All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by mussop

SERIOUSLY? Schaub won a big game today. Thats what you are going to go with? Our run game was good today and our defense was great. Take either of those away and this was a loss.

Mr. dink and dunk didn't do anything other than manage the game. He is what he is, a good game manager and below average QB who plays in a system that is being ran to mask his inabilities. This important playoff game clearly showed that.

Do you remember how many long pass plays Schaub had against the Broncos?

And they are one of the better defense in the league, too.

You can only get what the defense give you.
And if they give you 39 minutes of possession time, you take it!

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by Big Lou

I said it before, this offense plays well when OD, and the OL play well. With out the AJ drop it would havebeen 23 not 19.

And if Green wouldn't have dropped the EZ pass, they would have beaten us.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Do you remember how many long pass plays Schaub had against the Broncos?

And they are one of the better defense in the league, too.

You can only get what the defense give you.
And if they give you 39 minutes of possession time, you take it!

It says Lot that you have to go all the way back to the Denver game to find an example of a long pass.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by mussop

It says Lot that you have to go all the way back to the Denver game to find an example of a long pass.

No, I went back to the Broncos game because they are a team I thought as having a good defense.

You ought to know that Schaub leads the league the last 3 years or more in deep play action passes by a large margin over the next QB. It was shown during one of our games.

[76Texan]

During the off-season, I had posted a link to advancednflstats.com where they showed that Schaub was at some 21.6% in deep pass attempt as compared to some 17.8% for Brady last year.

Brees' number (17.5%) was even lower than Brady's.

[76Texan]

In 2010, the percentage of deep pass attempts for Schaub, Brady, and Brees were as followed: 16.9%, 14.6%, and 16.3%

[klockWork]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

And if Green wouldn't have dropped the EZ pass, they would have beaten us.

Or if Dalton hadn't overthrew Green in the end zone late. This was a game that the Texans dominated at all facets of the game accept the QB position but the game was within striking distance for the Bungles at all times.

Schaub hasn't been touch all day and had a good running game to protect him but still only managed 1 TD drive. Anybody that thinks Schaub led as to this victory is delusional. Even Sanchez couldn't lose this game with our team.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by klockWork

Or if Dalton hadn't overthrew Green in the end zone late. This was a game that the Texans dominated at all facets of the game accept the QB position but the game was within striking distance for the Bungles at all times.

Schaub hasn't been touch all day and had a good running game to protect him but still only managed 1 TD drive. Anybody that thinks Schaub led as to this victory is delusional. Even Sanchez couldn't lose this game with our team.

If Schaub didn't overthrow AJ deep along the sideline, he might have had a TD threre.

If AJ caught the ball in the endzone, he would have had a TD there, what's your point?

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by klockWork

Or if Dalton hadn't overthrew Green in the end zone late. This was a game that the Texans dominated at all facets of the game accept the QB position but the game was within striking distance for the Bungles at all times.

Schaub hasn't been touch all day and had a good running game to protect him but still only managed 1 TD drive. Anybody that thinks Schaub led as to this victory is delusional. Even Sanchez couldn't lose this game with our team.

Don't see anyone stating that Schaub led this team to victory or that he was the big reason why we won, but he only had like two bad plays to me.

I don't know man, maybe I've just always understood Schaub for what he was and a lot of you guys thought he was borderline elite or something. Schaub's play right now isn't that surprising to me, but he made some real good plays on 3rd down today at least. I won't ever expect Schaub to carry this team to victory. I expect the team to carry Schaub more, but for Schaub to carry them sometimes (but not often). We're a defensive run first team. That's who we are. Expecting Schaub to be any different then what he's always been isn't really fair to expect it NOW. We just need for him not to make INT's or fumbles and to be able to make some TD passes in the RZ.

[Mr teX]

Cincy's gameplan was to take away all the deep stuff.....which basically meant that they were taking away AJ b/c he's the only 1 going deep for us...Mike mayock pointed it out during the game, and if you paid ANY attention in the game, AJ had a safety over the top of him CONSTANTLY.

Schaub did exactly what he should've done...take what they gave him and matriculate the ball down the field. why that is somehow such a bad thing to some i have no idea.

The pick 6 he threw, he'd thrown similar passes at least twice before that and they were all completed....they just went the well too many times it was just a great play by hall....casey fading back instead of coming back to the ball didn't exactly help either...

The missed TD to AJ...not sure why people put that on Schaub either...AJ was able to get both hands on it and it was put right where it needed to be...out in front away from the defender...AJ's gotta separate from the defender better and run thru that...Schaub also had a defender obstructing his throwing lane and had to fall back/slide a little to get the ball out......which threw off the timing a little too.

I really do wonder if some of u watch the games or not.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

He did his part; he gets paid half the amount Brady and Peyton receive.

So Schaub would play better if he was paid more? Are you his agent?

Originally Posted by Goodwrench3

Schaub played well today. Interception was just unlucky.

No, I guess you are his agent.

[klockWork]

Originally Posted by Mr teX

The pick 6 he threw, he'd thrown similar passes at least twice before that and they were all completed....they just went the well too many times it was just a great play by hall....casey fading back instead of coming back to the ball didn't exactly help either...

The missed TD to AJ...not sure why people put that on Schaub either...AJ was able to get both hands on it and it was put right where it needed to be...out in front away from the defender...AJ's gotta separate from the defender better and run thru that...Schaub also had a defender obstructing his throwing lane and had to fall back/slide a little to get the ball out......which threw off the timing a little too.

I really do wonder if some of u watch the games or not.

You expect someone as big as Casey running an out toward the sideline to stop on a dime change gear and run toward the pass? Yeah right.
And I don't know why so many people thought AJ drop that pass in the endzone. It was a slightly overthrown pass just out of reach out of AJ finger tips. AJ was jam early and had trouble getting out the break which probably cause the overthrown pass since it was a timing route. I didn't really blame Schaub on that throw and I DEFINETLY don't blame AJ on that "drop".

[Texecutioner]

Originally Posted by klockWork

You expect someone as big as Casey running an out toward the sideline to stop on a dime change gear and run toward the pass? Yeah right.
And I don't know why so many people thought AJ drop that pass in the endzone. It was a slightly overthrown pass just out of reach out of AJ finger tips. AJ was jam early and had trouble getting out the break which probably cause the overthrown pass since it was a timing route. I didn't really blame Schaub on that throw and I DEFINETLY don't blame AJ on that "drop".

Pretty much how I saw it. Bad throw by Schaub, but AJ should have caught it. It's the playoffs and you've got to bring that one in. But Schaub has to make those easy throws.

[klockWork]

Originally Posted by Goodwrench3

Schaub played well today. Interception was just unlucky.

HA HA! Interception was unlucky? Did the ball hit a bird in midair and bounce into Leon hands?

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Lucky

So Schaub would play better if he was paid more? Are you his agent?

No, I guess you are his agent.

Every team has a salary cap at around $121M.

If you spend $20M plus for the top QBs, you have less to pay other "good" players.

It's your choice on how to build a team; sometimes the timing isn't there for you to get a top-notch QB.

Why is it that it's so difficult to understand?

[badboy]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

He did his part; he gets paid half the amount Brady and Peyton receive.

uh..

Schaub 5 years $66.15 m 2012 $4 m base + $17.5 m bonus = $21.5 m
Brady 5 years $78.5 m 2012 base $950,00 + $11.8 m bonus = $12.5 m (apprx)
Manning 5 years $96 m 2012 base $18 m no bonus. If he passes 2013 physical his '13 & '14 base of $30 m total is guaranteed & if on roster end of years 3 & 4 his next year is guaranteed.

[legacy_gt]

you can talk mess all you want about schaub but he played his game today managing and getting the win. bengals score only 6 from offense. dalton was the one confused and couldn't convert on 3rd down.

kubiak plays conservative and doesn't take chances to rack up points.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by badboy

uh..

Schaub 5 years $66.15 m 2012 $4 m base + $17.5 m bonus = $21.5 m
Brady 5 years $78.5 m 2012 base $950,00 + $11.8 m bonus = $12.5 m (apprx)
Manning 5 years $96 m 2012 base $18 m no bonus. If he passes 2013 physical his '13 & '14 base of $30 m total is guaranteed & if on roster end of years 3 & 4 his next year is guaranteed.

Spotrac shows Manning salary at 18 this year and 20 next year.
If 2013 physical is passed, $40 million guaranteed.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/yearly/

Brady restructured his contract some way, such that the next 2 years, his salary will be at 21.8
He also has some form of extra bonus like Schaub.
On top of that, he received a $10.8M bonus to restructure his contract.

Also, if you look at Schaub's contract, there are some bonus he has to earn (not the sigining bonus)

[76Texan]

Also, due to the Manning situation, the Broncos will be up against the cap next year when they need to resign Clady and Porter.

Salary is one thing, but the cap hit also figures heavily in how you can manage your team roster.

[gtexan02]

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger

And if Green wouldn't have dropped the EZ pass, they would have beaten us.

What easy drop? The one where he was sandwiched between kj and Joseph? He never had a shot at that ball. Dalton threw into double coverage and our d was perfect. Either kj OR Joseph were in perfect position and could have been enough. The two together made it impossible.