
Section: Gridiron, Tx
Age: 48
Posts: 31,096
Rep Power: 340250 Double Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChampionTexan View Post
Yeah, except Tuna's tree also includes Belichick himself, Tom Coughlin, and Sean Payton.

Parcells was actually a pretty average coach without Belichick on his staff, but he's done a better job of putting out head coaches than the hoodie has.
yep. But like the Belichick branches you mentioned that never directly worked for Parcells, Kubiak is the same for the Walsh tree. He never worked directly for Walsh, but instead worked under some of his coaches.



Belichick's coaching tree is certainly not as impressive with multiple SB wins, but he's got a pretty good tree if you include his Cleveland Brown days.
__________________
"Football is only a diversion." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS
Double Barrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013   #71
qqert
All Pro
 
qqert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Pearland, Texas
Posts: 504
Rep Power: 19780 qqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respectedqqert is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: [Foxsports] Kubiak needs to get it together after ugly win

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddler View Post
What I'd like to see is Kubiak use Walter more like a third TE than a WR. Use whatever combination he'd like at #2 WR, Posey (my favorite) or Martin, & Jean as his Andre breather. /snip
one things for sure, we can't go back up to NE with same game plan we've used.
because belicheck's figured it out and our offense got STUFFED big time the last trip!
qqert is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger