Saturday is a Referendum of Matt Schaub and Gary Kubiak's Careers Here in Houston

[Mr teX]

ehh..not likely. the most likely scenario is that we win, Schaub plays just "ok" and Kubiak doesn't stray too far from what he's been doing all year.

- People backing Schaub will use it as proof that he can take us to where we want to go.........................without considering all the variables involved..

Schaub haters will just wait until we play NE where everything says that we'll probably lose..Then they'll pounce......without considering all the variables involved.

& then we're right back to where we are now....so it's hardly a referendum..

[b0ng]

I seriously doubt Schaubiak skepticism will die down much, if at all, after this game. Even if we are playing again next weekend.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by buddyboy

For all that's been made of how QBs, or even teams as a whole perform in the playoffs, the success of players like Rogers and Brady to the failures of players like Matt Ryan, this is the FIRST time Kubiak and Schaub have been to the playoffs.

To say all the referendums and statement games have been played is inaccurate; this is the game Houston hasn't seen yet. If they fall flat on their faces, we'll know for sure. Who cares if we ended the season flat? If they come out on fire in the playoffs and make a deep playoff run (or even go SB?), who here will really say that the regular season games are the referendum, NOT the playoff games?

this right here.

whatever happens in this game, nothing will happen to kubiak and schaub. if joe marciano has sucked his entire time here as special teams coach, im pretty sure nothing will happen to McNair's good old houston boys kubiak and schaub after coming off a 12-4 season.

what this game will prove however as ive stated in my OP to those who disagree is that people's opinions whichever side of the fence you are on in regards to the two in question....

will be validated.

Schaub's entire legacy and his future legacy, the narrative will come from this game.

[Jules Winnfield]

nfl.com saying the same thing:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...hange-legacies

[Wolf6151]

It's put up or shut up time for Kubiak and Schaub. Everybody is healthy and we're at home, there's no excuses. No where for him to hide.

[DX-TEX]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

It's put up or shut up time for Kubiak and Schaub. Everybody is healthy and we're at home, there's no excuses. No where for him to hide.

He has no ILB's. Excuse confirmed!

Oh and Arian will forgive him

[Uncle Rico]

didnt we just have 2 of the very same games that the OP is talking about back to back?

[Surreal McCoy]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Sick of 12 win seasons and pro bowl QBs already?

Don't you know the 12 wins were a mirage and the Pro Bowl QB only got there because it's a popularity contest.

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

didnt we just have 2 of the very same games that the OP is talking about back to back?

matt schaub played back to back playoff games already?

[Uncle Rico]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

matt schaub played back to back playoff games already?

were they not as important?

[Jules Winnfield]

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

were they not as important?

smdh....

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by Runner

Last year's regular season ending wasn't "disappointing" to me, given the serious injury issues with players such as Schaub and Dre.

As far as "twisting it so it's only a referendum if they lose", I believe I was clear that it wasn't a referendum at all, one way or the other:

"I don't think the Bengal's game means a thing to Kubiak's future here".

I would say my words were the ones twisted to meet an agenda, but since it sounds like you were looking for something from the "anti-Kubes/Schaub brigade" my post fit your needs. People also might note that I haven't blamed anything on Schaub this season, so I don't fit in that broad brush stroke either.

no you said it doesnt mean a thing.... cos he lost all those biggest games in franchise history.... in the reg season.... during that 12-4 season

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

were they not as important?

in the overall scheme of things... not rly. it wouldve been nice to get the bye but which will tell us more about schaub as our qb going forward- had he played awesome and we'd won v the vikes & colts (2 overachieving, middling non contenders imo) and then lost v NE with him playing crappy.. or if he played poor in the reg season and plays well in the playoffs? schaub's problems has never rly been those middling teams (which is why the severe doubts have emerged after those 2 disappointments) it been v the elite teams in the big stage

[Uncle Rico]

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

smdh....

[Uncle Rico]

Originally Posted by Maddict5

no you said it doesnt mean a thing.... cos he lost all those biggest games in franchise history.... in the reg season.... during that 12-4 season



in the overall scheme of things... not rly. it wouldve been nice to get the bye but which will tell us more about schaub as our qb going forward- had he played awesome and we'd won v the vikes & colts (2 overachieving, middling non contenders imo) and then lost v NE with him playing crappy.. or if he played poor in the reg season and plays well in the playoffs? schaub's problems has never rly been those middling teams (which is why the severe doubts have emerged after those 2 disappointments) it been v the elite teams in the big stage

i just find it hard to believe that schaub is going to somehow 'flip the switch' tomorrow. he's been under the same mental pressure for a while now and he's folding under the weight these last 2 games were HUGE, and to downplay their significance and how much harder the path was made is a travesty. i get the whole 'rah rah rah ... pump up the fans' emotion, im just being a bit more cautiously optimistic i suppose. i've been here before with the columbia blue.

[Norg]

yeah i think thats what will happen Schaub will beat cincy and that will get him another pass 4 a year

and instead of taking a risk in drafting or spending money on a new QB we try to upgrade another postion on the offensive

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

didnt we just have 2 of the very same games that the OP is talking about back to back?

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

matt schaub played back to back playoff games already?

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

were they not as important?

Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield

smdh....

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

Alright, let's just calm down, take a deep breath and relax.

The solution to this is easy. If we lose the game tomorrow, all you have to do is set up a poll (Which game did Matt prove that he sucked in) and I'm sure your difference of opinion will then be settled.

[Showtime100]

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

Alright, let's just calm down, take a deep breath and relax.

The solution to this is easy. If we lose the game tomorrow, all you have to do is set up a poll (Which game did Matt prove that he sucked in) and I'm sure your difference of opinion will then be settled.

Should be 19 choices in the poll. Weeks 1-17 (bye week included), vs Cincy, and all of the above.

[Wolf6151]

Originally Posted by DX-TEX

He has no ILB's. Excuse confirmed!

Oh and Arian will forgive him

My statement was in reference to Schaub being healthy, Kubiak has no excuses for the Offense. I should have been more clear.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Surreal McCoy

Don't you know the 12 wins were a mirage and the Pro Bowl QB only got there because it's a popularity contest.

Do you think that Gary and Schaub can bring a Lombardi to Houston?

If the answer is no then it's time to move on.

If the answer is yes how long do you think it will take?

Remember Matt is 31 and is playing on a bum foot that is likely to only get worse with age.

[Premier]

Originally Posted by Surreal McCoy

And yet another Texan fan hoping we lose. FFS

where did i say i hope we lose, genius? i said if were going to lose i would prefer it be the 1st round and not the inevitble loss in the 2nd round because hopefully it would get the wheels churning on getting rid of schaub..

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Sick of 12 win seasons and pro bowl QBs already?

12 win seasons? no.. ive been sick of mediocre skilled qbs who need shut down defenses to stumble into 12 wins in a patty cake division.. qbs who cant make a play once the system that built them breaks down... lol at the pro bowl, really, an all-star game?? FOH